man gets arrested and could get 5 years for doing the right thing (UK)

[DVTimes]

http://www.clownx.com/?p=3542

the uk is mad these days.

[NaughtyRob]

That is just fucking stupid.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by GetNaughty

That is just fucking stupid.

thats uk law for you these days.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Jesus fucking christ.

I don't even know what to say about shit like this. It took a jury 20minutes and they decided the guy was guilty? people are so, so, so fucking stupid.

It makes me rage how fucking retarded people are.

[L-Pink]

Wow, that is definitely wrong. Imagine having a criminal attack you, you wrestle his gun away only to face mandatory prison for doing so.

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[JayAllan]

That is fucking retarded! Shit like this just makes me angry.

J

[SleazyDream]

the jury should all be shot with illegal firearms

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

I can't possibly see this guy actually doing time over this. It's absolute madness if he does. Charged, alright ok, if they want to impose their stupid fucking law in this way, so be it. If they actually sentence him to serve time over it, they are fucking insane. What the fuck is going wrong with the UK these days? Seriously, you guys are in worse fucking shape than the States by a long shot....

[CDSmith]

It's better to report something like that anonymously from a pay phone and then walk away. A lot of cops will nab you for something if they can, even if you're doing the right thing.

Kind of reminds me of the guy in the US who reported some child porn site to local police, legitimately thinking he was doing the right thing, then later having the cops barge into his place and arrest him on obscenity charges. They took all his computer equipment and made his life hell for a while. Happened maybe 8 or 9 years ago I think, heard about it on one of the wm boards.

[Bella_s]

That is stupid. I can't believe that he is in trouble for that.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

I can't possibly see this guy actually doing time over this. It's absolute madness if he does. Charged, alright ok, if they want to impose their stupid fucking law in this way, so be it. If they actually sentence him to serve time over it, they are fucking insane. What the fuck is going wrong with the UK these days? Seriously, you guys are in worse fucking shape than the States by a long shot....

true

i do not think you will find many in the uk defending the law these days.

bvasicly if you find a gun in the uk, just walk away. if a kid pics it up and shoots somone or himself, so be it. no point doing the 'right thing' these days.

i hate living in england at the moment to be honest.

the old ussr had more freedom, plus they got the trains to run on time, we do not even have that.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by allanuk

true

i do not think you will find many in the uk defending the law these days.

bvasicly if you find a gun in the uk, just walk away. if a kid pics it up and shoots somone or himself, so be it. no point doing the 'right thing' these days.

i hate living in england at the moment to be honest.

the old ussr had more freedom, plus they got the trains to run on time, we do not even have that.

Its only a matter of time before they have surveillance in your homes and are marching you off to the work camps in shackles by the thousands for loading the toilet paper rolls backwards. Seriously, some of the stuff I read about the UK is just mindboggling. I feel sorry for anyone living in that shit hole. They're really really tearing away your rights over there. I'd rather live in the States...

[DVTimes]

http://www.pointoflaw.com/archives/2...an-faces-j.php

No evidence contradicted the defendant's testimony that he intended to assist law enforcement officers, and much evidence supported the story. Nonetheless, jurors took only 20 minutes to find Clarke guilty. Why? Because jurors were told that the law under which Clarke was charged was a "strict liability" offense, meaning that Clarke was automatically guilty of illegal possession regardless of his intent. This case is another example of how the erosion of traditional mens rea requirements in the criminal law is leading to the conviction of ordinary citizens.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Its only a matter of time before they have surveillance in your homes and are marching you off to the work camps in shackles by the thousands for loading the toilet paper rolls backwards. Seriously, some of the stuff I read about the UK is just mindboggling. I feel sorry for anyone living in that shit hole. They're really really tearing away your rights over there. I'd rather live in the States...

if i had the cash i would move to the states.

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Angry Jew Cat

Its only a matter of time before they have surveillance in your homes and are marching you off to the work camps in shackles by the thousands for loading the toilet paper rolls backwards. Seriously, some of the stuff I read about the UK is just mindboggling. I feel sorry for anyone living in that shit hole. They're really really tearing away your rights over there. I'd rather live in the States...

by the way you say you or joking but they are now asking people to spy on there nabours in the uk.

also they have given somthing like 86 departments the right to spy on you in the uk, inc local authporoties, fire service, and so on. they can soon have access to your phone records, emails, sites you visit and so on.

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by allanuk

if i had the cash i would move to the states.

I wouldn't blame you at all. If I had to choose one first-world nation that was driving straight for a people's revolution, the UK has got to be it. Shit is gonna get real volatile over there one of these days judging by the news that's coming out from there. People can only deal with so much shit before they start snapping...

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by allanuk

by the way you say you or joking but they are now asking people to spy on there nabours in the uk.

also they have given somthing like 86 departments the right to spy on you in the uk, inc local authporoties, fire service, and so on. they can soon have access to your phone records, emails, sites you visit and so on.

I'm not joking at all. I remember reading not too long back some news articles on the idea that they wanted to actually put surveillance in the homes of "trouble" children to monitor them and their parents to be sure that they are paying attention to their school work and shit. or something along those lines. That's just insane.

And the cameras on the streets with speakers so that the surveillance crews can bark orders at you when they catch you doing something they deem "wrong" like jay walking or littering.

I know closed circuit surveillance cameras are a huge thing over there with one or more on pretty much every single block.

It's pretty damned crazy really. No joking...

[MaDalton]

it took a few years longer than George Orwell thought...

[baddog]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

Wow, that is definitely wrong. Imagine having a criminal attack you, you wrestle his gun away only to face mandatory prison for doing so.

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Sounds like that is what the law says. Zero tolerance.

For the people blaming the jury, it is not their fault that the law is what it is. The question is, what will the court sentence him to?

The article makes it sound like it is a mandatory five years. I don't know British judges at all. Will they go against the book?

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

Originally Posted by baddog

For the people blaming the jury, it is not their fault that the law is what it is. The question is, what will the court sentence him to?

Why even have a jury then, and why would it take them 20 minutes if their opinion didn't matter anyways?

[L-Pink]

Originally Posted by baddog

The article makes it sound like it is a mandatory five years. I don't know British judges at all. Will they go against the book?

"Mr Clarke now faces a minimum of five year?s imprisonment for handing in the weapon."

I'm fucking speechless.

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[brassmonkey]

Originally Posted by baddog

Sounds like that is what the law says. Zero tolerance.

For the people blaming the jury, it is not their fault that the law is what it is. The question is, what will the court sentence him to?

The article makes it sound like it is a mandatory five years. I don't know British judges at all. Will they go against the book?

damn a jury found him guilty where's the prime minister or whatever the fuck u call them this is in-justice i never trust police.

[dav3]

Wow, way to show respects to a soldier who risked his life serving that shithole of a country, only to be fucked by it.

Truly insane.

[DaddyHalbucks]

Here's a link:

http://www.thisissurreytoday.co.uk/n...l/article.html

[Angry Jew Cat - Banned for Life]

This is definitely something the public should be in an uproar over. Shame you're not going to see that, and an innocent man is going to rot away for 5+ years in a cell.

[CYF]

don't they have jury nullification in the UK? I would have voted "not guilty"

[Supz]

just like the good Samaritan law

[cykoe6]

The UK has gone completely off the rails.

[blonda80]

this is fucked up

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by CYF

don't they have jury nullification in the UK? I would have voted "not guilty"

They do, but most people aren't aware of its existence.

[DamianJ]

Originally Posted by allanuk

i hate living in england at the moment to be honest.

Leave then.

I hate it when people complain about something they can really easily change.

You live on your own in a council house. You have no family, no ties to England at all.

So fuck off if you don't like it.

Simples.

[seeandsee]

uk is da shit!

[onwebcam]

Lawyers, judges, cops, the governments alike make their living off of people doing "crimes" By him turning in that weapon he's taking a perfectly good weapon off the street which could have been used in a crime for them to prosecute. And those jury members can't wait for someone to come and kick in their doors wielding a weapon ready to rob, rape and kill them. A lot of the rest of the populace would probably just shrug their shoulders if they found out it was the cops who did it.

[Phoenix]

he should convert to islam...the uk will suck his cock for free and maybe waive his taxes for a few years

[NickB.]

1. serving your country as a military
2. serving your country getting illegal guns off the street
3. handing it over to cops

He should get a medal

[Dirty Dane]

I think there is more to that story

[thunder99]

While there is no way the guy should have been charged or go to prison, it was kinda stupid picking the gun up and taking it to the police station.

If I found a gun in my back garden, there's no way I'd touch it. I'd ring the cops and let them come collect it. You'd have no idea what the gun was used for and having your fingerprints on it or smudging existing prints would be a risk I wouldn't be willing to take.

[awxm]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I think there is more to that story

[halfpint]

Well this is good publicity for our Uk police forces when they have these days when you can hand in weapons, People will be afraid to hand any thing in, Wow just wow the UK justice system just gets more and more stupid by the day

[tranza]

Damn that is ridiculous..

[CaptainHowdy]

Good deeds need to be punished every once in a while...

[DVTimes]

Originally Posted by Dirty Dane

I think there is more to that story

i bet there is not.

this is what uk law is like these days.

[DVTimes]

but remember if you do a real crime, you do get punished - not:

100 rapists are let off with a caution: The serious offences that never come to court

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ome-court.html

[kowalsky]

That´s the blind way to apply law. Stupid.

[dirtymind]

i don't think they can do this, i am sure if they lock him up, it will cause problems with human rights organisation no matter what the law is, this sounds very much like china, we made the law so we apply to the letter. Its just insane to ruin some ones life just because its a written law that is so not correct.

This would mean that every one owning a fire arm is in trouble, but geuss they made some exceptions for police men and soldiers, then they should also put an exception for people returning, no matter if that is a police station.

[Dirty Dane]

Originally Posted by allanuk

i bet there is not.

this is what uk law is like these days.

Well, it sounds too crazy to be true. Are you sure it's not just "one of those odd ones" and not UK ?

[cherrylula]

LOL he may be lieing about *finding* the gun. Probably more to story and media is just running with it, the military never comments on these type of things until case is settled.

[San]

only in America

[cherrylula]

Originally Posted by dirtymind

i don't think they can do this, i am sure if they lock him up, it will cause problems with human rights organisation no matter what the law is, this sounds very much like china, we made the law so we apply to the letter. Its just insane to ruin some ones life just because its a written law that is so not correct.

minimum mandatory type sentencing is controversial in America, it takes away power from judges and juries to make any decisions, there are non profits fighting it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_sentencing

there are people in the us that get 6 months mandatory jail for a single marijuana joint.