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Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16699740)
some interesting responses.

"i made a sale with a low page rank site so page rank doesn't matter."

"my site gets X amount of traffic so page rank doesn't matter."

"pr was removed from the toolbar so page rank doesn't matter."

it's like graduates from the donny long school of seo.
How about "many of my pr1 pages are on the first page while there are many pr4 pages several pages back"

As we've talked about MANY times before, the pagerank you see in your toolbar and other PR checking tools is intentionally outdated information. You DO NOT know the current PR of your site. Really, you dumbasses need to stop chasing pagerank. It's pants-on-head retarded.

Like someone said earlier "don't teach your competition." I will shut up now and let you newbies fight it out amongst yourselves. :thumbsup

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699838)
How about "many of my pr1 pages are on the first page while there are many pr4 pages several pages back"

As we've talked about MANY times before, the pagerank you see in your toolbar and other PR checking tools is intentionally outdated information. You DO NOT know the current PR of your site. Really, you dumbasses need to stop chasing pagerank. It's pants-on-head retarded.

Like someone said earlier "don't teach your competition." I will shut up now and let you newbies fight it out amongst yourselves. :thumbsup
uhm... maybe because the pr1 site is targeting that phrase specifically with its on site content/setup + anchor text of backlinks to that page and the PR4 site isn't?

really?

you people are this fucking stupid?

Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16699047)
think about that for a second genius. all top SEO guys ONLINE buy links. based in large part on ... what factor? Thats right. Everyones spending 100's of millions of dollars or more buying links in mainstream because they're just confused and it doesn't help.

maybe you've got it all figured out. or maybe the idiots making similar statements have zero clue what they're talking about because they don't spend all day, everyday building networks, building links, buying links and going after competitive phrases.

the thing that idiots in this industry don't seem to grasp is that PageRank used to be a stronger factor in a page ranking for all kinds of ancillary bullshit in addition to its primary targeted phrases. now, higher PageRank doesn't automatically equate to more traffic as it did in years past. that doesn't mean its not important. its extremely important and its the single measure of the quality and quantity of inbound links to a page which CAUSE it to rank for ANYTHING REMOTELY COMPETITIVE AT ALL. Its how Google determines whether a page is important or not and to what degree. 0 inbound links = 0 importance. The quality of inbound links are measured almost solely by the PR they pass. Its what Google is. Google IS PageRank. Of course their are other factors. But PageRank is THE factor which drives the search engine. MSN and Yahoo use similar methods as well. Yahoo started with HITS which failed. MSN uses WebRank (i think they call it) which is basically the same thing, measuring the same thing.

Its totally fucking insane to me that people don't even grasp the most fundamental, core concepts of search engines.
You're confusing the term "pagerank" with algorithm. Pagerank is not the same as the algorithm used to determine what sites appear in what order in the SERPs. Frankly pagerank isn't even the same as link popularity as you imply. Talk about lacking "fundamental, core concepts of search engines." :1orglaugh

What is insane to me is that people are still buying into some of these long-standing SEO myths. You're not alone but I would urge you to experiment a little and you will see how irrelevant the little green bar really is today.

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 08:43 AM
and incidentally, its the PR of the PR 4 site and the vague mention of the term thats causing it to rank for the term the pr1 is actively targeting.

Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16699842)
uhm... maybe because the pr1 site is targeting that phrase specifically with its on site content/setup + anchor text of backlinks to that page and the PR4 site isn't?

really?

you people are this fucking stupid?
Moron, we're after the same phrases. I'm comparing apples to apples. Don't be dense.

Nicky 01-01-2010 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by chupachups (Post 16699596)
Anyone wanna buy some Google priority IDs?
Bullshit! No way you still have some of those laying around?? Or did WG do ya a solid? :upsidedow

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699845)
You're confusing the term "pagerank" with algorithm. Pagerank is not the same as the algorithm used to determine what sites appear in what order in the SERPs. Frankly pagerank isn't even the same as link popularity as you imply. Talk about lacking "fundamental, core concepts of search engines." :1orglaugh

What is insane to me is that people are still buying into some of these long-standing SEO myths. You're not alone but I would urge you to experiment a little and you will see how irrelevant the little green bar really is today.

Look retard. First and foremost, Toolbar PR is not "PageRank". I've already said that and its part of the SEO Retard 101 discussion since Google made a comment about simply removing toolbar pR from webmaster tools. Its still the core of the search engine.

Toolbar PR is however a scale of the true value of the page(s) which still represent the volume/quality of inbound links to a page. Inbound links are the single most important factor in ranking for a phrase with any degree of competition.

The fact that you people can't even grasp the most obvious, basic facts of this is mind boggling.

Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16699856)
The fact that you people can't even grasp the most obvious, basic facts of this is mind boggling.
Tell me about it. I'm not teaching my competition though so good luck. With your lack of understand I really hesitate to use the term "competition" to describe you.

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699849)
Moron, we're after the same phrases. I'm comparing apples to apples. Don't be dense.
there is quite simply no fucking way in hell that two sites actively targeting the same phrase - by targeting.. . I mean all their efforts from start to finish are centered on ranking for that same phrase where the pr1 is likely to beat a pr4. the pr4 will have an exponentially greater number of backlinks - hence the pr4

of course, you can sit here and claim its true. but you won't find a clear example that illustrates what your talking about ...because once you examine the sites, what their doing, their backlinks/networks, it become quite clear why one is outperforming the other.

Agent 488 01-01-2010 08:52 AM
maybe read this one day dummy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

PageRank is a link analysis algorithm, named after Larry Page,[1] used by the Google Internet search engine that assigns a numerical weighting to each element of a hyperlinked set of documents, such as the World Wide Web, with the purpose of "measuring" its relative importance within the set. The algorithm may be applied to any collection of entities with reciprocal quotations and references. The numerical weight that it assigns to any given element E is also called the PageRank of E and denoted by PR(E).

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699845)
You're confusing the term "pagerank" with algorithm. Pagerank is not the same as the algorithm used to determine what sites appear in what order in the SERPs. Frankly pagerank isn't even the same as link popularity as you imply. Talk about lacking "fundamental, core concepts of search engines." :1orglaugh

What is insane to me is that people are still buying into some of these long-standing SEO myths. You're not alone but I would urge you to experiment a little and you will see how irrelevant the little green bar really is today.

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699859)
Tell me about it. I'm not teaching my competition though so good luck. With your lack of understand I really hesitate to use the term "competition" to describe you.
sure.. you can also claim all day long that Unicorns live in your garage. or... you could show us one. and it would be case closed.

of course, you can't do that.

Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16699861)
maybe read this one day dummy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

PageRank is a link analysis algorithm, named after Larry Page,[1] used by the Google Internet search engine that assigns a numerical weighting to each element of a hyperlinked set of documents, such as the World Wide Web, with the purpose of "measuring" its relative importance within the set. The algorithm may be applied to any collection of entities with reciprocal quotations and references. The numerical weight that it assigns to any given element E is also called the PageRank of E and denoted by PR(E).
Re-read my quote, idiot.

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16699861)
maybe read this one day dummy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

PageRank is a link analysis algorithm, named after Larry Page,[1] used by the Google Internet search engine that assigns a numerical weighting to each element of a hyperlinked set of documents, such as the World Wide Web, with the purpose of "measuring" its relative importance within the set. The algorithm may be applied to any collection of entities with reciprocal quotations and references. The numerical weight that it assigns to any given element E is also called the PageRank of E and denoted by PR(E).
its absolutely insane to me how thick the average person in this biz is.

Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16699862)
sure.. you can also claim all day long that Unicorns live in your garage. or... you could show us one. and it would be case closed.

of course, you can't do that.
Why would I teach you something to help you compete more effectively? What would prompt me to do that? To settle a pissing match on an internet forum with some waterhead keyboard warrior? You crack me up. :1orglaugh

Pleasurepays 01-01-2010 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699869)
Why would I teach you something to help you compete more effectively? What would prompt me to do that? To settle a pissing match on an internet forum with some waterhead keyboard warrior? You crack me up. :1orglaugh
you just made an idiotic claim to support your own assertions. i'm saying "hey, thats a great idea... why don't you prove that and settle the debate for everyone"

you can't... because you know the second you find two sites ranking for the same term with a pr1 out ranking a pr4, it will be instantly clear the PR4 isn't actively targeting that phrase where the pr1 is and you'll be embarrassed.

i don't blame you for not wanting to be embarassed... but gee.. sure seems like a slam dunk for you right? easy to prove. plenty of examples out there, i'm sure.

High PR doesn't automatically equate to more traffic as it once did. High PR properly used DEFINITELY equates to more traffic.

Jdoughs 01-01-2010 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699869)
Why would I teach you something to help you compete more effectively? What would prompt me to do that? To settle a pissing match on an internet forum with some waterhead keyboard warrior? You crack me up. :1orglaugh
The only thing I've seen from you is 1 and 2 sentence posts telling people 2 things, how stupid they are, and how much se traffic and serps you have.

So stop being a cock, and show one, there is no need to be secretive if you in fact have any. (Just one?!)

Don't give us any shit about 'I would never post it publicly', that is pure fucking bullshit. If everyone is so clueless and nobody can do it like you, you have nothing to be worried about and would stop this argument that you have clearly lost.

Babaganoosh 01-01-2010 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Jdoughs (Post 16699896)
The only thing I've seen from you is 1 and 2 sentence posts telling people 2 things, how stupid they are, and how much se traffic and serps you have.

So stop being a cock, and show one, there is no need to be secretive if you in fact have any. (Just one?!)

Don't give us any shit about 'I would never post it publicly', that is pure fucking bullshit. If everyone is so clueless and nobody can do it like you, you have nothing to be worried about and would stop this argument that you have clearly lost.
Again, for what reason? To win an argument over the internet? You really overestimate how important your opinion is to me.

Slappin Fish 01-01-2010 10:18 AM
I am with PleasurePays on this one.

Only when Google saw that their if you try to manipulate Pagerank you will get banned from the SERPS tactics didn't work did their Chief Of Misinformation Officer come up with this PR is dead line that the whole SEO community swallowed whole.

If PR had so little incidence on ranking you have to wonder why they were putting so much energy trying to prevent people from manipulating it.

It isn't a be all end all but it is sure as shit isn't as irrelevant as they now have led people to believe. :2 cents:

Agent 488 01-01-2010 10:25 AM
the point was made google IS pagerank. it's the name of the algorithm. sure there are other ranking factors but there is no google without pagerank. obviously a hard concept to grasp around there.

beemk 01-01-2010 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16699861)
maybe read this one day dummy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PageRank

PageRank is a link analysis algorithm, named after Larry Page,[1] used by the Google Internet search engine that assigns a numerical weighting to each element of a hyperlinked set of documents, such as the World Wide Web, with the purpose of "measuring" its relative importance within the set. The algorithm may be applied to any collection of entities with reciprocal quotations and references. The numerical weight that it assigns to any given element E is also called the PageRank of E and denoted by PR(E).
some people are too fucking stupid to think the value of the overall links a site has doesnt matter in seo. those are the same idiots that get a high ranking by luck. we're better off that they know absolutely nothing about seo.

bdld 01-01-2010 01:20 PM
it's one in many factors. there.

cyco_cc 01-02-2010 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699845)
You're confusing the term "pagerank" with algorithm. Pagerank is not the same as the algorithm used to determine what sites appear in what order in the SERPs.
Dipshit. No, I do not confuse such terms as I have a B.Sc. in Mathematics with a minor in Computer Science and a decade of software development under my belt.

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699845)
Frankly pagerank isn't even the same as link popularity as you imply.
PageRank is a numeric representation of the quality ("authority") of incoming links. Pull out a crayon and a piece of paper. Draw a nice little dot in the center. Name this dot "Babaganoosh's Great Website". Now, and stay with me here because you may be confused already, draw several dots around the dot in the center and connect them to your dot with a straight line. Each one of these dots represents a site and each line represents a link to your site. These are your incoming (inbound) links. Now, we do some fancy math involving some probability distributions, sums, linear algebra and some other stuff you'll never be able to do because you're a fucking retard and we come up with a number. We're going to call this number Page Rank. We're going to display it as a little green bar as to not confuse Babganoosh too much but clearly Google has failed in that regard.

So, as anyone can see by your beautiful crayon drawing (best thing you've ever done in your life, btw, CONGRATS!), Page Rank is merely a numeric representation of the quality/quantity of inbound links, or as you put it, link popularity.

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Originally Posted by Babaganoosh (Post 16699845)
Talk about lacking "fundamental, core concepts of search engines."
Dipshit.

nico-t 01-02-2010 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Agent 488 (Post 16697017)
yeah pr doesn't matter give me 1000 links from pr 7 sites you take 1000 from pr 0 sites let me know how that works out for you.
lol.... exactly. I always chuckle a bit when people say that PR doesnt mean anything. Really a clueless thing to say.

FrozenJag 01-02-2010 01:30 PM
I always get a kick out of when I got to negotiate a hardlink trade with a webmaster. He see's my pr 2 wanting to trade with his pr 3 or pr 4 and is like oh no this is not fair.

I explain that my pr 2 has several several top rankings and gets over 35k/day from google. He still doesnt care because my pr is only 2. LOL. I could name some pretty big webmasters that have said this to me. Total morons. I dont know how they even breath. One guy was so fucking dumb I just removed all our links and quit responding.

That being said I do value PR with some weight but not all that much. Its one of probably 50 things I would look at overall. There are about 10 key things I look at and PR isnt one of them though. Mostly you have to watch out for these link sellers that buy 6 or 7 high PR links from mainstream sites then try and get top dollar for their pr4 sites that hold absolutely zero value for increasing your serps. They continue to rip people off week in and week out though.

Babaganoosh 01-02-2010 01:56 PM
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Originally Posted by cyco_cc (Post 16702111)
Dipshit. No, I do not confuse such terms as I have a B.Sc. in Mathematics with a minor in Computer Science and a decade of software development under my belt.



PageRank is a numeric representation of the quality ("authority") of incoming links. Pull out a crayon and a piece of paper. Draw a nice little dot in the center. Name this dot "Babaganoosh's Great Website". Now, and stay with me here because you may be confused already, draw several dots around the dot in the center and connect them to your dot with a straight line. Each one of these dots represents a site and each line represents a link to your site. These are your incoming (inbound) links. Now, we do some fancy math involving some probability distributions, sums, linear algebra and some other stuff you'll never be able to do because you're a fucking retard and we come up with a number. We're going to call this number Page Rank. We're going to display it as a little green bar as to not confuse Babganoosh too much but clearly Google has failed in that regard.

So, as anyone can see by your beautiful crayon drawing (best thing you've ever done in your life, btw, CONGRATS!), Page Rank is merely a numeric representation of the quality/quantity of inbound links, or as you put it, link popularity.


Dipshit.
You are so incredibly WRONG. I mean...wow. It's no wonder I will always rank higher than you will. I'm glad you have a degree. That makes you a much more desirable employee. Work on that attitude and someday I might hire you for my janitorial work. Do you do toilets?

RTP 01-02-2010 02:22 PM
importance is a discussion that can go on forever. some say it has no value and given the fact it was removed from google wmt recently and that itself is a sign that it's importance is on the decline.

bottom line is no one is right on how important it is because it's all speculation. the only truth is that PR is a factor, but it's only 1 factor of hundreds now

:2 cents:

beemk 01-02-2010 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by RTP (Post 16702578)
importance is a discussion that can go on forever. some say it has no value and given the fact it was removed from google wmt recently and that itself is a sign that it's importance is on the decline.

bottom line is no one is right on how important it is because it's all speculation. the only truth is that PR is a factor, but it's only 1 factor of hundreds now

:2 cents:
im not sure why they removed it, but it makes sense that google would want everything to be more organic and not help people who are trading links to boost their SE results.

Agent 488 01-02-2010 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by beemk (Post 16702829)
im not sure why they removed it, but it makes sense that google would want everything to be more organic and not help people who are trading links to boost their SE results.
was just removed to stop/slow buying/selling links.

seeric 01-02-2010 03:58 PM
haha. i love these threads.

PXN 01-02-2010 05:58 PM
PageRank isn't important. Matt Cutts mention about that somewhere in an article and like people here say it was suppose to be ditched a while ago. My site google traffic jump 30% but PR is down by one. I rather have more traffic than a higher PR. More traffic = more sales.

Just focus on building your website and google will take care of you.

nico-t 01-02-2010 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RTP (Post 16702578)
and given the fact it was removed from google wmt recently and that itself is a sign that it's importance is on the decline.
dude..... they just dont really want to show it to webmasters anymore. That doesnt make it less important.

RTP 01-02-2010 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by nico-t (Post 16703160)
dude..... they just dont really want to show it to webmasters anymore. That doesnt make it less important.
i know man, that's the standpoint from those who say...hey they removed it, it must not be important...

my own opinion is its one of many factors

MediaGuy 01-02-2010 07:15 PM
I think neglecting or ignoring PR is a mistake in the long run... Google has often fed us misinformation or information that was months ahead or behind itself in order to throw off the Google bombers and others who would use it to their advantage...

I say hold on to your Google PR, nurture it, and wait. They said they killed the value of description meta tags but my sites are still listed with the description rather than the first relevant 255 characters on the page, so... dunno.

:D


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