yes I do and just wrote it down

heh whatever

People here are so fucking hypocatic. Any of you who are bashing celeb sites please publish the URL of your 'leagal' website and I will name at least 10 laws that you are breaking. Free Porn is illegal, porn previews are illegal and so on. I won't even start with a list of countries you shouldn't travel to or you might be executed for what we all are doing.

Ok no to the ibill issue. I gotten the same from ibill and I have reacted. I send them emails of movie companies sending me content, I send them a lot of legal stuff but they still banned any site that has celeb in the domain. I kicked them from all my sites as soon as the notice came in and they are still processing my rebills. If they don't send out my payments for the rebills they will get sued due to fraud.

The problem I have that those people at ibill are totally unprofessional. I cannot talk to anyone in the legal departement by phone and those fucks don't answer emails. I have emails dating back as far as 1997 stateing that ibill has no problem with celebrity content. They better pay up or I will bring them more legal trouble than Norman Zadeh can.

IBill will be finished in the adult business because they suck ass when it comes to customer service. CCBill seems so much more sophisticated when it comes to that.

I will be using dutchbilling.com for now. I emailed them and they stated that they are ok with celebrity content. They are based in Holland and therefore US laws seem not to important to them.

Let's see now... GloBill doesn't want my business apparently, and I fear the same for CCBill. Any suggestions, peeps? Looking into that 200charge.com place, any experiences with that?

try to find a honest dialer company :Graucho to charge your visitors

May I suggest starting to practice these words,
"Welcome to McDonalds, may I take your order please?":1orglaugh

you won't see them post shit prostock, because if they do it, it's ok. I've seen'em many time on this board asking what's the best to down load music with. And then turn around and jump on someone else for having some Non Lic. content or the Lic. is screwed up. This world is full of fucking bigots or maybe I should say fucking ass holes. And then you've got the 1's that really enjoy it when someone is down or needs some help, they love it.

:)

This is correct... At least until they want something and use Kazaa to download it... then it's ok.

from their website:

To protect itself from unforeseen circumstances, DutchBilling will hold 10% of all transactions as a reseve for 6-months. This reserve covers DutchBilling in the event your site becomes unreachable, or there are other circumstances which will dramatically increase the potential for customer charge-backs or the need for customer refunds.
DutchBilling will charge USD 15.00 plus the value of the transaction per chargeback. A charge-back is an automatic debit of charges incurred plus an administrative fee by the merchant bank to compensate the issuing bank - which on behalf of a customer reversed a charge on that customer's credit card. There are a number of reasons a charge-back can occur. Most often it happens due to fraud.


that reserve is kinda high (10%..ccbill 5%) and they pass on the chargeback fees (ccbill doesn't)

However the fact that your money is being processed somewhere besides America is worth the extra cost.....

I think flashcash is ok,

but how is it legal to take screen shots of monster's ball?

I don't understand that... and about 10 other movies as well.


Surely the distributor doesn't allow screen shots to be sold to subscribers?

The problem is that Ibill are worried, they are worried some celeb includes them in a legal suit. They have money and are worth linking to you in a case.

Plus they are worried that if this gets back to Visa and blows up it makes them look bad.

Let's face it the Internet is changing and this is part of it. It will not happen over night but it's on the way.

What I have heard is that it has to do with laws regarding using the content for the purpose of review. For another example, think of video game sites taking screenshots of video games to review them.

I don't know if that is actually true, but I have seen a lot of people argue that point as being true.

Saying the people downloading mp3's for their own use is the same as selling content not licensed to you is insane. Now if I downloaded mp3's and burned them on cd and sold them then it would be the same thing. There is no comparing, its people that sell memberships to content they dont have a license give us all a bad name. I am not judging but some of us must be right when no third party processor wants to touch him, must say something.

andi_germany --

Every countries laws are different regarding porn.
Canada dif from US dif from Ger dif from Rus.

You're probably right about that. What pisses me off is that the copyright holders themselves, the only ones with real legal recourse, are not going after celebrity sites. It's the celebrities themselves, who have no legal right to the pictures, who are doing the harassing. Because it's cheaper to shut down the celebrity sites than it is to hire lawyers to fight the cases, the processors just bend over and fuck us.

Those of you who produce content, think of it like this - you have your models sign releases so that YOU own the pictures. There's nothing wrong with YOU going after infringers, but think how pissed you'd be if the models starting making bogus claims to owning YOUR content. That's what's happening here.

Even if you wouldn't think of dealing with celebrity content, realize this - it's just a matter of time before some group or governmental agency starts threatening lawsuits over what they deem "obscene" content, and a lot of you will be up shit's creek even though they don't have a valid legal claim. You think iBill is going to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars defending people that sell S&M content? Young teen content? Bullshit. VISA is already sticking their nose in our business these days - don't think for a second that when the shit hits the fan they'll just pull the plug on what is really a very minor portion of their business.

So, back on topic, what processor should I go with? :)

I suppose the RIAA shutting down free file sharing networks, free CD cover archives and threatening Universities and the US military academies with lawsuits isn't the same thing then? Bullshit. They don't care, it's still a violation of copyright law.

Again though, I'm not arguing that the movie studios and magazines don't have the right to enforce their copyrights - legally, they do. Problem is, they're not doing this, the celebrities themselves are using intimidation techniques to scare processors into shutting down the sites when they have NO LEGAL RIGHT to do so. It's a nasty trend, and people should be fucking outraged over it, because one of these days the same technique is going to be used against everyone.

I don't know why I bother to keep saying this shit.

I can tell you who is behing the whole thing. I have been dealing with the celeb issue behing the scenes for some time now. Perfect 10 is the one sending out all of the lawsuits.
They are the ones that caused adultcheck.com to pull all the celeb sites and are the ones suing Ibill and CCbill both.
So if you want somebody to rant and rave at turn your frustration to http://www.perfect10.com

You know an easy solution is to stop stealing other peoples Copyrighted work and using it illegally for your own profit??

:GFYBand

So I've heard as well. I wonder if Zadeh will actually produce a list of images that are in violation or if he's just hoping that his deep pockets will wear down the defendants.

You cannot cry copyright infringement on things you do not own the copyright to.

If I see pimpdogg breaking the fuck in your house and stealing shit, I can call the cops -- it is a criminal matter --

If I see pimpdogg using someones content and I know he didn't pay, I can't call the internet police or even fill out a DMCA on the owners behalf. All I can do is tell the owner and if he's not interested in pursuing it, that's all there is to it.