Twelve Fiddy :)

said it before this will be an epic thread - sigs, site and youtube video

what's next?

:1orglaugh

Exactly, and he can't figure out why I am not all over that "awesome offer".

My nightly I'm going to bed bump.

Just pay up already.

bump4you

youre confused, he offered him 100 pps for any other form of traffic he accepts...

reguardless of that this is still shady on DirtyD's part

bump for shady dirty d

Bumpage

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wow 26 pages and still going strong. g'night all hopefully it doesn't get to 30 by the morning, I hate catching up..lol

seems pretty clear he doesnt allow any ppc, he says acceptable methods are listed , ppc is not mentioned thus it must be unacceptable.

no ppc = no adwords period end of story

Jesus fuck 26 pages, I think Shoehorn gets the Xbox. :(

From his TOS - "What methods can I use to send traffic?
All email promotions must be CAN-SPAM compliant. You can send traffic many ways. We have plenty of banners, hosted galleries, and hosted free sites for you to choose from. You can also use text links, blind links, exit consoles, entrance consoles, 404 traffic and site reviews."

My AdWords campaign was a text link. End of story.

He accepted my traffic, paid me for it for 3 months, then stopped paying me without notifying me he didn't want my traffic. He let me keep sending sales thinking I wouldn't notice that I wasn't getting payouts from him.

He owes me money, plain and simple.

friendly bump

many webmasters read this thread, so i better get to work while my competition is distracted!!!

NO, the song I was reffering to was by the Talking heads and is titled "were on the road to nowhere" ;)

Thanks babe. I wish this had been handled a lot differently, I know you guys tried hashing it out on e-mail but couldn't see eye to eye. Just wanted to let you know that he and Candi Apple left for a 10 day cruise so he won't be online until next week. I'm hoping at that time you guys get another chance at talking things out.

You came to me several weeks ago and I passed on the message, thanks for not killing the messenger. Like I said, I don't know enough about PPC to have a strong and educated opinion nor was it something that involved me or included me in any way, so I was truly trying to stay out of this and not get dragged into someone else's drama.

Bah! Stickler...David Byrne performing "Road To Nowhere" Cajun/Zydeco style:



Guess Dirty D didn't hear, or he's on a low-budget cruise:

ADG

This thread has a high drama value, but gives me also the option to get to know some people better. Also it proves again today that no one is who they say they are.

I have no sides to pick, i am more here to bump the facts not the drama itself. Fact is, someone needs to get paid. no matter what. That is the only way for D to say " I have learned, i paid, lets go on " .... there is NO OTHER option.

PS D....have a nice cruise. And I doubt there is no internet on the boat. Time to take matters in hand and feed the mass what she wants. Your stubbornness will not win here

:2 cents:

:winkwink: "hey buddy you have a giant dickfore on your head"

:Oh crap "whats a dickfore?"

and yet another morning bump! webmasters should be paid for their honest work.

I guess DirtyD would rather have "legit" results for "Crack Whore Confessions" like rapidshare, filestube, youtube, etc in his top results.

< / sarcasm>


Why not let your affiliates weed out torrent, filesharing , password trading websites with actual pages linking towards your paysite, even if it is a direct paysite link code the logic has not been fully thought out on your part DirtyD, your nickname has a whole new meaning now.

Pay the man the money he's owed.

My thoughts exactly, from what he said and his pov on that matter doesn't look like he "know much" about Google Adwords (to be polite) :2 cents:

http://www.dirtycruise.com/

Can someone translate?

www.crackwhoreconfessions.com = domain name

crackwhore confessions = keywords

Right?

dirty was my hero, until i seen his action is this thread. It was not in the Terms, he should pay then add it to the terms. he not called dirty for no reason I see

10 day cruise my ass...he's "cruisin' down the shitter. Just pay the man you dirty fuckhead!

I'm sure Dogfart will enjoy the extra gloryhole traffic.

DOGFART has no invisible rules in their TOS.

LOL - Just own up to your responsibilities D and pay the man. Change your TOS and never have to deal with this issue ever again. It really is just that simple.

Its one thing if he thinks google ppc = cybersquatting. (his own opinion)
He can also choose to not pay affiliates for google ppc (his own choice)
Its something else if he decides to keep accepting said traffic and not contact affiliate or pay out on it (pisss poor business, stealing).
The icing on top the cake is that on top of all of that he could have still handled this professionaly even though what he was doing was very wrong. Instead to come in here insulting people and laughing at them (aka Lars w/Zango or CTB with curiouscash) that is suicide.

Unfortunetly, most people here can take getting screwed and they will even forgive and forget who screwed them. That person can buy them drinks or go run a contest thread. But when you screw someone and then rub it in their face and piss on everyone watching, people don't forget that shit. :2 cents:

If he is really paying for a person to do PR for him and he didn't consult them before this thread he is wasting his money. If I was his PR person I would fire him lol.

Bump to get the man paid already

i think you missed the point of my post, dirty-d stated in this thread ( for the first time ) that he doesnt accept ANY ppc, although it's not in his TOS. I was merely pointing this out to xenigo, who was under the impression this was an acceptable form of traffic for dirty-d.

The only people who have disagreed with you are those who think bidding on his keywords is unacceptable, and furthermore you shouldnt be paid because "everyone" knows you cant do this.

I was merely pointing out how incredibly stupid it would be for ANYONE to think PPC must be listed in the tos for you to use it as a traffic method, and furthermore that your money would be stolen for using ppc.

Ah, gotcha, I read that right before I went to sleep and wasn't completely with it. You are right. :thumbsup

Gee babe, for clarity an honest and creative webmaster does the work, sends the joins and yet doesn't get paid. No drama there. You work for the guy that fucked shoehorn over and yet are clueless as to how to handle a situation all while that bastard crook of a boss of yours is on a 10 day cruise....? PAY THE WEBMASTER THE MONEY HE IS OWED!!!!!!

Doesn't the PR job also include damage control to save public relations? Don't know so I am asking.

The thing that amazes me about this thread is that practically everyone understands exactly what is going on, and exactly what should be done.

There has been quite a few times where I was going to post something, but read through recent posts first and saw that one (often times several) people have already said exactly what I was going to say. :thumbsup

That's because those posters understand proper business, ethics, and possess common sense. May all of his content get ripped and dumped on torrents/tubes/etc.. so he never makes another sale.

aren't you his PR person? what exactly do you do? this is one of the few times over the years that dirty d needs a PR person to handle this (he obviously isnt handling it correctly himself) and you're going to say it doesn't involve you and you want to stay out of it? i surely hope he isn't paying you very much.

Probably a small retainer for random tasks to the tune of 800 or so a month. That's how most of these PR people do things, small retainers for as long as they can. "I'll put your logo in my sig bro plus talk about you at shows."

Just a branding thing normally.

Shoehorn! hope u get paid

Not going to happen unfortunately :)

HAHA! Check this out..:)

http://www.google.com/search?q=howIgotrich.com+scam

http://www.google.com/search?q=crack...sions.com+scam

HAHAHAHA!!

ROFL

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...com+ stealing

I'm going to create some more bad publicity for him and all his sites. I'll wait a couple weeks to see if he pays though.

Someone needs to get that chick who said she was underage to appear on camera saying it and then send a copy over to the cops. Couldn't get any worse than that.

Cant think of one thread, in my history of reading GFY, that so much support has been given to one guy, clearly there is a wrong here, and D needs to fix it.

This kind of stupid comment doesn't help the situation.

This is a clear cut case of sponsor should pay affiliate, and has been advised on MUCH earlier pages by a few people myself included, he should just issue legal proceedings for the recovery of the money.

Shoehorn has largely conducted himself correctly (I understand why he feels the need for the anti dirty d websites, but don't think they necessarily help him and could backfire) and bringing in unrelated matters like that underage case (which I believe was never proven if you research) is only going to diminish the legitimacy of the issue which is that dirty d owes a debt and is not paying it. Beginning, middle and end of story.

Legal action will get the debt paid. This thread will not get the debt paid. and longer it goes on less chance the debt will be paid. We have learnt from this thread that the vast majority of sponsors and affiliates and bystanders that have expressed an opinion support shoehorn 100%. I am sure there are also people aside from the few who have atteptd suicide in the thread that support dirty d, who agree he has a point "morally" but have wisely decided to keep quiet about it and instead are busily modifying their own TOS to cover their asss from this issue in the future.

Dirty d could have easily turned this into a win, but missed many opportunities. Now he should be thinking about how to reduce his loss, and maybe next time choosing his "PR representation" on different criteria.

This all said, how about this for a solution.....

To prove his issue is based on principle and not just on screwing affiliates of the money, dirty d should donate the sum owing to the webmaster's toy run, and there should be a reimburse shoehorn fund set up that I for one would contribute to and I am sure many more would.

hotDfuckedme.com is still available. Register it and redirect it to this thread, then put it on your shirts at Internext.

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