Go ahead and define "many many years" for me. Is it 5? 10? If you're such an industry vet, why post negative crap under an anonymous nick?

Tradeshows (not just Internext) are a reflection of the current business climate. Have you not noticed that? Wait... did you want us to pretend it's 2001 for you?

I'll address your bottom line now. Expenses. The show is $150 in advance and for a major trade show, that's reasonable. Rooms are available everywhere in Vegas, not just at the Palms. We're not forcing you to stay there. And flights? Please... my round trip from Montreal to Vegas is under $350 US.

I'll be there :)

As always, it will be awesome to see you Stephane :thumbsup

SexSearch peeps will be there

Chris we are all just going to see this BAKO nickname

I stayed at Bellagio one year for Internext. My travel companion at the time got a very good deal. It is a really nice hotel. One thing though; It cost us a lot in cab fare to go forth and back to the shows. Now I try to stay within walking distance of any convention.

I haven't decided yet.

Consider it a Lock...
I even heard the Anal Hobbit will be there as will be the Tradition of Vegas Internext, the Bukkake Party!

Sponsors needed.

I will be there

i just hope i could come

Kid, I started with the first awards ceremony in 1984. You were probably not even out of high school yet, but I was knee deep in this business, working with true industry legends. I have AVN Awards on my shelf that have been there longer than you (or most of the people here) have been in this business.

It is of no concern to you or anyone else who I am. Nobody would believe me anyway if I registered under my real name. I tried that on another board and it didn't work too well. I was called a "fake nic" there too.

As far as why I post negative crap about your shows, it's because they are crap now. AVN is sadly now crap, the industry is crap, but this is not breaking news.

You said it. So again I say again, it's all crap. The truth is often painful.

Tell this story to the empty floor that you'll be seeing. :2 cents:

Vegas is not a cheap destination. Never has been. It was worth the expense back when the shows meant something or were at least entertaining. Face it, it's all gone downhill. Robbie has the best suggestion here and it will never even be entertained.

Enjoy the parties lad. There won't be many more of them.

I doubt I'll go. This will be the first Internext Vegas since 2001 I miss too but the ROI from this show simply isn't there for me anymore. Enjoy everyone.
WG

WTF!!
Who's going to have my back for the babe hunts?

I'm taking the money I would have spent in Vegas and going to Niagara Falls instead. Sorry bro. I might come last minute for the MPDinner but I can't see myself going to Vegas for 3 days otherwise. I gave it 9 years and the value isn't there anymore. I'll ICQ you if I come out last minute.
WG

:upsidedow:upsidedow

Am i getting a freaking invite this time?

Going to be skipping this one ourselves but hoping Chris can help get that show back on it's feet again.
So maybe next year.
See you next week in Montreal Chris and we can chat/debate this thing to death.
Cheers

I finally get to meet you

90% for now haven't fully decided yet, either vegas or a trip out of the country with the girlfriend. I am considering it haven't been to a show since 2004 will be a last minute thing i guess just like all the other shows. Or maybe both most likely will see you all there :thumbsup

Serious question... Doesnt AVN also get a percentage of the take of the food/bar and hotel rooms ? I think that is what Babenet has alleged in their lawsuit. If so, your analogy is a little off.

And BTW I will be there.

Hit me up i would like to speak to you.

Just sent you an email....

This will be the 1st show since the ia2000 I will not be attending. As wiredguy said above the ROI just isn't there anymore. These shows have simply just turned into a big party with no real business value to them...:2 cents:

Hey asshole..
Its people like you and this attitude that make it difficult not just for AVN but for people like me to get sponsors for my Bukkake Party.


Ive never had this difficult of a time getting sponsors for what used to be the best private party at internext.

We are are about 40 percent behind in sponsorship compared to this time last year.
Id hate to have to cut budget, but I refuse to run this party at a loss.

When you stay for example 7 nights at Ceasars Palace near AEE it is only 100 euro more expensive than staying 3 nights. Use that money for the cab :) Playing with dates can give better rates.
This year my tickets Amsterdam - Vegas are only 460 euro, booked at the right time and played with the dates, that can save hundreds of euro's.

This will be my second show i don't know how it was years ago. But i think Robbie has good ideas to make it better. I will take a look downtown this year. I could see/hear that there use to be more action. The AVN Awards where in a 30% filled hall, most seats where empty. The floor parties and bar are the best places to meet people. Maybe the entrance of 150 dollar must be spent on a open-bar and entertainment.

But i am also going to see more of the US, starting in San Francisco, take Route 1 to Los Angeles, Las Vegas - Grand Canyon. I want to see more this year than only the hotel bar.

http://www.goldcoastcasino.com/ - directly opposite of the Palms - about 200 meter or so, room prices start at $34 per night. and the rooms are totally ok

You'll be missed WG.

About 60% sure I'm going to drop into Vegas...

We have only been doing the Phoenix show for the last 2 years (and I love it) but now its in the middle of April and I could really use a short vacation between now and then :)

I don't necessarily agree to not go based on the economy, you never know who you'll meet or when those personal contacts you made will come in handy. Its like people yanking their advertising during hard months -- its not good for your long term success.
:2 cents:

If people are saying that there isn't value for them, AVN should have these people on the phone, asking what would make it better.

Vegas wins !! :winkwink:

I am thinking about it....

Robbie is right. I haven’t missed a show in 8 yrs and I get a lot of business done at every one. That business used to get done on the show floor for the most part, but the last 3-4 yrs Ive taken a 5 min turn on the floor and that’s it. It seems to all get done at the bar / tables / meals these days.

I wouldn’t take it as a personal dig, things are just not the same as they were 8 yrs ago. The show floors will NEVER again be 10% of what they once were and they will continue to get smaller and smaller every year until they disappear all together. The days of spending 200k on a booth to top what you did the year before was a fun time in the history of this business, but its done.

For good or for bad, people look at the shrinking show floor every year and associate it directly with the show’s success. If I was running a show, I'd just accept it for what it is and instead of trying to keep that part of the show alive (an impossible task and a no win situation) and best try to adapt to whats going on now. Organize more interesting smaller events, poker tournaments etc. If I meet someone I don’t know on the show floor, It feels (to me anyway) like its kind of a sad "pitch" zone where you hear the same old crap form people that really dont have much idea what they are doing. But if I take part in a good poker tournament or an interesting event, its much more casual and I feel like I have a chance to connect and bond with people Ive never met before and brainstorm a bit instead of feeling like Im being sold something.

People leave the Vegas show and say “I partied and gambled like crazy, It was a blast”…..People leave the Phx Forum and the Panama summit and say “I got a TON of business done”

:2 cents:

Ja$on please keep in mind that I was never trying to tell someone NOT to buy a badge.
Everyone attending SHOULD buy a badge.

I was responding to the question of whether the cost of the badge was worth the money that they are asking for it. My reply was "no" and for all the reasons given by others.

Hell if AVN would just step up once and actually DO something at the show then perhaps that would make it worth paying the price.

I DID buy badges for both AEE and Internext this year. I will be attending both as a full paying attendee.

Again, I would question WHY I am paying for badges for Claudia-Marie to attend either event. But no options were given on the website for talent. Probably one of the reasons there isn't more tits and ass at the show.

Another drawback to doing the show at RAIN and having parties at the clubs at The Palms is the fact that folks who have a TEEN program can't bring their models who are under 21.

Also, as I said earlier...this economy is tough. Piracy has really wreaked havoc on a lot of people's bottom lines. Many guys who worked for companies for YEARS are now unemployed. Doing this at The Palms and having the room rates jacked way up JUST for the weekend of AEE and the days of Internext AND having the outrageous drink prices at The Palms on top of everything else is also hurtful to attendance.

If anybody from AVN would like to meet up with me during the week of AEE and Internext, I would be happy to show you around Fremont St. (which is the old school original "strip" in Las Vegas) Rooms there are $39 A nice suite is under $200 And Fremont St. itself is closed off to traffic and has a cover over it. Beer and drink vendors line the street and bands play up and down it. And you can walk from casino to casino with your drink in your hand.

The Golden Nugget, Binions, The 4 Queens, Sam Boyds...those are some legendary casinos. And The Golden Nugget has rooms that are just as nice as The Palms. These old school downtown casinos are also world famous for their poker tables.

It's just down the street from what is known as "the strip" today. And I'd be happy to drive whomever is in charge of planning events in Vegas down to Fremont St. and showing you around.

Hell, even events like D$ Players Ball could find a home on Fremont St. for a lot less outlay of cash for the building.

And the usual party that somebody will inevitably have at a strip club? That always turns into a b.s. affair as the strip clubs in Vegas have a deal with the taxi drivers to do kick backs.

But on Fremont St. You could walk out of The Golden Nugget. Take 50 steps across the street...grab a beer as your walking. And go right into "Glitter Gulch" strip club. Costs $20 to get in and they pay for your first 2 drinks as part of the $20

No need for cabs. No need for shuttles. No need for everybody to take out bank loans to come to Vegas for a show.

I know thats not what you were implying :)

As I said, I spend 5 min on the floor AT MOST, and I still buy a badge. Not because I need it to get done what I came to get done, but because I always have and If AVN is going to go to the trouble of putting it on I feel I need to contribute. I dont stay at the Palms (I like the separation of being able to go for the day, then come back to a sepsrate hotel thats not Jammed with industry folks and just relax, plus the hotel is possibly the single least realxig place to stay and the rooms are a joke).....so the badge is the only way Im accutaul contributing financialy and I will continue to do so.

The fact of the matter is, I love Vegas and I love to gamble so I always attend, but if the same show was moved at a hotel in Pittsburg they would be lucky to get people from the 3 rivers area to show up. On the flip side, If the Phx forum was moved to Pittsburg, Id grab a Steelers Jacket and get my ass on a plane.

I think (my opinion only) as opposed to adapting and being creative with their shows, AVN has sat back as the industry has shifted and 20 other shows they dont control have popped up (many of which are the shows people choose to attend if they are limited to only 1 or 2 events a yr). They just put the blinders on and keep the same model running and every yr make is smaller and smaller.

Its a bit sad to be honest. It wasnt that long ago hundreds of us were all going ape shit throwing CE foam tits around a 100% packed Miami show floor. Its kinda like watching my grandparents....they are in their 90s and need help, but they just say "we'll be fine". They need to be in a home and to make a change in their lifestyle because things are not the same for them as they were 10yrs ago. But instead the choose to put the blinders on, keep falling and hurting themselves and refuse to believe something is wrong.

That is the core of what I was trying to say. :)

That and if AVN are going to charge these prices for badges...then they should have a BIG presence at the show. Instead of charging sponsors to do everything...it would be nice to see the money we paid for our badges used for a lunch sponsored by AVN. Certainly they could carve out a bit of that money for some cheap chicken and potato salad. It would go a long way towards regaining some good will amongst folks

I agree, I gladly pay for a badge at Phoenix forum, they provide about $300 worth of food, open bar drinks and receptions. You easily make that money back over the 3 days without even factoring in the business aspect.
WG

Hello, I'm the informant. I myself will not attend this event.
Internext Roll Call:
Summarized as follows so far:

People that said they will go:

01 Wizzo
02 JFK
03 KGucci
04 Smiley
05 Evil Chris
06 Bugbee
07 Guerillavan
08 fuzebox
09 notime
10 LeRoy / DTI Cash
11 Vegas Ken
12 Rigue
13 emmanuelle
14 Honez
15 bossku69 and friends
16 Andy CHOOPA
17 RyuLion
18 Loch
19 Barefootsies
20 ShellyCrash
21 Roald
22 HookUPcom and Jimbo
23 Robbie


People that will not go:

01 Johnny G - no (financial restraints)
02 SleazyDream - no (can't afford flight)
03 MaDalton - no
04 media - no
05 Martin - most likely
06 AdultSpaceJeff - most likely
07 JayDeeZee - has been meaning to book it

to clarify - I'm bankrupt and restricted on income and a convention in Vegas would be scene as too elaborate in my monthly financial statements.... they'd view it as a holiday.

I DO want to go this year though

for all the shitting on internext everyone does I have to say this.

Internext is where I met the majority of the people I know in this business.

Internext was the first probally 4-5 shows I went to.

Internext was always an amazing experience for me.

I always made new connections and learned new things at internext.

do I agree with everything AVN does? hell no

mind you I don't think there is a single company out there where I agree with everything either.

Internext HAS done a LOT of good for a LOT of people in this industry, for a LONG time.

THANK YOU AVN.

Everyone has a different agenda.

If you're going because of biz then make prior meeting arraignments.
some for the seminars..
others just to hangout..
sales reps to hopefully get new clients..
all others just to party and bite ass..

Going to be a great show. It has been awhile since the last domestic usa show and I think the energy that people will bring to this show is going to be awesome. I expect to get a lot of biz done at this show!

Internext is one of the best shows, whoever is complaining they have no fucking clue

Gonna have to agree with you here Bako.

Wether a show has ROI is up to the people themselves, not the organiser or it's location/time.
They just facilitate it. I've never been to a show that was not good for network, roi, etc. Some deals just come later or maybe not at all, but the network remains active and grows stronger...

Not going is a bad decision if you ask me. Then they'll miss all the fun, the networking, the potential bizz directly and indirectly, now and maybe later. Next to all meeting the new players, the latest gossip, new smart intel, new cool trends, new amazing technologies, international goodies and new safe/cheap/chargeback free (local) billing methods.
That would be the last thing I would cut costs on to be honest in this economy IMO.

I look forward to seeing you. Glad you've decided to come to Michael's party in Montreal.

I will say its pretty funny when I tell people who aren't in the industry that I go to these shows, they always immediately assume there is a mass amount of ass and crazy stuff going on at these events. When I have to explain to them that its relatively dull, and few to no "talent" at the events. They are always very surprised.

While I understand the purpose of the shows is for business, we also enjoy a good time, and standing around at "parties" with a buncha dudes, gets a bit old. It never quite made sense to me to require talent to pay these fee's when they aren't the ones doing the business. They are basically there for atmosphere, which is going to keep people around longer, and networking longer. I think the phoenix forum was spot on for doing drastically reduced single day rates for talent.

This also may be why the casino bars seem to be the place to be. Better atmosphere, more variety of people, and doesn't feel quite so forced.

I know 2 years ago, the closing party was basically a ghost town, it was pretty sad.

I will not be going.

Last year I went, paid for badges, and while it was great meeting some faces here, it's simple not worth me flying from Thailand to Vegas for just 2 or 3 days, just so I can say I was there or get my party on. If I was already in Vegas or LA, I may swing by so I can bang Claudia Marie this time, but that's about it. :-)

I always read, "I did a lot of biz" there, but I just didn't see it. Everyone was drunk, buzzed or trying too hard with a sales pitch. It was more about the party, which is a turn off.

I'm I'm going to make such a long flight, it will be to go directly to the offices of a company to close a deal. Not to party in Vegas.

Robbie makes some EXCELLENT points in this thread, and I agree with all of them. The business has changed, AVN needs to change. Think outside the box for once, bring true value to this gathering and it may bring more guests in the future.

Marjie and I will be there!!!! Hit me up for any desired business and pleasure opportunities...

Correction: Thanks to an angel sent from heaven I will now be going to Las Vegas.

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