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11-23-2009, 06:38 AM

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What is there to believe? That the world hasn't changed in 10,000 years. That we still have crazy fanatics that always have to be looking for the end of the world.

It is sad that after 10,000 years we still can't breed the idiot out of our nature.

I get tired of hearing people say that the earth goes through cycles and this happened before and we are just going through another cycle.

What makes now different from the past is mankind and the things he's introduced into the environment in just the last 100 years or so that can potentially render the earth uninhabitable.

People need to understand just how balanced but fragile the ecosystem is and how fragile and critical the earth's atmosphere is and how neither is indestructible. Their loss would create a domino effect that would kill the earth. When I say kill the earth I mean that ALL living things would die making it a dead planet like Mars.

You would have to be an idiot to think that mankind can't make the earth uninhabitable.
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11-23-2009, 06:40 AM

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11-23-2009, 06:48 AM

Global warming lol...

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11-23-2009, 06:51 AM

those of you that have been screaming Conspiracy Theory regarding global warming were SOOOOOOOOOO RIGHT!
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11-23-2009, 06:54 AM

Originally posted by justinsain

I get tired of hearing people say that the earth goes through cycles and this happened before and we are just going through another cycle.

What makes now different from the past is mankind and the things he's introduced into the environment in just the last 100 years or so that can potentially render the earth uninhabitable.

People need to understand just how balanced but fragile the ecosystem is and how fragile and critical the earth's atmosphere is and how neither is indestructible. Their loss would create a domino effect that would kill the earth. When I say kill the earth I mean that ALL living things would die making it a dead planet like Mars.

You would have to be an idiot to think that mankind can't make the earth uninhabitable.

1. Where in my text that you quoted did I talk about ANYTHING cyclical.
2. What you quoted was in reference to the thought process of humans, ie. religion, need for end of world prophecies, etc.
3. The earth DOES go through cycles and it is FACT. We are able to know what climates were like over 1,000's upon 1,000's of years through ice or soil core data.
4. No where did I mention that man COULD NOT make the earth uninhabitable. But as of today there is no conclusion one way or the other that man is at this time having any affect at all. There are scientist crying on both sides of the fence. It is a matter of ONLY making up your mind who to believe as it is clear YOU are not a scientist or even uneducated on the subject outside of documentaries. These emails shed a harmful light on scientist who claim global warming is a real threat.
5. I have always been of the opinion that we NEED to stop polluting when we have the technology for safer means of energy. Unfortunately greed seems to put that on the slow track.

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11-23-2009, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Darkland

1. Where in my text that you quoted did I talk about ANYTHING cyclical.
2. What you quoted was in reference to the thought process of humans, ie. religion, need for end of world prophecies, etc.
3. The earth DOES go through cycles and it is FACT. We are able to know what climates were like over 1,000's upon 1,000's of years through ice or soil core data.
4. No where did I mention that man COULD NOT make the earth uninhabitable. But as of today there is no conclusion one way or the other that man is at this time having any affect at all. There are scientist crying on both sides of the fence. It is a matter of ONLY making up your mind who to believe as it is clear YOU are not a scientist or even uneducated on the subject outside of documentaries. These emails shed a harmful light on scientist who claim global warming is a real threat.
5. I have always been of the opinion that we NEED to stop polluting when we have the technology for safer means of energy. Unfortunately greed seems to put that on the slow track.

1. In post #5 you quoted yourself as saying cyclical.

2. I quoted your post as I was speaking to you and your views and not so much that quote specifically.

3. How can you say some scientist's data can't be believed and then say something else is FACT because the scientists have the data to prove it. A fact is a fact until it's been disproved.

4. If you believe that man could make the earth uninhabitable through his actions don't you think it would be prudent to take a proactive stance towards global warming? If it's not happening now couldn't we at least take precautions to prevent it from happening in the future.

5. I believe that mankind could very easily make the planet uninhabitable in numerous ways if left unchecked. It doesn't bother me one bit that global warming is a serious issue one way or the other. If they get it right it saves the planet. If it turn's out it wasn't true then it was just an inconvenience. I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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11-23-2009, 08:15 AM

Originally posted by Dcat

I just downloaded the zip with the docs and e-mails. I'm reading through them now..

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11-23-2009, 08:27 AM

Call For Independent Inquiry Into Climategate as Global Warming Fraud Implodes

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11-23-2009, 08:27 AM

Originally posted by justinsain

3. How can you say some scientist's data can't be believed and then say something else is FACT because the scientists have the data to prove it. A fact is a fact until it's been disproved.

You're not comprehending what I am saying. As far as US causing global warming, that is divided into two camps of scientists. Those who think WE are the cause and those who do not.

I was merely stating that it is PROVEN FACT accepted by ALL scientists that the earth goes through climate cycles in connection with CO2 levels. They have traced back over 70,000 years, computing data taken from ice cores. It clearly shows cycles of warming and cooling trends each preceding higher or lower levels of CO2.

The only thing up for debate is if man is causing this newer warming cycle, which in fact seems to all ready be ending, to occur faster than its cyclical counterparts.

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11-23-2009, 08:36 AM

This whole climate change bullshit is just cover for the New World Order camp to bring in their world government. Just search "world government" in google news. Tons of headlines openly talking about it.
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11-23-2009, 08:44 AM

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11-23-2009, 08:55 AM

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11-23-2009, 09:01 AM

Honestly when I click open a web page with lots of sarah palin tour ads, I'm not expecting neutral reporting.

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11-23-2009, 09:11 AM

Parts of a news report not included in the blogs:
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"Gavin Schmidt, a research scientist with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the e-mails offer no damning indictment of climate researchers, and that bloggers are reading information in them out of context.

"There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax," he told Threat Level. "There's no funding by nefarious groups. There's no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There's nothing hidden, no manipulation.

"It's just scientists talking about science, and they're talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way."

Trenberth agrees.

"If you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists," he says. "The unfortunate thing about this is that people can cherry pick and take things out of context."
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11-23-2009, 09:15 AM

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Parts of a news report not included in the blogs:
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"Gavin Schmidt, a research scientist with NASA's Goddard Institute for Space Studies, says the e-mails offer no damning indictment of climate researchers, and that bloggers are reading information in them out of context.

"There's nothing in the e-mails that shows that global warming is a hoax," he told Threat Level. "There's no funding by nefarious groups. There's no politics in any of these things; nobody from the [United Nations] telling people what to do. There's nothing hidden, no manipulation.

"It's just scientists talking about science, and they're talking relatively openly as people in private e-mails generally are freer with their thoughts than they would be in a public forum. The few quotes that are being pulled out [are out] of context. People are using language used in science and interpreting it in a completely different way."

Trenberth agrees.

"If you read all of these e-mails, you will be surprised at the integrity of these scientists," he says. "The unfortunate thing about this is that people can cherry pick and take things out of context."
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