List of the trash we were able to shed in '09

BTW these guys have no affiliate programs and already traffic that dwarfs most big programs.

It is a whole new ball game...

Then I must be totally unfamiliar with what you're talking about. If I sign up for a free site with a credit card and it starts billing the next day...that's what is known as a free trial and cleverly marketed.

If you're saying that they somehow just take your money and don't show any terms that explain that it will start billing and rebilling and/or don't send you an email, then I would say you are right.

But I've never seen anything like that.

And as for the affiliate program...having a paysite doesn't mean you need an affiliate program. I almost wish I didn't have one. Affiliates don't have any traffic anymore. They are all just working Google...or even buying fucking adwords. Not exactly what an affiliate is supposed to be...more of a joke really.

But you're right...I'm ignorant of sites doing what you're reporting. Never seen it. Post a link that is unclickable so I can see one. What you're describing would be simple theft and would definitely cost them their merchant account.

If they don't have an affiliate program it isn't because of the hassle, but because their "business" is profitable enough to buy all the traffic they want. Ironically, straight from the content thieves you hate so much .

freedomtube.org hidden cross

http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...m-c129917.html
Notice... it can't be unchecked or anything.

Can you point me to one? I'd like to see what the hell they are pulling.

12clicks is a miserable guy. must suck being an angry stooge

Traffic is only part of the equation.
So www.site.com may only do 10hits a day however biller.site.com may do 200 joins a day. So you look up in Alexa and say your site only does 10 hits a day, but that does not tell you how many joins a day the site is really doing.
My point being not all sales come through the front door.

All I know is that for years certain people would do the occational hitjob on 12clicks for being around as long as they had, yet not making as much money.

Then he launches his cross sale scheme that refunds everyone no questions asked that calls customer support, and he is suddenly better than everyone.

I don't know the guy, but he seemed much more humble before just going by what I saw online.

Just checked that freedomtube out nationx

Yep, that's simply a hidden x-sell. Very nasty.

<label><input name="payType" value="onedayonedollartrial4847monthly4a:creditcar d" checked="checked" type="radio"><em><strong class="red">FREE PASS </strong><span class="white">- Credit Card $0</span></em></label></td>

They hid a $1/1 day trial that rebills at 47 bucks the next day.

That's what I was saying in my post up top when I said that sites using hidden x-sells are definitely looking to have their merchant accounts yanked.

I wonder if they send an email and/or show you what happened after you sign up to at least give you a chance to cancel? There has to be something somewhere that they are hiding behind to be able to continue processing credit cards with their merchant bank right?

Anyway, yeah...this shit is totally wrong. And doesn't fit with what I was referring to as far as the wikipedia thing. This is a hidden x-sell plain and simple. And I can't see how they can legally operate like this.

I know that for our merchant accounts they grilled us, gave us anal probings, and checked us out more thoroughly than the FBI does terrorists.

And they do a "review" and check us again every year. Every site and everything.

I need to find a cool bank like these guys are using and start doing the same thing! lol
That looks like easy money...

Just kidding. Those are fucking crooks.

No, I call YOU a shitstain and remind them how much better and better paid they are than you.

stfu you piece of shit

There are dozens, all intertwined, just look around.

I am not here to point fingers at somebody specifically, cross sellers do what they do, all I am saying is that as the party getting shafted we shouldn't celebrate them, this is costing us hard earned cash down the road

Then again some might read this and think, if you can't beat them join them, cross seller will end up doing even more business

I kinda mis-spoke when I called it a hidden X SELL on freedomtube

I'm not sure it is a xsell. I think it's simply a hidden sell. Period. To be a xsell it would have to be selling a membership to another site. That appears to just sell a membership to their site. But I could be wrong.

It's GOT to be illegal right?

I havent had a day job for 5 years or more... coincidentally since I started my first business in adult.

See you may be bigger than me but youre not the only one to grow multiple business in this industry.

I never said you werent a bigger fish. But your shit still stinks and your attitude is less than mine.

I guess all Im trying to say is a higher ratio of people would enjoy me over you.

Im more

I don't think it is illegal.

There is usually a second page with conditions and cross sales.

Problem is, even legal, sites are ranking in the low thousands on Alexa, bought traffic on all the tubes, with all the traffic brokers, Blacklabelads.... that is a lot of surfers you and me will never see again.