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kane 12-16-2009 10:22 PM

[QUOTE=The Demon;16654666]
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 16654655)
That doesn't mean that conservatives are the majority. It just means that those who consider themselves to be conservative are more active in appointing their agenda.


I'd say this is 50-50 at best.

I guess that one is open for debate. I know a good number of people who consider themselves to conservative and very few of them support medical pot. This is also an issue that was brought to the forefront by the left, not the right.


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Gay marriage most certainly is on the right side of the equation. That's not even considering the fact that 90% of the states don't allow it.
But the left brought it up. It is very much a liberal agenda. If there were no liberals, we would not be talking about this issue. Just because the right strongly opposes it, doesn't mean it is an exclusively conservative issue.


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Correction, the Republicans have no interest in health care reform when our debt is unsustainable and is carried deeper by the Obama Administration. I'm all for fixing healthcare to a certain extent, after we are running some surpluses.
While I can't argue that the republicans are arguing right now that they are against this because of the deficit, they were also against it back when Clinton proposed it and we had a balanced budget and they would be against it if we had no national debt and a budget surplus.

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And no offense Kane because you seem intelligent, but I think you are grasping at straws here. I never said the conservatives constitute the majority. What I said was:
You asked for issues that are predominately to the left and I gave you three of them. It might be your opinion that they are not, but these are issues that are the forefront of the nation right now and they were put there by liberals.

Also you said, "This country will never be rid of conservatives because we are the majority." That seems to me like you think that conservatives constitute the majority in this country.

I am curious though you say that most of the social issues in this country are from the right. I would love to see some examples.

kane 12-16-2009 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16654682)
Fuck wiki, I was there. Some things I don't need to look up. :upsidedow

Nixon was talking about conservatives. There were hippie liberals and red neck conservatives. Not too much in the middle ground.

Ok. I wasn't there and will admit I don't know a whole lot about its origin. I am referring to it as I have seen it used recently which was to talk about those who tend to be more independent and non-vocal about their political points.

But I will cede the point. The independents in this country make up the majority of the voters, but they are not called the silent majority.

directfiesta 12-16-2009 10:41 PM

[QUOTE=The Demon;16654666]
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Originally Posted by kane (Post 16654655)
And no offense Kane because you seem intelligent, but I think you are grasping at straws here. I never said the conservatives constitute the majority. What I said was:

Post # 26 ... :1orglaugh:1orglaugh

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Originally Posted by The Demon (Post 16654548)
Gotta love the double standards. This country will never be rid of conservatives because we are the majority. We should have gotten rid of the liberals decades ago but failed. Now Obama is driving the liberals to extinction himself with his hilarious deficit spending not matched even by the Bush administration. I would show you the charts again but you'll bitch over the sources, only later to claim that you are purposely posting bullshit like a retard.

Need photoshop help on your sig ? :1orglaugh

The Demon 12-17-2009 05:58 AM

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You asked for issues that are predominately to the left and I gave you three of them. It might be your opinion that they are not, but these are issues that are the forefront of the nation right now and they were put there by liberals.

Also you said, "This country will never be rid of conservatives because we are the majority." That seems to me like you think that conservatives constitute the majority in this country.

I am curious though you say that most of the social issues in this country are from the right. I would love to see some examples.
You misunderstand. I said that almost all of the social issues are leaning towards the right, not who brought these issues up. The country is more conservative on gun control, same sex marriage, separation of church and state, etc.

pornguy 12-17-2009 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by baddog (Post 16654107)
Oh man . . .

Yeah the guy that said that is no clearly tied to the insurance companies.. but when they hand him 1 million or more he will flip.

Think how many jobs a are lost if they put those companies out of business.

TheDoc 12-17-2009 06:39 AM

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Pleasurepays 12-17-2009 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16654282)
True... but those people were voted in under Bush that let America down, they are part of the group that wants America to fail. If Obama would simply use the Patriot Act put in by Bush to over take America, he could assume authority and rid this Country of the filthy conservatives, pile of them in the fema prison camps setup under Bush, shift the insurance coverage to the rest of faithful Americans, and start rebuilding this great nation with true hope and change in mind!

:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you're such a fucking idiot

Pleasurepays 12-17-2009 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16654282)
True... but those people were voted in under Bush that let America down, they are part of the group that wants America to fail. If Obama would simply use the Patriot Act put in by Bush to over take America, he could assume authority and rid this Country of the filthy conservatives, pile of them in the fema prison camps setup under Bush, shift the insurance coverage to the rest of faithful Americans, and start rebuilding this great nation with true hope and change in mind!

the proud marine who apparently isn't sure which direction to shoot, who to shoot or why to shoot.... much less why he served to begin with.

:2 cents:

TheDoc 12-17-2009 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16655483)
:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh:1orglaugh

you're such a fucking idiot


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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16655506)
the proud marine who apparently isn't sure which direction to shoot, who to shoot or why to shoot.... much less why he served to begin with.

:2 cents:

What a pathetic shit stain sheep.... line you up and shoot you with the other morons sucking my cock here.

Fletch XXX 12-17-2009 07:33 AM

idiots rule!

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The Nebraska lawmaker told reporters he was reviewing a proposal to toughen abortion restrictions in the legislation, one of the changes he is seeking. Nelson said the compromise negotiated by anti-abortion Sen. Bob Casey, D-Pa., involves attempt to separate private and public funds, an approach that in the past failed to sway the Nebraska moderate and Catholic bishops.
These same morons fund wars that kill way more people than legal and safe medical abortions that are sometimes required to save a woman's life. Oh no, lets not let any dollars go to saving a womans life, lets force her to have baby and then send it to war when it turns 18!

WAR WAR WAR, NO MEDICAL!@

woj 12-17-2009 07:41 AM

50...... :)

Pleasurepays 12-17-2009 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by TheDoc (Post 16655683)
What a pathetic shit stain sheep.... line you up and shoot you with the other morons sucking my cock here.

really? the guy who served his country (we'll just assume with honor) and pledged to defend the president, freedom, democracy and the constitution as well as the citizens of this nation, thinks it makes perfect sense to imprison every citizen of this nation that he disagrees with and shoot those citizens he dislikes.

and you're well thought out, well reasoned response? "sheep..."

fucking idiot.

:2 cents:

The Demon 12-17-2009 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16655761)
really? the guy who served his country (we'll just assume with honor) and pledged to defend the president, freedom, democracy and the constitution as well as the citizens of this nation, thinks it makes perfect sense to imprison every citizen of this nation that he disagrees with and shoot those citizens he dislikes.

and you're well thought out, well reasoned response? "sheep..."

fucking idiot.

:2 cents:

You really believe this moron served his country? Officials wouldn't let him get near any armed forces. The guy is a complete buffoon who would get himself killed in basic training.

campimp 12-17-2009 08:09 AM

i love paying $400 a month for me and my wife to have insurance with shitty coverage and no vision or dental

TheDoc 12-17-2009 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Pleasurepays (Post 16655761)
really? the guy who served his country (we'll just assume with honor) and pledged to defend the president, freedom, democracy and the constitution as well as the citizens of this nation, thinks it makes perfect sense to imprison every citizen of this nation that he disagrees with and shoot those citizens he dislikes.

and you're well thought out, well reasoned response? "sheep..."

fucking idiot.

:2 cents:


Hahaha... oh man.. Welp I guess you're stupid, what can I say? Besides...

This is what Black Jesus Commands, we must cleanse this Country of such filth, rid the nation of the right, and bring back the true meaning of being American!

~ Sieg Heil!

IllTestYourGirls 12-17-2009 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by campimp (Post 16655800)
i love paying $400 a month for me and my wife to have insurance with shitty coverage and no vision or dental

Then stop paying. No one is forcing you (yet) to buy it. If everyone who was unhappy with their health insurance stopped buying it costs would go down and coverage would go up.

I cant wait to be forced to buy shitty coverage! woohoo!

The Demon 12-17-2009 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by IllTestYourGirls (Post 16655816)
Then stop paying. No one is forcing you (yet) to buy it. If everyone who was unhappy with their health insurance stopped buying it costs would go down and coverage would go up.

I cant wait to be forced to buy shitty coverage! woohoo!

ROFL Amen to that. The bill will never pass. I pay $200 a month and get full coverage, I'm satisfied.

baddog 12-17-2009 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Fletch XXX (Post 16655696)
idiots rule!



These same morons fund wars that kill way more people than legal and safe medical abortions that are sometimes required to save a woman's life. Oh no, lets not let any dollars go to saving a womans life, lets force her to have baby and then send it to war when it turns 18!

WAR WAR WAR, NO MEDICAL!@

I am relatively confident that there is no legislation that prevents abortion if it required to save her life.

Just what percentage of abortions are to save the mother's life?

Tom_PM 12-17-2009 10:09 AM

This "reform" is looking more and more like a health insurance lobbyists wet dream.

Minte 12-17-2009 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16656208)
This "reform" is looking more and more like a health insurance lobbyists wet dream.

You're not really surprised are you?

kane 12-17-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by PR_Tom (Post 16656208)
This "reform" is looking more and more like a health insurance lobbyists wet dream.

Yep, I was reading about it this morning. It seems like there will be very little in the new law to allow multiple companies to operate in every state nor will there be much in the way of forcing insurance companies to to not drop you if you get sick and there are even going to be some loopholes that have already been found that could give them the power to drop you if ever forgot even one past doctor visit.

Looks like this is less a reform and more just the government buying the uninsured health insurance.


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