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2MuchMark 10-12-2009 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by notime (Post 16421808)
Now all you folks go to http://www.2much.net/ and promote Mark's solid & trusted program.

(Sorry Mark, I got carried away over some show posts, not that you think I'm hijacking your thread)

http://www.2much.net/ :thumbsup :thumbsup
Not at all! I was about to post that AdultContent.nl is MY favorite EVER..

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2MuchMark 10-12-2009 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by notime (Post 16421705)
I see the costs & ROI in a social economic perspective.

Meaning, I see visiting shows as an investment in people & relationships with them.
Not beeing there means zero chance in business and being there means you at least have a chance. Maybe not today but in a few weeks, months, maybe even a year...
And that's next to the fact I LIKE to be there and really enjoy talking to people, sharing ideas, talk about the downsides, having a beer and learn a few new things in seminars and meeting the young new generation, who see everything differently then the old school.

Maintaining existing relationships & having fun with people you work with or wanna work with means everything.

If people say less folks are coming to the show, I'll say; "That means I have more time to talk with people that did come". Call me Mr. positive but IMO that is how it works.

When people have no funds to come to such a show, maybe the organisers can make a social digital network of attendees (and interested people) and charge a small fee to enter it, compared to visiting a show so at least the ones that could not make it, were sick or could not afford it still have a chance to catch up and do business. That I would consider good social economic behaviour and good for the entire industry. Put pics & videos on such a site of seminars, etc.

I must be babbling again...
But I'm also curious about what others think of such an idea.

My thoughts exactly.

2MuchMark 10-12-2009 07:25 PM
Oh by the way, if anyone is looking for an idea of something else to do while in Las Vegas. The last time I was there I had the opportunity to go boating and swimming on Lake Mead. It was cool as hell. The boat was a speed boat so we were zooming around all over the place, and pulled over to swim a few times. It feels like you're swimming on some alien world. The rocks & formations were really interesting to see up close. We also went swimming right near Hoover Dam. REALLY cool..

http://blog.airdye.com/goodforwater/...d-may-2009.jpg

Anyway if you get bored of the strip and want a little nature check out the lake.

Varius 10-12-2009 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16422930)
Well first of all, I'd feel guilty as hell. I think alot of work goes into each Internext show and to show up and not even drop a couple o'hundred for a badge would make me feel pretty bad. Plus also since I flew all the way out to Vegas, I would be wasting my time and money if I didn't buy a badge. I don't know, but I see lots of value. The badge gets me onto the show floor where I can see what's new with exhibitors. I get to shop and / or sell and make new contacts. I also get to attend the seminars and of course the parties. To me, 2-3 days of open access is worth the money.
Since I and a lot of people I know have had many bad dealings with AVN both as a sponsor in the past and attendee, I wouldn't feel sorry for them at all. Putting on a show is a big job and the actual employees who do it work extremely hard I am sure, but as a company AVN is the epitome of greed :2 cents:

TheSenator 10-12-2009 09:37 PM
I have 60k unique daily traffic. I spread my traffic out and never put all my eggs in one basket. I can always tell a good program by the way their back end is set-up. I rather be under the radar.

Anyway, Internext would be nice but I wouldn't want to talk about business. All I do is sit in front of a plastic panel with lights and patterns. I need a vacation where I can disconnect for a few days.

Good luck to Internext and a successful party.

After Shock Media 10-12-2009 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 16422892)
No no... i didnt point my comment at you, simply quoted you because you said it... I have seen this shit first hand and it is funny, no doubt, until it happens to you...
You may have seen it, I got hit by it in Florida. That shit is fucked up. Thankfully I had the funds to cover it and then deal with management. Just put a serious rotten cherry on the whole event.

Imortyl Pussycat 10-12-2009 09:54 PM
i never miss this show, i love Vegas :thumbsup

JimmiDean 10-13-2009 04:17 AM
After Miami I will be thinking twice before attending anymore "Internext" events,
I can see Vegas again on my own time.
Long and short any show that is not going to take care of its patrons and run a half assed event like this summers Miami will get no more of my money.
Mark hit me up today, not sure if you got my last few emails last week.
Cheers

rayadp05 10-13-2009 04:59 AM
I will probably be there...but maybe not. Depends on how much time I have available.

Barefootsies 10-13-2009 05:58 AM
Good stuff. Here's a bump.
:thumbsup

Barefootsies 10-13-2009 05:58 AM
Fiddy.
:pimp

Sig.

JFK 10-13-2009 06:15 AM
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Originally Posted by notime (Post 16421764)
It's like the half full glass or the half empty glass (everlasting) discussion.

It is what YOU make of it that does the trick...not the location and not the No. of people coming there. That's just statistics.

Just being there does not cover it. You need to mingle, network, make sure your person/company/product is heard of and DO make friends and enjoy the experience (and the drinks too..).
Its what YOU make of it....................... Thanks for saying so Jack, I have been saying the same thing for years and it is very true:2 cents::thumbsup

CaroMark 10-13-2009 07:13 AM
Caro.Net will have a booth at the AVN show but while we will be in attendance at the Palms the show floor certainly hasn't been the most conducive place to do business since they went to that format.

Jay-Rock 10-13-2009 07:36 AM
Im with you guys no need to buy a badge when the circle bar is about as exciting as it gets. The only time I was able to meet everyone was at the circle bar and that doesn't cost anything. I also stayed across the street the palms is way overpriced on rooms and you can get rooms dirt ass cheap anywhere nearby.

Jay-Rock 10-13-2009 07:46 AM
NOTE: If you are a sponsor and throw a party without an open bar well thats just lame!

:2 cents:

Atominder 10-13-2009 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by After Shock Media (Post 16421654)
Still either recovering or planning on more medical procedures for the time being.
you sir is a fighter :thumbsup

Deej 10-13-2009 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 16423934)
NOTE: If you are a sponsor and throw a party without an open bar well thats just lame!

:2 cents:
What, were they throwing a party and charging people for drinks?

When i was there i helped a program smuggle in a shit load of booze. The palms dosnt let you distribute your own booze....

so either the palms forced them to have a palms employee and booze there or some program was charging people for their booze? Or wait.... Was there no booze at all?

Jay-Rock 10-13-2009 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Deej (Post 16424434)
What, were they throwing a party and charging people for drinks?

When i was there i helped a program smuggle in a shit load of booze. The palms dosnt let you distribute your own booze....

so either the palms forced them to have a palms employee and booze there or some program was charging people for their booze? Or wait.... Was there no booze at all?
Basically every party except for the GAY ones you had to pay for drinks. Fucking lame if you ask me as much as they charge for badges. People show up then immediately leave because they don't want to spend $100 on drink for every party. LAME ASSES. We went to the gay parties and everything was free. I liked hanging out with the gay people they always have lots of chics around and their bar had everything you could imagine free LOL! Guess they are doing better than straight porn programs. They go all out when most of the straight programs penny pinch. When I first started going to shows everything was free and people got wasted. The shows now are much more tame less naked girls, less drunks, less everything. You would think it was a mainstream convention or something.

Tasty1 10-13-2009 01:57 PM
I've booked the flights. Starting in San Francisco on december 27. So we will be in Los Angeles on new year, hope there is something to do :)

The Gay floorparty had good drinks and Netbilling in the poker room. Martin filled up the glasses and there was a good atmosphere. In Amsterdam i was surprised, a lot of times when i thought a had to pay, there was an open bar. One time it was closed earlier because the limit was reached when people started drinking champagne.

But without open-bar it is fun also, i am not going to Vegas for the drinks only.

Tasty1 10-13-2009 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 16424588)
The shows now are much more tame less naked girls, less drunks, less everything. You would think it was a mainstream convention or something.
http://www.adultwhoswho.com/data/adu...egas_avn34.jpg
That was the gay party.

notime 10-13-2009 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by airholland (Post 16422849)
I was the one drinking on Jack's bill (and he on mine).

I think it is a good show. Just joined a few seminars. But talking to people at the bar and meet friends of friends gives you a lot of ideas how to make more money and learn about the whole industry. After sitting the whole day/month/year behind a computer you want to meet people in real and drink something. It is a world wide industry and meeting people from different places and with different niches is very interesting. Everybody likes to talk about their programms/biz. And when you need something, content, affiliates, traffic, programmers, billing solutions, hosting than you first look for the people you already met. I am planning to grow, so when i need something, i know where to go. After the show i got new energy and start working hard again, after two years of standstill due to health matters in the family.

For me Vegas is also fun, i like to travel and see a lot of countries and meeting different people. That's why i decided to go for 3 weeks and see more of the country. I was a bit sceptic going towards America, but now a want to see the whole country. Planning to go for another 4 weeks in june or so. (yes in this social country you have 6 weeks holiday)

I see a social plan comming for Jack. i don't know if the prices are to high. The additional cost like flight tickets, hotels, beer, strippers, beer, beer, food, wine, beer are higher. Maybe more open-circle bar sponsors could make it cheaper. But tickets AAE, Awards, Internext, are welcome. This year will be 10 times more expensive cause my GF is comming with me and i saw all that shops...

I think my money was well spend. The show floor wasn't impressive, i think that good be better. But the club parties, floor parties, circle bar, seminars and hotel where ok. Well organized.
See you soon Bjorn!
Enjoy your holiday there too btw.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16422937)
Not at all! I was about to post that AdultContent.nl is MY favorite EVER..

http://www.adultcontent.nl
http://www.adultcontent.nl
http://www.adultcontent.nl


:)
:thumbsup http://www.2much.net
(btw there is a typo in your sig where the . (point) in your last url now shows a , (comma)

Quote:
Originally Posted by JFK (Post 16423747)
Its what YOU make of it....................... Thanks for saying so Jack, I have been saying the same thing for years and it is very true:2 cents::thumbsup
Now we do business together too Jules :) After seeing eachother like 12 times on shows and not doing business.
And that proves the entire point we both were trying to make..!

Varius 10-13-2009 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 16424588)
Basically every party except for the GAY ones you had to pay for drinks. Fucking lame if you ask me as much as they charge for badges. People show up then immediately leave because they don't want to spend $100 on drink for every party. LAME ASSES. We went to the gay parties and everything was free. I liked hanging out with the gay people they always have lots of chics around and their bar had everything you could imagine free LOL! Guess they are doing better than straight porn programs. They go all out when most of the straight programs penny pinch. When I first started going to shows everything was free and people got wasted. The shows now are much more tame less naked girls, less drunks, less everything. You would think it was a mainstream convention or something.
The Gay sponsors always have the best hotel parties. While others are being shut down by hotel staff or emptying out, their go on and on stronger than ever :pimp

fuzebox 10-13-2009 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16421393)
but if you don't buy a badge you're ripping Internext off.
You mean as opposed to AVN ripping off the adult industry for years :1orglaugh

You can keep on paying for badges all you want. I won't, especially when there is little to no benefit, and the price of the badge isn't really the point.

I didn't mean to turn this into yet another discussion about shows and value and how to improve them and shit like that, I was just telling it like it is. If the show is at a public venue, and what's going on outside is better then what's going on inside, I'm not paying to get inside. This would be the case for any show, let alone ones put on by companies I cannot stand like AVN.

Just sharing my perspective as an affiliate and program/paysite owner :2 cents:

RyuLion 10-13-2009 03:24 PM
pics from last year..
http://www.ryulion.com/internext_08/...rnext_0795.jpg
http://www.ryulion.com/internext_08/...rnext_0797.jpg
http://www.ryulion.com/internext_08/...leone_0799.jpg

Warren 10-13-2009 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 16424588)
Basically every party except for the GAY ones you had to pay for drinks. Fucking lame if you ask me as much as they charge for badges. People show up then immediately leave because they don't want to spend $100 on drink for every party. LAME ASSES. We went to the gay parties and everything was free. I liked hanging out with the gay people they always have lots of chics around and their bar had everything you could imagine free LOL! Guess they are doing better than straight porn programs. They go all out when most of the straight programs penny pinch. When I first started going to shows everything was free and people got wasted. The shows now are much more tame less naked girls, less drunks, less everything. You would think it was a mainstream convention or something.

The gay parties ae great! they always have late night pizza, have done for years.

Doctor Feelgood 10-13-2009 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16421181)
I'll be going just because it's Vegas. If I don't get a free badge, I'm not paying for one though, and will just hang out at the circle bar and around Vegas with different industry friends.

Gold Coast is still the best deal/value at that show, their new rooms are actually nicer than a lot of the Palms rooms, and the walk from the GC front door is less than say, the walk from Palms Place.
just take a cab from the gold coast to the palms. yea its not far but if you just have a suit on with no winter jacket youre gonna freeze your ass off.

Doctor Feelgood 10-13-2009 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood (Post 16425432)
just take a cab from the gold coast to the palms. yea its not far but if you just have a suit on with no winter jacket youre gonna freeze your ass off.
or check around for a courtesy bus :thumbsup

Elli 10-13-2009 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 16425214)
You mean as opposed to AVN ripping off the adult industry for years :1orglaugh

You can keep on paying for badges all you want. I won't, especially when there is little to no benefit, and the price of the badge isn't really the point.

I didn't mean to turn this into yet another discussion about shows and value and how to improve them and shit like that, I was just telling it like it is. If the show is at a public venue, and what's going on outside is better then what's going on inside, I'm not paying to get inside. This would be the case for any show, let alone ones put on by companies I cannot stand like AVN.

Just sharing my perspective as an affiliate and program/paysite owner :2 cents:
True, true. But you could say that if people use Internext as just a place to meet WITHOUT using the Internext "features" like show floor and seminars and therefore without buying tickets, then it's just a glorified webmaster meet-up. Then it will be up to the sponsors to seize the opportunity and allow non-ticket holders to enter their parties/events and sweeten the pot with open bars, naked girls, etc. But all without AVN's umbrella...

Interesting concept.

2MuchMark 10-13-2009 04:29 PM
:thumbsup http://www.2much.net
(btw there is a typo in your sig where the . (point) in your last url now shows a , (comma)


Shit... thanks!!!! I fail at interwebz.

fuzebox 10-13-2009 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood (Post 16425432)
just take a cab from the gold coast to the palms. yea its not far but if you just have a suit on with no winter jacket youre gonna freeze your ass off.
:1orglaugh You'll spend longer waiting for a cab than the time it will take to cross the street. The last two years were not that cold, especially compared to early weeks in vegas...

fuzebox 10-13-2009 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Elli (Post 16425501)
True, true. But you could say that if people use Internext as just a place to meet WITHOUT using the Internext "features" like show floor and seminars and therefore without buying tickets, then it's just a glorified webmaster meet-up. Then it will be up to the sponsors to seize the opportunity and allow non-ticket holders to enter their parties/events and sweeten the pot with open bars, naked girls, etc. But all without AVN's umbrella...
Hey, like I said, I wasn't trying to turn this into yet another "what could make shows better" thread. I was just sharing my approach. For me Vegas Internext is a webmaster meet-up.

MaDalton 10-13-2009 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood (Post 16425432)
just take a cab from the gold coast to the palms. yea its not far but if you just have a suit on with no winter jacket youre gonna freeze your ass off.
:1orglaugh :1orglaugh dude, that's 200 meter and the temperature this year was like 15 to 20°C

Jim_Gunn 10-13-2009 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Doctor Feelgood (Post 16425464)
or check around for a courtesy bus :thumbsup
The Gold Coast is directly across the street from the Palms, and as such, is a short walk.

2MuchMark 10-13-2009 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox
:
You can keep on paying for badges all you want. I won't, especially when there is little to no benefit,
You are forgetting the money that the show owners put up to promote the show, and all the work, time, and energy just to get everyone together. You attend to attract new business or make a new deal. Do you not want them to earn their well deserved return on their investment? Not buying a badge hurts the show's business and causes prices to rise.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay-Rock (Post 16424588)
Basically every party except for the GAY ones you had to pay for drinks. Fucking lame if you ask me as much as they charge for badges. People show up then immediately leave because they don't want to spend $100 on drink for every party. LAME ASSES. .
The people and companies who throw parties do not make a dime off of the badges. These parties are hosted by sponsorss who hope to gain your business, or to allow others to network and do business together.

We have sponsored lots of parties in hopes of gaining new business. While it worked some of the time, the time it took to gain that return was sometimes too longer than we required so now we sponsor less.

Each party though is an opportunity to have fun, meet people, network, and learn about products or services sponsors have to offer. I would NEVER refuse to go to a party just because the booze wasn't free. Why on earth would I skip an opportunity like that? Why would anyone?

Chances are, if people are not willing to buy their own drinks, they are not usually people worth dealing with anyway. I'm not trying to be a dickhead, but if some someone is so uptight or so quick to dismiss a party, a company, a group of people, or a chance to network, then they are probably not good people to make deals with in the first place.

Peace.

fuzebox 10-13-2009 05:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by ********** (Post 16425584)
You are forgetting the money that the show owners put up to promote the show, and all the work, time, and energy just to get everyone together. You attend to attract new business or make a new deal. Do you not want them to earn their well deserved return on their investment? Not buying a badge hurts the show's business and causes prices to rise.
Actually I'm sick of AVN's price gouging and have disliked the company since I got into this business. What is "well deserved" is definitely debateable. I have had no problem in the past paying full price for other shows as I see fit.

Tasty1 10-13-2009 05:07 PM
It is going bad in the bussiness. Going to a cheaper hotel (and go with a cab to the Palms), not buying tickets, booze bills on the room of someone else, looking for free drinks. And at the end tipping strippers for 100 dollar or losing it in the slotmachine.

I wonder how the AVN Awards show is. I wanted to see it last year (my first time), but it wasn't very busy there.

Big Red Machine 10-13-2009 05:33 PM
Anyone for some bowling at the Gold Coast? Thats always fun
Last time I was out there I had one of their old rooms....if you smack the pillow smoke came out, and the walls were covered in nicotine...pffff

Big Red Machine 10-13-2009 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by airholland (Post 16425668)
I wonder how the AVN Awards show is. I wanted to see it last year (my first time), but it wasn't very busy there.
Didn't they sell it? I thought it was the AEE Award Show now

Tasty1 10-13-2009 06:21 PM
http://www.avnawards.com

I see it is in Palms this year. Last year it wasn't sold out, plenty of seats left.

HouseHead 10-13-2009 06:31 PM
I had alot of fun last year, and got alot done. Met some cool ass people too, it was my first show after being in and around the adult industry for 6 years. I hope to attend this year too.


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