You DO realize that most people that commit capital murder are habitual offenders, or at the very least, criminals who have no problems going to prison, right? Ignorant people seem to think that "oh sending him to prison is more punishment" but all they do in prison is sell drugs, form gangs, and kill people.

Yes, all prisoners sell drugs, form gangs and kill people behind bars.


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Either you're a bitch, or someone made you their bitch.

Read above.

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I guess my point in all of this is that I am not a fan of continuing to do something even when it doesn't work. The numbers don't lie. Having the death penalty does not lower the crime rate or reduce the number of capitol crimes. So unless there is some way for us to un-politicize the process where both sides are completely honest during the court case so we can be a certain as possible that the accused is guilty then we won't be reducing the legal process surrounding the death penalty any time soon.

If it doesn't work, doesn't change anything and the process isn't going to be changing anytime soon then why continue to do it and waste the money?

I would be all for it if it were carried out consistently: same standards for everyone.

That means that if someone who got executed was later found to be innocent, all those responsible would get prosecuted for kidnapping and premeditated murder. Politicians, judge, jury, police, voters, etc.

And, of course, "we thought he was guilty" isn't an acceptable defense - just like "I accidentally killed the wrong guy" isn't a defense in any other murder case.

I think they should have a referendum on it. People get to vote on whether they want the death penalty to be used or not, and if they vote in favor, then they will be held responsible the moment it is found out that an innocent person got executed.

Yes because this is EXACTLY what I said. Dumbass

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I see your point only to some extent. The real point is that certain people deserve death and we should give it to them.

I can't argue against that. For example. I feel that anyone who molests/sexually abuses kids can't be rehabilitated. They are just defective people and can't be let loose in society. People like that do deserve death.

so much anger :1orglaugh did you punch that space behind your bedroom door :Oh crap j/k that was funny as hell

I've had friends that spent a lengthy time in federal pound me in the ass prison. My uncle was in prison for 6 years, went in a skinny little punk and came out a fatass... Said all he did was sit in his cell, read, watch tv, go eat breakfast, lunch, and supper, went outside, went to the gym, showered, did some light work for the prison, and spent 6 years not having to worry about any bills, taxes, living expenses, or if he was gonna be able to afford to eat something that day.

He actually only worried about winning a hand of poker where someone bet a couple of packs of smokes, so he would have his cigarettes for the week.

I would be all for it IF it would be carried out swiftly. Which will never happen.

Yes, there is and will always be a small % of people wrongly convicted who have to die; then it comes down to the question is losing one life worth saving others?

I do think swift executions would be a deterrent and violent crime levels would drop; however there are many people not afraid to die, to whom this would probably be what they are seeking.

With that in mind, I propose that instead of being put to death, they are put into extreme torture situations. If you ask someone "not afraid to die" what they are afraid of, I'd wager many say torture or dying in a painful, drawn-out way.

Extreme torture would likely be a great deterrent and in the unfortunate cases where they have the wrong person, while they will be put through quite an ordeal, they still have a small chance at recovery unlike death.

i prefer a well run gulag to a death penalty that can kill innocents. there are too many stupid people (OJ verdict) in courtrooms to leave death up to them.

prison is a dark place its the lifers u have 2 worry about

The OJ case had absolutely nothing to do with the jury, and everything to do with a combination of a shitty case put on by the prosecution, allowing Mark Fuhrman to testify, and OJ's defense team doing a magnificent job at raising a reasonable doubt.

but people should not be afraid of their government, the government should be afraid of the people...

Pretty much. Definitely can't blame the jury.

Castration would be a bigger deterrent and reduce aggression. One nut for 1st offence. Nobody will risk that.

I would probably be for it except that it doesn't work like it should do in practice and it costs more to kill someone then to let them rot behind bars. Probably much harder to live life behind bars then to get executed anyway.

You DID read what I wrote, didn't you? I want them to suffer in prison, not read books, watch tv, lift weights, etc. Besides, if "most people that commit capital murder are habitual offenders" then killing them is nothing TO THEM. So having the death penalty means nothing TO THEM. I wonder if having a place where they will have to work and suffer for the rest of their lives would make them think twice. Some maybe, some maybe not, but obviously they are not afraid of the death penalty, according to your statement.

By the way, saying I am ignorant because I want them to suffer in jail is just as ignorant as saying "all they do in prison is sell drugs, form gangs, and kill people."

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let em swing, rope is cheaper than electricty anyway

The death penalty is the easy way out for the guilty.

It degrades the society that commits legal murder...We all end up with blood on our hands.

Look at societies that have low crime rates see why....

Prevention is the only way forward.

Countries that have the death penalty are barbaric.
China, Saudia A, Russia, USA etc

Society should be above the level of the murderer and the understandable rage of the victim.

It is also a problem that the death penalty will always only be for the poor, those who can't afford the lawyer to get them off.

Let it be that only murderers murder, and we just stop them from doing it again.

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death is the easy way out

If you did the crime you should die. But I've seen too many people released after years in jail for crimes they didn't commit. If in the UK we had a death penalty still, many of those innocent people would be dead. That's just not good enough. I would rather the guilty spend life in prision but live than see one single innocent person die. So for that alone I'm very much against it.

Unfortunitley I just can't choose. I am neither for, nor against.
On a debate like this, there are simply too many variabes.
Just one at the top of my head
Why should one murderer die and another murderer live? Who determines these questions?

Maybe it depends on what the victims family would like, but that would just bring in a whole range of issues.

So meh.