List of the trash we were able to shed in '09

ok... so here are my questions:

1) do you work for 12 clicks?
2) are 12 clicks x-sales cleaned up or do you get that extra something special "later" after your CC is entered?
3) if a person is X-sold and they didn't even know it, they would likely think they just got ripped off. Do you think making people feel they have been ripped off makes business sense?
4) I just went through 2 screens on 12 clicks site prior to actually entering a CC, there was no xsale on any pages. Does that make me a dumb surfer if indeed x-sales are going on after that?

So my final question is.... are there X-sales going on after those two pages when you enter your CC info... 12 clicks?

1.No, neither he nor anyone else in this business can pay me as much as I already make. And yes, that is legitimately make since you insinuated that perhaps I don't make my money the old fashioned way in your earlier post. Hell, now that James Brown is gone...I'm the hardest working man in show business baby!

2. I have never done any b2b with 12clicks, but I can tell you that he is the first guy ever to be cleared by CC Bill officially to do x-sells if that means anything to you.

3. If the x-sell is done correctly they DO know it. People aren't stupid like you assume. First off IF the x-sell is legit...they get an email informing them that they have a trial membership (usually a dollar and usually for 3 days). They then have the option to cancel it before it rebills. Since 100% of people on the internet already have been in contact with x-sells in mainstream products they have bought...then I would think it to be a bit ludicrous to assume they suddenly are amazed that a x-sell may have happened to them. But yes, there are a percentage of actual dumb people out there who might. That's why God invented the CREDIT. Or if the member gets pissed off...the CHARGEBACK. Pretty simple stuff here, but if you insist on me detailing it out for you, there it is.

4. Who said 12clicks was selling x-sells? Maybe he's just buying them in bulk. That's what most companies do. Though from our conversation I'm thinking that you don't have any knowledge about this topic to understand how it works. No big deal. But anyway, if Ron is buying x-sells and not selling them then of course he doesn't have any on his sign up page. I don't want to be demeaning to you, because I think you're a good guy, but this is pretty simple stuff to understand isn't it?

I am as smart as you think I am.

I would like to know how to get ripped off... the reason being I would like to get ripped off later... ya know ;)

Damn man...either you're speaking in code to me, or I'm still fucked up from drinking too much last night!

I can tell you this. At least once a week I turn down offers to buy x-sells. Not for any moral reasons. But because it can be risky if a company were to sell you hidden x-sells or even worse...cancel page x-sells. That is some crooked shit there.

But just saying... I get offers to buy up to 1000 x-sells a day at $17 a pop. Those are trial memberships. 90% of them WILL convert. And then 20 to 40% of those WILL rebill. It's a fast way to make millions of dollars. And no, I'm not one of those guys who has multiple merchant accounts. I only have one. So I can't risk losing my one account and I obviously can't shuffle merchant accounts since I only have one.

But as I told you earlier, I did do a little revshare one in 07 and the beginning of 08. Since I was VERY careful it was only about 20 to 30 x-sells a day. But it still made money, and it still makes money rebilling to this very day. Faithful members of claudia-marie.com who interact with her via email and live cam shows. Those people didn't get "ripped off", they got a good deal, discovered a site that they now love and everybody wins.

Now on the buying of x-sells...yes, you would be making good money.

BUT, you have to be able to get several merchant accounts and you have to have a programmer smart enough to script the whole thing together and make sure that no merchant account gets overloaded. AND you have to have tremendous customer support to stop chargebacks.

But you would literally have 30,000 members in one months time. You would spend $510,000 And if my numbers hold true (90%) and you charge $29.99 per membership plus a dollar for the trial you would gross $836,730 in the first month for a profit of $326,730

Then if only 30% rebill the next month you just netted $242,919 off the first month along with a nice fresh $326,730 net from your new x-sells in the new month.

Now rinse and repeat for 10 years or so and you start to get the idea of the money involved. Again, not defending it or attacking it. Just stating the facts. It's a numbers game.

As I said before, I love the porn business too much to get involved in the day to day complexities of going large on x-sells. But it is damn profitable. And in 30 years when I'm ready to retire...IF I retire I should say, I'll probably spend the last year doing exactly that to make myself a big nest egg for my family.

funny how none of 12clicks sites disclose how much their free trials rebill as.

"NOTE: All trials and monthly memberships will recur at the monthly price (USD) until cancelled."

http://www.ripoffreport.com/Criminal...g-gr-fa627.htm

Why must you post incessantly long responses in multiple threads? I don't want to hear about your old school knowledge and who you know and what you have done. I also don't want to see you jump in every thread that you feel gives you the chance to post inane responses and lengthy retorts to put people to sleep.

Congrats, you have been around a long time. Now you feel is your chance to use the board to your advantage. Great! Do it. Use it. But please stop coming across as some holier than thou that thinks because they have been around has the right to portray what is right and wrong.

A message board join date and post count means nothing. The same as how many names you can mention and who you have been associated with.

Just give it a rest already.

well all I can Say happy new year to all, welcome 2010

I still know a few, we meet regulary on Facebook!

Are you on FB, Ron?

If I find you, I'll sign you for Obama Fanclub!


not trolling anyone, but killing time with the smile at the airport after the flight delay of 11 hours.

5 hours till a new year!

Maybe 12 clicks could join in and spew some more 2009 banter?

Holy fuck, how is that legal?

100 ...,.,.,.

This thread has a valid point, I'm sure...

Happy New Year everyone

Standard Internet

Damn all you people do is ramble on about nothing and argue with idiots over absolutely nothing.

So much for reading this thread to find out who exited the industry this past year, it turned into a typical pissing match.