I got suckered into buying his content too back in the day....looks like now I can piss on them entirely instead of hoping I'd be able to use them for www.rateyourbeatenho.com .... ahh well, I was getting too cushy with not reading between the lines in too many deals...I was bound to get burnt sooner or later =D

Not according to Dave Clark.

He told me 50%+

va2k--

Damn. that sucks dude. I just had a whole bunch of feeders done with that content. Who was the company Magic Man was brokering for?

Yeah I've about had it buying the "cheap" content.
Seems it is just as useful as "cheap" hosting.

I got in on that $250 deal as well. Found this thread
by accident.

I will contact MagicMan and see what happens. If
his content really is illegal then he'll be screwed.

I have his full name, address and phone number,
verified because I called him to confirm that his
info is legit.

Seemed like a pretty nice guy so I'll cut him
some slack until this shit gets sorted out.

Luc L.

little piece of bitch, could somebody organize a mass beating of the fucker? I bought content but now it looks like its unusable

MagicMan 12/4/200 10:08 AM fine dude if you QUESTIONING her age then i
will send you out snail mail a copy of her ID
with her address etc blacked out
where do you want me to send it??

THATS THE sam shit he told me last week argh HERE anyone want to call this FUCKING cock smoker
tom aka content provider / tgp builder
252-212-8278

its his real phone number i have talked to him several times I knwo where he lives and if i was allowed to fucking drive I would be at his fucking place with a knife to slash his fucking tires and a ball bat to bash this fucks brains in YES im threating him YES if i ever see him i will do bodly harm NO I DONT CARE how much troubel I will get in for putting it on a public board HE FUCKED me in the goats ass and fucked a lot of my friends HIS ASS WILL BE mine.

I never get pissed about shit like somone fucking me over and I have been screwed several times but when it comes to going to jail and shit I WILL Go after anyone, Argh :321GFY TOM DAVIS

Jesus. What a mess. :(

here is some of the incomming icq messages i got and was in talks with him over the last few months it all comes together when you read everything,

You have received a message!
hey dude still no word from that photographer i am getting a bit worried about this
and i know it puts you in a bind
i am just trying to keep you updated if it was my site i would take down those pics for Yuli until i get this resolved
I wish i had better news ;o))
You have received a message!
i am sure i will hear back from him when i was doing the content deal sometimes it took him a few days to get back in touch so hold tight my friend i just wanted you to know
You have received a message!
Tom i wanted to touch base with you on the YULI id you need when i purchased all this content from the photographer and he sent me model releases (which i have for each girl) i did not get a copy of them with their picture ID (i can't believe it) but i have contacted the photographer i purchased the content from (by e-mail and by phone too) i have not heard back from him


You have received a message!
but i NEED MONEY today ASAP

You have received a message!
well if you sell 2 sets for me its yours
and every other set you sell for $200 you get $50 today
i have to get my truck on the road dude

You have received a message!
hey i just got out of the HOLE in paypal
look i will sell 9000 pics and 85 movies for $200
any you sell i will pay you $50 per set sold are you interested??

You have received a message!
dude i need to raise some cash right now
my truck broke down last nite

You have received a message!
i had that big charge back last week over $400 bucks
that $40 you sent just went towards paying that off ;o))

You have received a message!
i need to sell $300 worth of content tonite
$200 is to get my paypal account straight and $100 is for me ;o))

I hope you aren't buying flat chested, ponytailed teens.
If your surfer thinks she doesn't look old enough, did she look old enough to you when you purchased the pics?

Playing the "youngest teens allowed by law" game is offensive and dangerous. Hope that's not the case here.

va2k--
Nice info. Can you post the url again to the company he was brokering for?

I want to see if my sites are salvagable.

50 BIATCH!

No shit. Where's the fucking proof huh? :Graucho

You have received a message!
http://www.buy-film-ready.com/

finding out more the content he was selling for them THEY were giving out for FREE!@#$

as you can see from their free CONTENT area http://www.buy-film-ready.com/free.html

he was selling shit that was allready to be given out for FREE!@#$

If I told you once I told you a hundred times.

If you publish adult content get the 2257 documents, if the supplier refuses to give them change to another supplier. I even went out and paid a lawyer who knows about this stuff and is prepared to put it in print on the net.

The Law #1

The Law #2

The lawyers opinion

There are many reasons to get the documents and check them yourself. You can see they exist, verify are correct, the model agreed to be sold, the models are of a legal age. If the content provider goes out of busines, retires, dies or for some unknown reason falls out with you, you are still covered.

So if you bought content and did not get the 2257 or pay a lawyer for his opinion, I'm sorry I have no sympathy for you. You are in the adult busines and if you do not know we are targets for harrassment, you should not be in it.

A thread not so long ago on this subject was about a guy who set himself up as the "Authenticator of Records" when he posted up the ID (he had checked) and was shown it was an obvious fake, he had to ask for more IDs.
Or the guy who said he was best qualified to check a US ID, more so than his clients. What kind of ID are his models using, US driving license, Social Security Card?

You buy from clowns like that you deserve what you get.

Hey tom :) wasn't he brokering for Max Candy too?

you know at first I was going to say FUCK YOU cock smoker,
but then I re read it and ya know you are 100% right, this is nobodys fault but mine. I have read your post about this before never even gve it a 2nd thought, allways thought of you as a wanker. Now I wish I would of read and took what you said and used it, only person I can blame is myself. I trust too many damn people, I never thought it would happen to me. what a big wad of shit that was dumped on my face.


Thanks charly my thinking of ya has changed a little ya still a wanker but at least ya nothing like me :helpme

again Charly Thanks for opening my phat eyes up

TOM

mn i have no freaking idea anymore, I can show all my logs of our talks he tells me he shot it all, then says he only shot the blk chick, then says he didnt shoot any of it that somone else he knows, hell from the other post about him nad his company ya can see he said he even TALKED to yuil etc... I was being played all along and didnt catch on. What a smuck I am :feels-hot

But they do not supply 2257 with the set, you have to go cap in hand to them.

They also deal with lots of Russian and Ukrainian photographers. Your call.

Aaron, I will tell you about the time I met a broker in Vegas last year. He had 20 of my sets and to date had sent me $100. We met in his penthouse suite.

His excuse for not selling more was he did not have enough of my sets.

On what he made on my stuff if that was the average he got he could not afford the Greyhound bus fare to Vegas.

Did he shave? Who knows.

Heh, back in October he asked me for a loan of $50 because his friend got busted and he needed cash for bail. Glad I didn't give him the money....I have to strongly worry about anyone so strapped for cash they have to start asking their clients to borrow money.

Damn I forgot all about that he asked for 150.00 I almsot did it too. damn i forgot about that... I have left him a message on his voice mail Told him the id's and shit better be here by tomorrow or i will c all the local police in his town a lawyer and go after him any way i can.. Just hoped this would of been avoided ya know. DAYMN :BangBang:

No problem.

I may come across badly, but you have to remember the years I been doing this.

I've been dealing with some magazine companies for over 20 years, does that give me the right to submit material without IDs and MRs.

NO

The fact that someone posts on the same board as me does not make him my friend and in no way gives me the idea I can trust him. Some of you guys still act like we are all campus buddies.

Some of you guys still act like we are all campus buddies
OH how so true. I guess when ya naive or how ever ya spell it and to trusting you will get it hard. I know this has caused me alot of heart ache I like to post stupid shit and see how others react and get a laugh out of people this shit like this thread is tearing me up... This type of shit ruins people and I am not into ruining peoples live, BUT daymn im not goign to trust NO ONE but a few that has stuck it out with me over the few years I have been doing this well april will be 2 years argh#$% im going to go and work on virginia I been talking with a great friend and have a great idea just hope the signups WONT drop thanks again


TOM

Damn str8.
Let me hear it from the horses mouth.
As you can see taking other people word/vouches gets you in trouble, because most of the time like charly said...people just don't know the facts.

I'm glad I hadn't deployed any of the material yet.

:Graucho

well, where is the pic? I want to see what your talking about.

Will do Tam, I will hit you chat with you just as soon as I hear something. I just put in the form today...waiting on a response.

Andy

shit... if it isn't one thing it's another. sorry to hear about the prob va2k.

it looks like honesty and a handshake to seal a deal is way out of fashion.

the moral to be learned i guess is trust no one and cover your ass 10 different ways from sunday.

as the saying goes 'just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you'

Hey don't let this damn thread get burried, I want this cock smoker to be seen for a few days and nights. :feels-hot

Charly, yes that was my point, Web-Legal is one of the companies I checked out. Webmasters buy content through them from countries of dubious ethics and morals. From what i saw it basically looked like they'd take biz from anybody from anywhere who signed a piece of paper declaring they own the content and supplied ID's. Well anybody who ever bought fake ID as a teenager knows how easy that is.

Nobody can be 100% positive that the ID provided by a model is legit. Good fakes are not that hard to come by.
I forget the details about the Traci Lords case, but she must have shot for literally hundreds of video companies and photographers, many i'm sure with great reputations, but she got by all of them for years with some kind of fake ID that everybody accepted as real.

His long diatribe about why he doesn't supply photocopies of model ID's was very strange to me, i didn't buy his argument.

As for brokers shaving sales on photographers, i've seen nothing on the two broker sites I've poked around that would give the photographer any assurance that it can't be done or isn't being done.
The Net is a vast place, photographers/videographers are usually way in the background, the easiest people to fuck over.

Hi Mutt
Yes his argument was that he was trying to protect the annonimity of the girls. Like girls in Russia and the Ukraine, after they have had their pussies all over the net.

The ID he checked and verified was from a photographer who suplied him with lots of work. From which I asumed that ID matched all the others he had, therefore that was faked so the others must be as well. Or tha faked ID was so different his method of checking was flawed.

He also said he had advise from 4 different lawyers who said his system was right. Can't understand a lawyer saying that.

Now I have put the links on my front page to letters from an attorney who clearly states webmaster are publishers and required to have the 2257 documentation on their premises.

Webmasters, you are in an ADULT business. So act like adults. If you do not have the 2257 documents. You are relying on luck, fate and a strangers honesty to keep you out of trouble.

fuck anonymity. they know what r they doing and get money for that.

person's ID is a MUST. no ID - no deal.

btw why would someone buy 'legal teens' that look underage?

:2 cents:

Is Alien007 actually Lovematch?

They have (or had) the same:

1. cheap content
2. web site name
3. icq name (ie: magicman)
4. tragic family stories
5. proclivity to use the term 'dude' in every sentence

...just wondering?

This topic about 2257 models ID´s and so on has been up to god damn many times to even count anymore.
Still people keep buying undocumented content and every now and then we see them getting screwed or even worse, into legal trouble!

I couldent have said it better then AaronM:
Do some research into who your dealing with and find out if they supply ID´s of the girls for which you are buying content!!!

I think posting about "your" problems is a good thing as a shitload of webmasters read GFY and that brings awareness, but you shouldent have been in this spot in the first place!

IF you do not know the legal info about this topic i suggest you read charlies posts more thurrel.
And if you are in doubt ask your provider if they hand out the ID´s for the models.....

because underage sells. Sad the kind of society we live in

The guys who do teen content will tell you what sells--

an 18+ woman who looks like a 12 year boy with a pussy.

pretty fucking sad, but that is the reality.

Jeezus...

When Pornbroker mentioned the name Lovematch, I just got a flashback.... Is this the same guy who was offering Max Candy plugins and fantastic deals and was having so called problems with his business partner... also claiming that content providers were scared because of the deals he was offering?

* IF * it is, he was offering a plugin with Japanese models which was legally questionable in my opinion. I have no written proof, so I will have to be careful what I write here, but the phone conversation I had with this guy around a year ago was enough to convince me not to do busines with him and end the conversation. He has tried to contact me on several occasions since, and I do not want any communication with this person whatsoever. I would not trust him in the slightest. IF it is him, I would not use any of his content and get a good wiping utility, if you do use it, it's your choice.

Wish you the best of luck.

Yea well im wiping my shit clean if the guy you talked to said his name was TOM davis then yes that is him screw him YA HEAR THAT TOM DAVIS YA OWNED! Ya day will be comming soon cock smoker :feels-hot

va2k,

sorry mate, I genuinely can't remember the person's name. I can remember he said 'dude' every 15 seconds which was frigging annoying if that's any help. I only have his ICQ handle and business name, and they are on our blacklist.

LoveMatch isn't Tom Davis.

So, did anything else ever develop with this? I notice his site no longer exists.