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Megan Essog 10-26-2009 11:36 AM
This is a great review... makes me SERIOUSLY consider updating my home PC. Still on the fence though might just suck it up and buy a mac.... :)

NOTR 10-26-2009 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by pentae (Post 16466443)
some cheap junk from china they put together in their basement.
Don't want to start debating but turn your mac book pro around and look at the made in china label.

Meeper 10-26-2009 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by pentae (Post 16466443)
Whats even more hilarious is the stats. Mac users have more income, more toys, better cars, better sex lives and generally have spent a lot of time using windows as well. The guys calling them fanboys on the other hand have very limited experience with a mac.

The latest research in consumer purchasing behaviour also point out that mac guys are more likely to own multiple machines and operating systems including a windows pc, and more gadgets around the home.

Sadly, people who bash macs usually fall into this stereotype: They have not used a mac in the last 5 years, only know windows and pc's, and are ignorant low income idiots running on some cheap junk from china they put together in their basement.

But hey, if bashing on people who are generally better than you in most ways makes you feel better about your substandard computing experience, troll on. :thumbsup Please don't ever consider buying a mac, we're very happy not having you on our platform.

I've had the pleasure of using Windows 7 and its actually quite a great OS by microsoft standards- and does have the same feel of the old NT Core. It boots nicely on my Macbook Pro, and it runs games at a slightly quicker FPS, but chews the battery and startup/shutdown times are noticeably slower.
Really? Better sex lives because you use a mac over a pc? :1orglaugh I would love to see those stats.

quantum-x 10-26-2009 11:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by pentae (Post 16466443)
Whats even more hilarious is the stats. Mac users have more income, more toys, better cars, better sex lives and generally have spent a lot of time using windows as well. The guys calling them fanboys on the other hand have very limited experience with a mac.

The latest research in consumer purchasing behaviour also point out that mac guys are more likely to own multiple machines and operating systems including a windows pc, and more gadgets around the home.

Sadly, people who bash macs usually fall into this stereotype: They have not used a mac in the last 5 years, only know windows and pc's, and are ignorant low income idiots running on some cheap junk from china they put together in their basement.

But hey, if bashing on people who are generally better than you in most ways makes you feel better about your substandard computing experience, troll on. :thumbsup Please don't ever consider buying a mac, we're very happy not having you on our platform.

I've had the pleasure of using Windows 7 and its actually quite a great OS by microsoft standards- and does have the same feel of the old NT Core. It boots nicely on my Macbook Pro, and it runs games at a slightly quicker FPS, but chews the battery and startup/shutdown times are noticeably slower.
Oh yeah, there's causality right there.
Perhaps richer people with more expensive cars can afford the blow to have gangbangs, and use a mac because it's trendy? :winkwink:

ProG 10-26-2009 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by NOTR (Post 16466562)
Don't want to start debating but turn your mac book pro around and look at the made in china label.
LOL :1orglaugh

themadwriter 10-26-2009 01:03 PM
my upgrade disk is in the mail and I can't wait to install it

blake.puba 10-26-2009 01:46 PM
its amazing MS finally delivered a good product... only took how many tries?

seeric 10-26-2009 02:15 PM
i have both. great windows machines and my macbook pro. i love them both for different reasons.

when a construction worker goes to a job site, he doesn't just show up with one kind of hammer. some jobs are better handled with different tools.

such is the case.

starpimps 10-26-2009 05:21 PM
JUST got my copy in the mail...
will do an install on a second HD before potentially ruining my life for a couple of days ;)

EscortBiz 10-26-2009 05:28 PM
new win 7 machines will not pickup your wireless unless you do a whole buch of bullshit, just a heads up not to fuck with it unless u got 2-3 hours to waste

Elli 10-26-2009 05:34 PM
read a review on Tom's Hardware today that concluded saying there will be about a 7% perceivable difference from Vista to 7. That's a little small, imo.

Persius 10-27-2009 11:30 AM
Bump for V_rocks to answer few questions :)

NOTR 10-27-2009 01:54 PM
http://store.apple.com/us/reviews/MC...co=MTI2NzQzMzQ

Who say's apple doesn't have it's share of issues.

PenisFace 10-27-2009 02:27 PM
It's a good thing windows 7 doesn't suck cocks like Vista did. I'm still using XP on my work PC. I just took a gamble a couple weeks ago and ordered a custom gaming rig with Win 7 on it, I guess my gamble has payed off? :pimp

Loch 10-27-2009 02:34 PM
seems i need to upgrade as i just got a laptop with Vista on it and my life has been a nightmare ever since

qwe 10-27-2009 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by TheSenator (Post 16466463)
Hopyfully, Window 7 on an i7 920 overclocked to 3.5 play nicely.

Planning for an upgrade.
don't forget to get some nice SSD drive for it (ocz vertex or intel)... i'm running i7 920 + tripple 6gb memory + ssd + win7 = amazing... you'll never go back to regular HDD

bhutocracy 10-28-2009 02:45 AM
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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 16466406)
Don't be a fucking troll.
How long did it take apple to get OS/X? Do you even remember the horrors of System 9 / 8 etc?

Not to mention that the stability comes from darwin / bsd.

In any case, without trying to be inflammatory - serious question for you to ponder..

Mac: The OS only has to handle one set of known hardware configuations.
PC: The OS has to handle literally billions of hardware configurations, dating back over 15 years.

The sheer task of maintaining compatibility etc on Windows is amazing - honestly, amazing.
Selective memory is an amazing thing. Apple hobbled along badly for many years until finally using bsd to get stable.. Just like they hobbled along grunt-wise until finally using intel. Also yes please, let me switch to whatever system Lord Jobs says I am allowed to have right now, never mind I might be getting caught just behind their next wave of configurations or *gasp* actually want to be unique and not just be told I am and create a specific config for my situation.

magpan 10-28-2009 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 16463859)
I have pretty much been a beta tester of Microsoft products since Windows 98.

I loved windows 98SE and didn't upgrade to anything else until Windows 2000 Professional. That was a solid mother fucker right there. Windows XP Professional was a bit testy in the beginning, but SP1 fixed a lot of problems and by SP2 it was just as solid as 2000P...

Vista was a fucking nightmare from the beginning. Nothing worked and all of the high hopes functionality was stripped out because it just got too damn chaotic.

Windows 7 has reminded me of Windows 2000 Professional since the beginning. It is solid as fuck. It is a lot like have the addons of Vista integrated with the solidness of the Windows NT line (which 2000P was a part of).

I have 4 cores on the processor and 6 gigs of ram. I no longer close shit down or have to restart FF because it bloated to 700mb of memory. While FF still does that and seems to always want to consume 16 to 25% of the processing power, which translates to 60% - 100% of a single core, I don't have to give a shit anymore. Yes, this has a lot to do with the simple fact that my PC has 4 cores and so much memory... I know... But Windows 7 seems to handle shit pretty good. I am using 64 bit Ultimate and it kicks ass!

I elected to "upgrade" from Vista. I did this so I could tell you if it sucks or not. I have upgraded from 98 to ME, etc... I know the horror stories. This upgrade was flawless. I truly could not be anymore impressed with how solid this system runs.

Windows 7 found every single driver but one. It was for a USB network card and it seemed that Windows thought it was a drive. So I had to stick another USB network bard I had in another computer into it and it loaded its drivers, hit the Internet and loaded the other cards drivers. Unplugged the 2nd one and Windows 7 elected to switch to the 1st for the wireless connection. Nice.

Overall I have to say Microsoft finally did something right. It has been a long time since 2000P and they finally knocked another one out of the ballpark.

For those of you that don't know, 2000 Professional was built on the Windows NT architecture. I believe Vista was also built on it but it seemed more like the ME architecture... Windows NT was built with corporations in mind. You can have Joe the Plumber complain on his shit blog all you want, but if Sears says your shit sucks, well, you are going to lose a lot of business. So they did NT right. Now they did Windows 7 right.
Nice review. Will be upgrading in a few days. :)

Naechy 10-28-2009 04:45 AM
Windwos 7 is looking like Windows Vista should look at the first time

NOTR 10-28-2009 01:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwe (Post 16472305)
don't forget to get some nice SSD drive for it (ocz vertex or intel)... i'm running i7 920 + tripple 6gb memory + ssd + win7 = amazing... you'll never go back to regular HDD
Which ssd do you have? I was looking at the intels, don't feel like reinstalling win7, should cloning my drive to a new ssd do the trick?

buyandsell 10-28-2009 01:51 PM
I'm sticking with XP

Persius 10-28-2009 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwe (Post 16472305)
don't forget to get some nice SSD drive for it (ocz vertex or intel)... i'm running i7 920 + tripple 6gb memory + ssd + win7 = amazing... you'll never go back to regular HDD
What is so good about SSD .. sell me on it :upsidedow

NOTR 10-28-2009 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Persius (Post 16474226)
What is so good about SSD .. sell me on it :upsidedow
All you need to know about ssd drives (31-page anandtech thesis):
http://www.anandtech.com/storage/sho...spx?i=3531&p=1

X25M Gen2 review:
http://techreport.com/articles.x/17269/1

NOTR 10-28-2009 04:20 PM
To give you an idea of how fast the intel SSD is.

Left the office about 1.5 hours ago to the local pc store to pick up the SSD, got home and installed win 7. Moved all necessary user files and this thing is fast as FUCK.

V_RocKs 10-29-2009 10:30 AM
Doesn't SSD drives have the limitations as flash memory? As in you can only write to a certain sector so many times (I believe it is around 1000)?

V_RocKs 10-29-2009 10:35 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Persius (Post 16466231)
I'm running vista 32bit on a 64machine was waiting to use my 64bit for windows7.

So your saying the upgrade went fine? isn't it usually better to do a full fresh install?
Well, if you are worried about upgrading, do the "fresh install". It will still copy your windows stuff to windows.old and then you can import it all later.

Also extract portions of your registry you might want... Say you use Windows Live Writer for blog posting, copy that section of the registry to import later and keep your passwords and accounts. Same with Dreamweaver. Same with AOL should you still be using it. Same with Firefox...

Then when you clean install you can copy the windows.old/user/[your account name]/appdata/[local and roaming]/Windows Live Writer/*
etc... over and be right back where you were before starting the process...

Also, the 64bit version is nice. You can go to http://www.crucial.com/index.aspx and pick up a couple extra gigs of ram for almost nothing. Get at least 6gigs and you will no longer use a paging file when switching between open and minimized windows. The speed difference in that alone is worth the upgrade.

just a punk 10-29-2009 11:40 AM
We have a good joke here in Russia which fits for Vista vs Win7 case just perfect:

A rat asks a hamster: "Bro, we are almost the same rodents but why people are trying to kill and poison me while they caress, feed and love you?". The hamster fall to thinking for a moment when answered: "I believe it's because your PR-managers suck"

just a punk 10-29-2009 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Elli (Post 16467745)
read a review on Tom's Hardware today that concluded saying there will be about a 7% perceivable difference from Vista to 7. That's a little small, imo.
I have no idea who that Tom is and what kind of hardware he hides in his pants, but I'm already told here that Vista and Win7 have almost the same core so even a 7% difference is too much IMHO.

Yesterday I was tying to setup an OpenVPN client on Win7 64-bit and found that it has exactly the same compatibility issues as Vista. I.e. you can read all those "how to make my OpenVPN client run under funking Vista?!" and be sure - they will be 100% applicable to Win7. You will even need to install Vista-compatible TAP driver on Win7 PC.

What a surprise! :1orglaugh

NOTR 10-29-2009 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 16477253)
Doesn't SSD drives have the limitations as flash memory? As in you can only write to a certain sector so many times (I believe it is around 1000)?
Here's an excerpt from an article on http://icrontic.com/news/micron-alle...nand-endurance

"Even Intel?s MLC-based X25-M G2 drive is estimated to have a 31,500 cycle write endurance, which is good for 20GB of erase/write sequences a day, every day, for five years. If that?s not enough, the company has included a 100GB/day margin of error."

Quite honestly for the price, I would pay $280 and replace them yearly because that's how noticeable the speed increase is.

stickyfingerz 10-29-2009 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by cyberxxx (Post 16477516)
We have a good joke here in Russia which fits for Vista vs Win7 case just perfect:

A rat asks a hamster: "Bro, we are almost the same rodents but why people are trying to kill and poison me while they caress, feed and love you?". The hamster fall to thinking for a moment when answered: "I believe it's because your PR-managers suck"
Lolz windows 7 rocks, and for most people Vista did great as well.

Here are some reviews from that mac page haha

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This program is totally flawed. Apple rushed it to market to compete with Microsoft 7. I installed it on my computer and it completely deleted my iPhoto library on my computer hard drive as well as from Time machine. Absolutely incredible - 5 years of pics completed gone forever! I went to the store and they had no answers and after several wasted hours concluded there is nothing that can be done. They submitted a report but, it seems highly unlikely my pics will be recovered. The program also somehow affected my ability to connect to the airport wireless router. Still haven't figured that one out yet. DON'T BUY THIS PROGRAM - IT IS FLAWED AND ADDES LITTLE TO THE OS!
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I upgraded to Apple OS 10.6 and with minor fixes 10.6.1, has been nothing but trouble, I we we beta testing this for Apple? Logic has crashed so many times, I lost songs because of it, I was unable to save and stop a song from playing, everything had became un-clickable, I had to manually power down my 8 core mac pro. I have Adobe CS4 and the Apps crash when you least expect it, this is not only happening to me google it, see for yourself. I had to reinstall sever apps after the upgrade, so still do not work correctly. I hope there is a fix soon I really enjoy my Apple when its working correctly, Please hurry up with a fix, if not I will remove Snow leopard and go back to leopard once and if they ever get it working correctly.
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Being a huge Apple fan I ran out and purchased Snow Leopard. I've only had problems with my MacBook Pro and iMac since the installation of SL. Several hours have been spent with the "product specialist" and many visits to the "genius bar" have not resolved the many issues that have been produced by SL. Preferences does not function on the mail application, Mobile Me only works on the iMac with a manuel syncs. Sound on the MacBook is intermittent. There are lots of little issues that cannot be resolved since the installation of SL. I ran on Leopard prior to SL and my computers functioned beautifully.
Stay away from Snow Leopard.
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Ever since i loaded this new OS on my macbook, I've had nothing but problems. It slows down my computer, closes Safari right when I'm in the middle of doing something, when i use Safari, it takes forever for it to load.

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I have a macbook pro 17" 2.93 unibody with 4gb. I'm a front end developer and use CS4 (usually just Photoshop), vm fusion with (xp pro, vs 2003, vs 2008, Aptana, firefox and ie6) and (win7, ie8 and firefox), Aptana, Entourage, ichat and itunes, all day long. And also Time Machine; thank god.

Before the upgrade, I would have around 1 gb free of ram. After the upgrade... I had 10mb! I couldn't do anything today, except constant restarts. And to top it off, Cisco VPN Client no longer worked.

My thoughts about the os... The option menu is now gray (wow) and there were 2 or 3 new desktop backgrounds. I couldn't figure out the whole Quicktime thing. There was no preference/options for it. Not a big deal. All in all, I'm sure Snow Leopard is fine for people who surf the internet and just get emails. But for people who rely on a mac for work... stay far away from this for at least 4-5 months or be prepared to spend money on an 8 gb ram upgrade.

Needless to say, when I got home I put the snow leopard disk in and went to utilities, then to restore from Time Machine back up. Luckily it worked. On a side note, I am a huge apple supporter and recommend the products to friends an family. So I am, by no means bashing apple products.
http://store.apple.com/us/reviews/MC...I2NzQzMzQ&rp=2

I just find these HYSTERICAL as compared to their clique little commercials that tell bold faced lies about windows. lol

just a punk 10-29-2009 12:01 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by stickyfingerz (Post 16477611)
Lolz windows 7 rocks, and for most people Vista did great as well.
:winkwink: :1orglaugh

Arnox 10-29-2009 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by tical (Post 16463891)
Windows 7 is a fantastic OS. Even Mac users say it's good (which translates to its awesome).
No, this translates to I have no concept of what a good OS consists of and think anything that has clicky icons is awesome.

I use Windows ME and have yet to find an OS that outdoes it.

Shoplifter 10-29-2009 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by NOTR (Post 16474763)
To give you an idea of how fast the intel SSD is.

Left the office about 1.5 hours ago to the local pc store to pick up the SSD, got home and installed win 7. Moved all necessary user files and this thing is fast as FUCK.
I am running a 160 Gig Intel X-25m SSD as my system and application drive.

It is simply the bees knees. There is pretty much nothing else that you can do to upgrade your system that will improve it as much as this SSD drive.

Things like this are pretty much why my main work box is a Win 7 PC. I love to tinker with the latest technology. I also own two Macs and they simply just don't come close to the newest PC technology, not even the Mac Pro. OS X is nice and all, but Apple hardware is always just too behind.

Persius 10-29-2009 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Shoplifter (Post 16477827)
I am running a 160 Gig Intel X-25m SSD as my system and application drive.

It is simply the bees knees. There is pretty much nothing else that you can do to upgrade your system that will improve it as much as this SSD drive.

Things like this are pretty much why my main work box is a Win 7 PC. I love to tinker with the latest technology. I also own two Macs and they simply just don't come close to the newest PC technology, not even the Mac Pro. OS X is nice and all, but Apple hardware is always just too behind.
damn ssd are expensive :Oh crap

V_RocKs 10-29-2009 01:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by NOTR (Post 16477610)
Here's an excerpt from an article on http://icrontic.com/news/micron-alle...nand-endurance

"Even Intel’s MLC-based X25-M G2 drive is estimated to have a 31,500 cycle write endurance, which is good for 20GB of erase/write sequences a day, every day, for five years. If that’s not enough, the company has included a 100GB/day margin of error."

Quite honestly for the price, I would pay $280 and replace them yearly because that's how noticeable the speed increase is.
I am wondering if the speed stays up later on in the drives life.

The way it handles its write endurance is that it will take something like an ini file or a cfg file of a program that gets written to every time the program is closed and move it around the drive. So that it doesn't continuously write to the same spot. Eventually this creates fragmentation issues. So your drive might be lickety-split right now and will be not so much in 4 or 5 years...

BTW - The windows page file would be a good example of a file that will be written to every few seconds while you are actively using the operating system. At a few gigs in size it can really add up quickly and have to me moved constantly by the drive.

stickyfingerz 10-29-2009 01:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arnox (Post 16477654)
No, this translates to I have no concept of what a good OS consists of and think anything that has clicky icons is awesome.

I use Windows ME and have yet to find an OS that outdoes it.
ME are you kidding? lol

nolongerexists 10-29-2009 01:18 PM
running win7 on ocz vertex. shit is fast and stable

Shoplifter 10-29-2009 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by V_RocKs (Post 16477928)
I am wondering if the speed stays up later on in the drives life.
The newest drives support the Windows 7 TRIM command which in essence defragments the drive to a near new state. Even fragmented the drives are so goddam fast that there is little comparison to mechanical drives.

As for what happens in 4 or 5 years who cares. Things go obsolete so fast now I doubt I have anything older than 6 months in my computer case right now.

Check out: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3607 etc. There is a lot of cool info on these drives there.

NOTR 10-29-2009 04:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shoplifter (Post 16477993)
The newest drives support the Windows 7 TRIM command which in essence defragments the drive to a near new state. Even fragmented the drives are so goddam fast that there is little comparison to mechanical drives.

As for what happens in 4 or 5 years who cares. Things go obsolete so fast now I doubt I have anything older than 6 months in my computer case right now.

Check out: http://www.anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3607 etc. There is a lot of cool info on these drives there.
Did you upgrade to the newest firmware? Saw a few blog postings about people being bricked .

But ya SSD is night and day, going to test this bad boy out for a few weeks and start converting my machine at work to SSD.

Sean 10-29-2009 04:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Persius (Post 16477911)
damn ssd are expensive :Oh crap
the intel X25-E is going to be out in about a week. that is going to cost some money


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