Kmanrox/Moses/Rehab Dollars Ripped Us Off For $2400 - GoFuckYourself.com

TurboAngel · 01-01-2010, 09:09 AM

As many of you know, our house caught on fire a few days before Christmas (thread|news article). We were living in a hotel for almost a week while we scrambled to find a new home. During that time we were in contact with Moses and Kmanrox from Rehab Dollars about a series of missing payments. After a couple days of them giving us the runaround they stopped replying to us altogether. We just heard back from them three days ago. They gave us a number of bullshit excuses as to why they could not release the payments to us. They was saying that all the signups that we have ever sent them were all with female names and similar logins. That is not even possible considering that we have different traffic coming from different sources at different times to a single landing page that has links to a bunch of celebrity sites from a number of celebrity sponsors, and they ALL pay - except for Rehab Dollars.

We're not talking about just a couple bucks here either. We have earned $2400 worth of signups over the last month and a half with them and we have not seen a single penny from them.

It's been a hard time for us lately, between our house burning down, having to live in a hotel, and having to deal with a shady sponsor that has just been stringing us along, milking us for signups, for a month and a half, with no intention of ever paying us - and all this going down over the holidays.

After getting vague promises about us getting a payout from them and them saying that they just needed to talk with someone before they issued payment and that everything was probably not going to be a problem, all communication ceased. Our ICQs and emails went unanswered. Just last night we gave an ultimatum to Kmanrox on ICQ and guess what - he responded! The next thing we know Kmanrox started a smear thread about Turboface because he knew that we were going to start this thread about him ripping us off! LOL

If I really was 'carding' wouldn't it make sense to use guys names and random logins? LOL This bullshit story of yours doesn't hold water, Kman. It's just a lame excuse to steal our money and you are not going to get away with it, we promise.

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 09:12 AM

you should use male and female names and vary the logins next time. chalk it up as a lesson learned.

Brujah · 01-01-2010, 09:15 AM

I think you're lying. Show me your long birth certificate proving you're a naturalized US citizen.

Nicky · 01-01-2010, 09:22 AM

I have nothing but good things to say about Rehab Dollars. On time payments and the guy's will hook you up with all sorts of things needed to send (legitimate)joins.

MrBottomTooth · 01-01-2010, 09:23 AM

I can't tell who is lying.

i40.tinypic.com/otojuq.gif

(I also can't post links or pictures yet.)

Babaganoosh · 01-01-2010, 09:23 AM

Let me guess, in the TOS it doesn't specifically say that carding isn't allowed? I've seen that defense work once around here.

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 09:25 AM

where there is smoke, there is fire, as the old saying goes.

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 09:44 AM

'Agent 488', you were on this thread like you were waiting for it. You seem a little too pissed off to be just a random troll. Who are you? KMan - is that you?

datatank · 01-01-2010, 09:46 AM

None of my biz but its very easy for Kman to allow a TRUSTED 3rd party member of this forum to login to nats and make screen shots to prove what he is saying is true

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by datatank

None of my biz but its very easy for Kman to allow a TRUSTED 3rd party member of this forum to login to nats and make screen shots to prove what he is saying is true

That would be great, but that's not going to happen. You know why? Because he is full of shit.

RayBonga · 01-01-2010, 09:58 AM

2010 drama...

Va2k · 01-01-2010, 11:20 AM

Damn man

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 11:20 AM

I am letting the entire adult webmaster community about these assholes. From posting about this on the other boards, some people have come up with some interesting points.

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Yeah, this is becoming a common thing now. It's sad.

I'd like to believe this is because of issues with the economy and not shady programs. Then again, wasn't there a lot of drama with Kmanrox and he had to flee the country or something?

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I have never seen carders sending that kind of traffic consistently, something is not adding up.

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I would not expect anything less from a company such as rehab dollars, they use stolen celeb images to profit from, they are basically like the old days of usenet scraping and selling memberships.

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Yea that would be one stupid carder. I'm thinking if a hacker got hold of a list with only female credit card holders he would do something else with it then hit porn sites.

That excuse = Fail!

Hope they pay up.

Iron Fist · 01-01-2010, 11:28 AM

1:431 is a very good ratio...

Fat Panda · 01-01-2010, 11:35 AM

from the stats screenshot its seems unlikely you are 'carding' - I will watch how this develops and may add rehabdollars to my personal list of programs that do not pay....

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 11:37 AM

carders often send traffic to cover their traces so that doesn't mean anything.

digitaldivas · 01-01-2010, 11:54 AM

Thats a shame, i was thinking about adding http://www.celebfeetonly.com. I will see how this goes

brassmonkey · 01-01-2010, 12:00 PM

no comment

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

from the stats screenshot its seems unlikely you are 'carding' - I will watch how this develops and may add rehabdollars to my personal list of programs that do not pay....

My ICQ is lit up like a Christmas tree! Many of the people I am talking to are echoing what you said. People are pulling links and adding Rehab Dollars to their non-paying sponsor lists.

If any of you guys wanted to get in touch with me, my ICQ is 433-583-136

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 12:06 PM

where you sending traffic from?

LeRoy · 01-01-2010, 12:34 PM

Drama lama 2010

Female signups are normally fraud tho? How are you generating traffic? Lets see the lander

candyflip · 01-01-2010, 12:35 PM

Sounds like bullshit to me and I hope you guys get it straightened out. But...I wouldn't bank on getting your money.

fris · 01-01-2010, 12:37 PM

send it to the fraud squad

The Ghost · 01-01-2010, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

from the stats screenshot its seems unlikely you are 'carding' - I will watch how this develops and may add rehabdollars to my personal list of programs that do not pay....

How do you figure? Those stats only show traffic and sales. Not saying it's the case here but PLENTY of carders can bring in traffic numbers to make sales appear legit. Even traffic from sources that appear to be from the same niche.

Seeing the referral urls would be more helpful. But even with that if the patterns are there for fraud signups there not much more to be said about it.

To the OP, do you have other programs that you work closely with that will vouch for your traffic and methods?

TheDA · 01-01-2010, 12:45 PM

I remember when that Jens Van Assterdam was accused of copying a design for one of his sites from someone else.

When you actually looked below the surface it was a K-Man that was actually linked with the 'copied' design.

That's enough to trigger a warning from me.

I'd always try to avoid associating myself with people that copy/steal shit and the people they work for or with where appropriate.

rhizome · 01-01-2010, 01:08 PM

That sucks, $2400 would have made a nice down payment on a new trailer.

fris · 01-01-2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by rhizome

That sucks, $2400 would have made a nice down payment on a new trailer.

fatfoo · 01-01-2010, 01:47 PM

Ripped off for $2400. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who gets ripped off like that.

On topic of loans - I'm never giving out big loans again - too risky.

TurboAngel · 01-01-2010, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SAC

from the stats screenshot its seems unlikely you are 'carding' - I will watch how this develops and may add rehabdollars to my personal list of programs that do not pay....

Thanks......

seeric · 01-01-2010, 05:17 PM

FYI,
The ONLY program that you can promote Kim Kardashian through is Vivid Cash.

We have never licensed her content to any other celebrity program, nor will we ever allow another program to license it.

There is an aggressive campaign underway that is yielding shocking results that other programs are lying to affiliates and telling them that they can promote Kim K's sex tape through their program. It is a complete lie and they are in fact getting affiliates into legal troubles.

If you are told that you can promote Kim Kardashians sex tape released by Vivid through another program, you are flat out being lied to.

THis message will be posted in every celebrity cash program thread until it stops. Not going to get into WHO is telling people this for the moment.

2010 will be aggressively enforced even harder than 2009 was.

Happy New Year to all.

Please report any of this activity to us. Any documented evidence will assist us in burying some dirtbags.

Thanks.

TurboAngel · 01-01-2010, 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Brujah

I think you're lying. Show me your long birth certificate proving you're a naturalized US citizen.

BigDeanEvans · 01-01-2010, 08:03 PM

Where is Kmans Proof? Are the CC's stolen??

kmanrox · 01-01-2010, 08:06 PM

the original thread posted 10-12 hours before this one;

https://gfy.com/it/946152-turboface-scammer.html

I guess turboscam figured he'd go fishing for more favorable support in this own thread... tadow!

TurboAngel · 01-01-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by BigDeanEvans

Where is Kmans Proof? Are the CC's stolen??

Good question.

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kmanrox

the original thread posted 10-12 hours before this one;

https://gfy.com/it/946152-turboface-scammer.html

I guess turboscam figured he'd go fishing for more favorable support in this own thread... tadow!

Hey asshole, glad you and your fake nick 'Agent 488' could make it here again. The beans spilled in here that you are also 'Jens Van Assterdam', who I know very well. You are the troll that has been attacking me for years on here.

Listen up shithead. I am not playing around here. You will pay us every cent of the money that you are trying to steal from us or I will haunt you in every thread from here until the end of fucking time.

Pay up asshole.

kmanrox · 01-01-2010, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turboface

Hey asshole, glad you and your fake nick 'Agent 488' could make it here again. The beans spilled in here that you are also 'Jens Van Assterdam', who I know very well. You are the troll that has been attacking me for years on here.

Listen up shithead. I am not playing around here. You will pay us every cent of the money that you are trying to steal from us or I will haunt you in every thread from here until the end of fucking time.

Pay up asshole.

As you can see on the other thread. Why do you pretend to have a house burn down when your info in NATS show Canada?

You're not even good at what you do. You card then extort like digital mafia? Put the crack stem down dude.

Barefootsies · 01-01-2010, 08:32 PM

dav3 · 01-01-2010, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seeric

FYI,
The ONLY program that you can promote Kim Kardashian through is Vivid Cash.

We have never licensed her content to any other celebrity program, nor will we ever allow another program to license it.

There is an aggressive campaign underway that is yielding shocking results that other programs are lying to affiliates and telling them that they can promote Kim K's sex tape through their program. It is a complete lie and they are in fact getting affiliates into legal troubles.

If you are told that you can promote Kim Kardashians sex tape released by Vivid through another program, you are flat out being lied to.

THis message will be posted in every celebrity cash program thread until it stops. Not going to get into WHO is telling people this for the moment.

2010 will be aggressively enforced even harder than 2009 was.

Happy New Year to all.

Please report any of this activity to us. Any documented evidence will assist us in burying some dirtbags.

Thanks.

fris · 01-01-2010, 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turboface

Hey asshole, glad you and your fake nick 'Agent 488' could make it here again. The beans spilled in here that you are also 'Jens Van Assterdam', who I know very well. You are the troll that has been attacking me for years on here.

Listen up shithead. I am not playing around here. You will pay us every cent of the money that you are trying to steal from us or I will haunt you in every thread from here until the end of fucking time.

Pay up asshole.

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 10:12 PM

this is what happens when the crack runs out.

bizarre schemes. desperate measures. delusional thining.

AdPatron · 01-01-2010, 10:12 PM

Another reason to have programs pay your first for your traffic.

Mutt · 01-01-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kmanrox

As you can see on the other thread. Why do you pretend to have a house burn down when your info in NATS show Canada?

there are other shady reasons they could be using a Canadian payee on their account - possibly tax reasons. Canadian webmasters don't get their earnings from American companies reported to the government via 1099 form. Maybe they have a Canadian relative/friend who receives and cashes their checks and sends them cash.

kmanrox · 01-01-2010, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by JoesTraffic

Another reason to have programs pay your first for your traffic.

amen... another reason why programs pay out after they have time to check for fraud.

Spunky · 01-01-2010, 11:09 PM

Hope it gets worked out.sucks especially when you need it right now

kmanrox · 01-01-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Spunky

Hope it gets worked out.sucks especially when you need it right now

there's nothing to work out.. 3 different levels of anti-fraud measures and accounting had to put a stop on his payments... i didnt even learn of this smalltime punk's desperatate attempt at scamming some money from us until he hit me up on ICQ...

i've been doing this biz since before turboscam even knew what a computer was and chances are i'll still be here when he's sleeping in the dirt wondering how to make some fast cash.... edit: he's already doing that... i change my remark to 'when the internet cafe he logs in from now in between imaginary shelters closes to faux hobos'.

Agent 488 · 01-01-2010, 11:18 PM

no program has ever detailed the methods carders and scammers use in order not to give fuckers ideas.

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 11:20 PM

I love how ignorant and arrogant KMan is in all his posts.

Continue pulling your links people! Hit me up on ICQ if you want to talk.

kmanrox · 01-01-2010, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turboface

Continue pulling your links people! Hit me up on ICQ if you want to talk.

your delusions are awe inspiring

Turboface · 01-01-2010, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kmanrox

your delusions are awe inspiring

No yours are.

How do you honestly expect to maintain an affiliate program with me on your back until you pay us what you owe us?

kmanrox · 01-01-2010, 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turboface

No yours is.

How do you honestly expect to maintain an affiliate program with me on your back until you pay us what you owe us?

easily.. you keep bumping the threads others will see that attempts to scam RD and endanger payments of our other affiliates are futile... how you will you live the winter in canada in the streets?

01-01-2010, 09:09 AM	#1
TurboAngel H.B.I.C. Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: NC Posts: 30,101	Kmanrox/Moses/Rehab Dollars Ripped Us Off For $2400 As many of you know, our house caught on fire a few days before Christmas (thread\|news article). We were living in a hotel for almost a week while we scrambled to find a new home. During that time we were in contact with Moses and Kmanrox from Rehab Dollars about a series of missing payments. After a couple days of them giving us the runaround they stopped replying to us altogether. We just heard back from them three days ago. They gave us a number of bullshit excuses as to why they could not release the payments to us. They was saying that all the signups that we have ever sent them were all with female names and similar logins. That is not even possible considering that we have different traffic coming from different sources at different times to a single landing page that has links to a bunch of celebrity sites from a number of celebrity sponsors, and they ALL pay - except for Rehab Dollars. We're not talking about just a couple bucks here either. We have earned $2400 worth of signups over the last month and a half with them and we have not seen a single penny from them. It's been a hard time for us lately, between our house burning down, having to live in a hotel, and having to deal with a shady sponsor that has just been stringing us along, milking us for signups, for a month and a half, with no intention of ever paying us - and all this going down over the holidays. After getting vague promises about us getting a payout from them and them saying that they just needed to talk with someone before they issued payment and that everything was probably not going to be a problem, all communication ceased. Our ICQs and emails went unanswered. Just last night we gave an ultimatum to Kmanrox on ICQ and guess what - he responded! The next thing we know Kmanrox started a smear thread about Turboface because he knew that we were going to start this thread about him ripping us off! LOL If I really was 'carding' wouldn't it make sense to use guys names and random logins? LOL This bullshit story of yours doesn't hold water, Kman. It's just a lame excuse to steal our money and you are not going to get away with it, we promise.

01-01-2010, 09:15 AM	#3
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01-01-2010, 09:22 AM	#4
Nicky Judge Jury and Executioner Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sweden Posts: 30,046	I have nothing but good things to say about Rehab Dollars. On time payments and the guy's will hook you up with all sorts of things needed to send (legitimate)joins. __________________ Hardlinks and blog posts available on a popular blog with DR 43 and over 3000 referring domains. gfynicky @ gmail.com

01-01-2010, 09:23 AM	#6
Babaganoosh ♥♥♥ Likes Hugs ♥♥♥ Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: /home Posts: 15,841	Let me guess, in the TOS it doesn't specifically say that carding isn't allowed? I've seen that defense work once around here. __________________ I like pie.

01-01-2010, 11:20 AM	#12
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01-01-2010, 09:12 AM	#2
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	you should use male and female names and vary the logins next time. chalk it up as a lesson learned.

01-01-2010, 09:23 AM	#5
MrBottomTooth Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,795	I can't tell who is lying. i40.tinypic.com/otojuq.gif (I also can't post links or pictures yet.)

01-01-2010, 09:25 AM	#7
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	where there is smoke, there is fire, as the old saying goes.

01-01-2010, 09:44 AM	#8
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	'Agent 488', you were on this thread like you were waiting for it. You seem a little too pissed off to be just a random troll. Who are you? KMan - is that you?

01-01-2010, 09:46 AM	#9
datatank Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: My dog is blacker than Tupac Posts: 5,471	None of my biz but its very easy for Kman to allow a TRUSTED 3rd party member of this forum to login to nats and make screen shots to prove what he is saying is true

01-01-2010, 09:58 AM	#11
RayBonga too cool for highschool Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: East side, West side, Worldwide! Posts: 12,164	2010 drama...

01-01-2010, 11:28 AM	#14
Iron Fist Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 23,400	1:431 is a very good ratio... __________________ i like waffles

01-01-2010, 11:35 AM	#15
Fat Panda Porn is Dead. Move along. Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 13,292	from the stats screenshot its seems unlikely you are 'carding' - I will watch how this develops and may add rehabdollars to my personal list of programs that do not pay....

01-01-2010, 11:37 AM	#16
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	carders often send traffic to cover their traces so that doesn't mean anything.

01-01-2010, 11:54 AM	#17
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01-01-2010, 12:00 PM	#18
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01-01-2010, 12:06 PM	#20
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	where you sending traffic from?

01-01-2010, 12:34 PM	#21
LeRoy Porn Pusher Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: It's a dry heat Posts: 13,213	Drama lama 2010 Female signups are normally fraud tho? How are you generating traffic? Lets see the lander __________________ JAPANESE CAMS AND CONTENT SITES Skype - leroy.rowland2

01-01-2010, 12:35 PM	#22
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01-01-2010, 12:37 PM	#23
fris Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 54,505	send it to the fraud squad __________________ Since 1999: 69 Adult Industry awards for Best Hosting Company and professional excellence. my contact: fris at fris.net

01-01-2010, 12:45 PM	#25
TheDA Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 4,665	I remember when that Jens Van Assterdam was accused of copying a design for one of his sites from someone else. When you actually looked below the surface it was a K-Man that was actually linked with the 'copied' design. That's enough to trigger a warning from me. I'd always try to avoid associating myself with people that copy/steal shit and the people they work for or with where appropriate.

01-01-2010, 01:08 PM	#26
rhizome Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Posts: 788	That sucks, $2400 would have made a nice down payment on a new trailer.

01-01-2010, 01:47 PM	#28
fatfoo ICQ:649699063 Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 27,763	Ripped off for $2400. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who gets ripped off like that. On topic of loans - I'm never giving out big loans again - too risky. __________________ Send me an email: [email protected]

01-01-2010, 05:17 PM	#30
seeric .......... Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: .......... Posts: 41,918	FYI, The ONLY program that you can promote Kim Kardashian through is Vivid Cash. We have never licensed her content to any other celebrity program, nor will we ever allow another program to license it. There is an aggressive campaign underway that is yielding shocking results that other programs are lying to affiliates and telling them that they can promote Kim K's sex tape through their program. It is a complete lie and they are in fact getting affiliates into legal troubles. If you are told that you can promote Kim Kardashians sex tape released by Vivid through another program, you are flat out being lied to. THis message will be posted in every celebrity cash program thread until it stops. Not going to get into WHO is telling people this for the moment. 2010 will be aggressively enforced even harder than 2009 was. Happy New Year to all. Please report any of this activity to us. Any documented evidence will assist us in burying some dirtbags. Thanks. Last edited by seeric; 01-01-2010 at 05:18 PM..

01-01-2010, 08:03 PM	#32
BigDeanEvans So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,368	Where is Kmans Proof? Are the CC's stolen??

01-01-2010, 08:06 PM	#33
kmanrox aka K-Man Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: The Gutter Posts: 29,272	the original thread posted 10-12 hours before this one; https://gfy.com/it/946152-turboface-scammer.html I guess turboscam figured he'd go fishing for more favorable support in this own thread... tadow! __________________ Crypto HODLr Crypto mining Angel investor

01-01-2010, 08:32 PM	#37
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01-01-2010, 10:12 PM	#40
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	this is what happens when the crack runs out. bizarre schemes. desperate measures. delusional thining.

01-01-2010, 10:12 PM	#41
AdPatron No commissions, no fees. Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: USA Posts: 17,706	Another reason to have programs pay your first for your traffic.

01-01-2010, 11:09 PM	#44
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01-01-2010, 11:18 PM	#46
Agent 488 Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 22,511	no program has ever detailed the methods carders and scammers use in order not to give fuckers ideas.

01-01-2010, 11:20 PM	#47
Turboface Back in Black Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,976	I love how ignorant and arrogant KMan is in all his posts. Continue pulling your links people! Hit me up on ICQ if you want to talk. __________________ Search Engine Optimization Services for Adult Sites