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have alot of sponsors given up?

11-22-2009, 10:00 AM

seems like alot more programs are on autopilot, trying to email and signup for different ones and often you get no email back,

it seems like email especially is not even being looked at by more and more of them, email is getting to be a frustrating thing often

see threads on here continually saying the same thing, "how do I contact...?"

looks like quite a few could care less if potential affiliates are out there and interested in promoting them

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11-22-2009, 10:02 AM

Yeah i think you are right there are a hell of alot of threads people asking how do i contact such and such. Kinda sucks really

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11-22-2009, 10:05 AM

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Yeah i think you are right there are a hell of alot of threads people asking how do i contact such and such. Kinda sucks really

At least if they would have the decency to email everyone letting them know and not to push their shit no longer. Its a daily issue where people post and complain about non payments or sponsor sites that are down for days.

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11-22-2009, 10:08 AM

Here's my two cents: I am currently re-designing PeabodyCash, my AP (see sig) and populating it with promo tools. I run everything myself so it's VERY easy to get ahold of me: email, ICQ, anything.

BUT with the larger programs I think they're going through 'shrinking pains', the opposite of 'growing pains', and they're scrambling, freaking out, trying to figure out how to just maintain their overhead, salaries, taxes, etc etc, so they're letting things slip. Either that, or they've decided 'fuck this shit' and are turning their attention towards mainstream or something and just letting their programs die.

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11-22-2009, 10:10 AM

Yeah it is just common decency to let the affiliates know, they have probably worked hard to promote them for years and then can't even get a reply from them.

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11-22-2009, 10:17 AM

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11-22-2009, 11:49 AM

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One door closes, another one opens. B2B is the only way to go these days.

Well, not "the only" way to go but it's sure getting close to that. Diversification almost dictates keeping one toe in everything you've done up to now but B2B is where it's headed. Now, can the 'small guys' keep up, merge, flourish, even DO a B2B business model?

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11-22-2009, 11:52 AM

This is only the tip of the iceberg tootsie.

Wait until you get into 2010. Many in this industry will be forced out.

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11-22-2009, 11:53 AM

i tried to sign up to xmovies over 3 weeks ago. still nothing depsite emailing them and asking why i never heard back.../

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11-22-2009, 04:53 PM

You can hit me up anytime D-Null we're always here trying to do biz with motivated affiliates
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11-22-2009, 05:10 PM

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11-22-2009, 06:53 PM

to say that the industry is in a state of transition, is a pretty big understatement. 2010 will be interesting

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11-22-2009, 07:00 PM

Alot of companies have gone under and more will follow.

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11-22-2009, 07:35 PM

When I get emails (ones sent directly to me or to support@) I try to reply to them right away. I never let an email go unanswered. I may be just a rep, but I do everything that I can to make sure that affiliates are taken care of as quick as possible.

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11-22-2009, 07:37 PM

Very well said. I am doing the same, I am redoing my cash site with ccbtools and contact info is very clear and people get answered 99% the same day.

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Here's my two cents: I am currently re-designing PeabodyCash, my AP (see sig) and populating it with promo tools. I run everything myself so it's VERY easy to get ahold of me: email, ICQ, anything.

BUT with the larger programs I think they're going through 'shrinking pains', the opposite of 'growing pains', and they're scrambling, freaking out, trying to figure out how to just maintain their overhead, salaries, taxes, etc etc, so they're letting things slip. Either that, or they've decided 'fuck this shit' and are turning their attention towards mainstream or something and just letting their programs die.

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11-22-2009, 09:14 PM

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11-22-2009, 09:26 PM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

This is only the tip of the iceberg tootsie.

Wait until you get into 2010. Many in this industry will be forced out.

It has begun...

Sad, but I think you are right.

IMO, a lot of programs are already running on razor thin margins and cant afford to pay $35 PPS or 60% revshare and expect to stay in business.

The larger programs have the advance with cross sale opportunities with their network of sites or upselling the customer to other products.

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11-22-2009, 10:03 PM

Maybe they got smart and started to phase out the affiliate model. Everyone knows it's a dead end road anyway. All programs should focus on internal traffic, because that is the future. Affiliates, your days are numbered.
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11-22-2009, 10:07 PM

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11-22-2009, 10:23 PM

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11-22-2009, 10:30 PM

This has turned very quickly into a sponsors SPAM thread, oh well don't most threads anyway? Some companies come and some companies go, just more going than usual right now.

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11-22-2009, 10:31 PM

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11-22-2009, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Les Grossman

Affiliates, your days are numbered.

Please.... let's see.. get traffic for practically $0 investment. Now having internal traffic is nice, but let's not overreact by thinking with the old "all eggs in one basket approach".

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11-22-2009, 10:58 PM

Originally posted by sharphead

Please.... let's see.. get traffic for practically $0 investment. Now having internal traffic is nice, but let's not overreact by thinking with the old "all eggs in one basket approach".

Exactly, diversification is very important.
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11-22-2009, 11:40 PM

Originally posted by sharphead

Please.... let's see.. get traffic for practically $0 investment. Now having internal traffic is nice, but let's not overreact by thinking with the old "all eggs in one basket approach".

Investment? Is that a joke?

Affiliate manager(s), cost of promo tools, etc. is as COST. This does not even get into the bandwidth and infrastructure to sponsor hosted galleries, movies, and alike. Or the cost of the production, more over the designer and other EXPENSES. As are these insanely huge PPS, or even 50% of the sign ups.

I do not know about you, but that "cheap affiliate model" is fairly costly from a BUSINESS OWNER perspective when you start adding up the TRUE COSTS of supporting a decent number of affiliates.

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11-23-2009, 02:29 AM

Originally posted by sharphead

Please.... let's see.. get traffic for practically $0 investment. Now having internal traffic is nice, but let's not overreact by thinking with the old "all eggs in one basket approach".

Are you serious? The affiliate model is very expensive, and becoming not worth the hassle and expense.

What is going to happen is, programs are slowing going to phase out the bulk of affiliates and only continue working with the top ones, while feeding their sites with internal traffic to pick up the slack. This is a MUCH cheaper model.

You guys can laugh it up now if you want. Please bookmark this thread and visit it again in 2 - 3 years. Lets see where the affiliate model is then. 80% of you won't be here, that much I know.
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11-23-2009, 02:44 AM

Originally posted by Les Grossman

80% of you won't be here, that much I know.

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11-23-2009, 02:51 AM

yeah, it does get annoying sometimes

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11-23-2009, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by Les Grossman

Are you serious? The affiliate model is very expensive, and becoming not worth the hassle and expense.

What is going to happen is, programs are slowing going to phase out the bulk of affiliates and only continue working with the top ones, while feeding their sites with internal traffic to pick up the slack. This is a MUCH cheaper model.

You guys can laugh it up now if you want. Please bookmark this thread and visit it again in 2 - 3 years. Lets see where the affiliate model is then. 80% of you won't be here, that much I know.

let alone the "promo tools" which are done one time, affiliates cost nothing.
There is no other way to get a swarm of people to work for you and be paid only for results.
Any in-house traffic manager will cost you, and by today's conversion ratios, will cost you more even if you get 100% of the profits.
There are a handfull of non-affiliate programs but they operate in small niches and the number of sales is limited.
The affiliate model is not going away soon. Just look at mainstream market who just realized the value of affiliates and are counting more and more on this model.

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11-23-2009, 03:44 AM

Originally posted by Les Grossman

Are you serious? The affiliate model is very expensive, and becoming not worth the hassle and expense.

What is going to happen is, programs are slowing going to phase out the bulk of affiliates and only continue working with the top ones, while feeding their sites with internal traffic to pick up the slack. This is a MUCH cheaper model.

You guys can laugh it up now if you want. Please bookmark this thread and visit it again in 2 - 3 years. Lets see where the affiliate model is then. 80% of you won't be here, that much I know.

I don't doubt it will happen but not in 2-3 years. People were saying the same thing 5 years ago and still, little has changed. Generating massive inhouse traffic is still expensive though. You either have to pay for traffic, most of which the quality is questionable or hire a team of people to make sites out the ass (which won't be instantly profitable).

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11-23-2009, 03:51 AM

I sure know we haven't..I think a lot of the big guys out there have their heads down working hard to get new things out there for those that want to work their way out of the current climate.
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11-23-2009, 03:54 AM

There was a thread here with programs that still update.

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11-23-2009, 04:29 AM

Originally posted by MisterPeabody

Here's my two cents: I am currently re-designing PeabodyCash, my AP (see sig) and populating it with promo tools. I run everything myself so it's VERY easy to get ahold of me: email, ICQ, anything.

BUT with the larger programs I think they're going through 'shrinking pains', the opposite of 'growing pains', and they're scrambling, freaking out, trying to figure out how to just maintain their overhead, salaries, taxes, etc etc, so they're letting things slip. Either that, or they've decided 'fuck this shit' and are turning their attention towards mainstream or something and just letting their programs die.

or perhaps, having done this a lot longer than you and having a ton of data to pull from, they've done a cost analysis of chasing affiliates and have decided to go in a new direction.

good luck going with the same business model people were failing with 10yrs ago.

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11-23-2009, 04:34 AM

well fraud is up too. alot of affiliates are going in for the quick score, carding etc. Basically, if something looks off when someone signs up, they just dont get approved.
If they ask why, of course we respond with our reasons. We are still on top of affiliate support just as much as ever.
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11-23-2009, 04:48 AM

Originally posted by 12clicks

or perhaps, having done this a lot longer than you and having a ton of data to pull from, they've done a cost analysis of chasing affiliates and have decided to go in a new direction.

good luck going with the same business model people were failing with 10yrs ago.

The hypocrisy being that those xsales you're buying are signups generated by affiliates.
The only one who failed here is you. You failed, several times, to make money the honest way and had to resort to shady tactics.
For several years your "contribution" was nothing more than bursting your already overinflated ego, which is really all you can show off.

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11-23-2009, 05:23 AM

Originally posted by darksoul

The hypocrisy being that those xsales you're buying are signups generated by affiliates.
The only one who failed here is you. You failed, several times, to make money the honest way and had to resort to shady tactics.
For several years your "contribution" was nothing more than bursting your already overinflated ego, which is really all you can show off.

I'm sure you're right.

what is it you do again?

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11-23-2009, 05:28 AM

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11-23-2009, 05:44 AM

too bad only a couple programs know how to generate traffic and seo.

Originally posted by Les Grossman

Are you serious? The affiliate model is very expensive, and becoming not worth the hassle and expense.

What is going to happen is, programs are slowing going to phase out the bulk of affiliates and only continue working with the top ones, while feeding their sites with internal traffic to pick up the slack. This is a MUCH cheaper model.

You guys can laugh it up now if you want. Please bookmark this thread and visit it again in 2 - 3 years. Lets see where the affiliate model is then. 80% of you won't be here, that much I know.
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11-23-2009, 06:13 AM

Our affiliates are banking hardcore still

Affiliate model still very very much alive

Not too many post on boards though
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11-23-2009, 07:32 AM

Originally posted by Agent 488

too bad only a couple programs know how to generate traffic and seo.

Considering 80% of the industry won't be here in 2 more years, those couple of programs who were smart enough to get on the ball, will be running things.
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11-23-2009, 07:33 AM

Originally posted by darksoul

affiliates cost nothing.
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11-23-2009, 07:55 AM

I'm here.. goddamn cash takes always good care of their affiliates..
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11-23-2009, 08:00 AM

We also have a great relationship with our affiliates.

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11-23-2009, 08:05 AM

I think those who make money are busy making money. Most people on gfy don't make anything. It's sort of the newb spot and the REALLY old vets. I only know of like 2 affiliates of mine that actually post on GFY. That's such a small fraction of a %.
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11-23-2009, 09:10 AM

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11-23-2009, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by Les Grossman

Are you serious? The affiliate model is very expensive, and becoming not worth the hassle and expense.

What is going to happen is, programs are slowing going to phase out the bulk of affiliates and only continue working with the top ones, while feeding their sites with internal traffic to pick up the slack. This is a MUCH cheaper model.

You guys can laugh it up now if you want. Please bookmark this thread and visit it again in 2 - 3 years. Lets see where the affiliate model is then. 80% of you won't be here, that much I know.

...no idea how this makes sense. I own, both paysites and directories, so I am an affiliate and I am also a paysite owner. I have 2 affiliate programs, and seriously, that does not make sense?!? Unless, of course, someone is just a cheapass and will not pay their sponsors for signups. Again, fucking selfishness....

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11-23-2009, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Barefootsies

Investment? Is that a joke?

Affiliate manager(s), cost of promo tools, etc. is as COST. This does not even get into the bandwidth and infrastructure to sponsor hosted galleries, movies, and alike. Or the cost of the production, more over the designer and other EXPENSES. As are these insanely huge PPS, or even 50% of the sign ups.

I do not know about you, but that "cheap affiliate model" is fairly costly from a BUSINESS OWNER perspective when you start adding up the TRUE COSTS of supporting a decent number of affiliates.

Hm, I am my own "affiliate manager", I design my own promo tools, I design, produce, post produce and shoot my own content... I do not see this "cost" that you are talking about. Sorry, BF, but I could not disagree more on this one. The bigger cost is paying my taxes every year and having a book keeper on standby and keeping my reciepts. And what is in my sig, is only a third of what I own...

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11-23-2009, 10:50 AM

A Lot of of programs have either closed down or are not paying webmasters.

2009 is the year where I have seen a lot of programs either quiting or not paying. Also a lot of webmasters, mostly small or average webmasters like gallery submitters, have quit and got a real job, because they can't pay their bills anymore.

Some gallery submitters are still trying to make a buck and working like slaves, submitting 5-10 galleries per day but they are stressed out because they can't keep their earnings, even by working harder than before. They will soon finish quiting and looking for new jobs.

I have never ever seen so many "I need a job" threads on GFY... never before like in 2009. Never seen so many "I'm selling my business and quitting for good" threads on GFY.

Do you want examples of this? Just do a search.
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11-23-2009, 12:02 PM

Boy...it sure seems like it sometimes......I don't understand how people can still be in business and ignore all communication....but it happens.

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