What do you think of deluxepass?

[justsexxx]

What do you think of deluxepass?

Andre

[Cohen]

is this another xxxpassword hacking thread?

[justsexxx]

Originally posted by Cohen
is this another xxxpassword hacking thread?

No, www.deluxepass.com

Andre

[Mutt]

i was right. I always thought it had something to do with Adult Bouncer. It does - do a tracert, comes up the same for both Adult
Bouncer and Deluxe Pass.

[AWC]

looks like a nice porgram... too bad their content is so dated...

[justsexxx]

Thnx for the replies. All it matters to me is that they are honest :-)

Andre

[FlyingIguana]

can't get an answer from them on icq. would rather go with adult bouncer, at least they reply.

[Mutt]

<i><b>"Deluxe Pass provides webmasters with Free Licensed Content - dvd's, feeds and pictures - Each new webmaster gets 3 FREE DVD's to use into their Deluxe Pass Archive. You'll have to choose the three DVD's from our list of 1400 titles " </i></b>

has anybody asked themselves why none of the other AVS systems can provide webmasters with over 1400 DVD titles to build their sites with?

hmmmmmm..............

[Pipecrew]

DeluxePass is honest but as for there content I have no idea how they have "licensed" that much

[Mutt]

i see what they're doing, it is licensed content but not for what they're doing, they're giving it away as free content to Deluxe Pass webmasters. Unless they've gone to each video company and negotiated something - AdultLegal's license doesn't cover what they're doing.

[Madball]

Thanks for educating us, Mutt. Shall they rot in hell!

[Mutt]

they've put themselves in a legal jackpot possibly - cuz i'm guessing their position is that since the movies are hosted on their servers, they are in effect the owner of all the AVS sites they host - which they are not - but let's give them that argument,
if that is their claim then as owners of every AVS site hosted on their servers they are liable for any infringement on any of those sites and taking a quick look at their site directory.....

oh.............here's the part where I protect my ass legally.........this is all speculation on my part, i don't KNOW anything, for all I know Adam and Eve, RedLight District Video, Legend Video, et al have given DP a broader license than that provided by Adult Legal.

[FlyingIguana]

maybe when you get 1400 dvd's they cut you some slack on the license

[Mutt]

listen between me you and the lampost.............i think the brokers could care less once they have a sale. The broker isn't the owner of the content, all they care about is getting their commission on the sale.

has there ever been an appearance on any messageboard in 7 years by a broker protecting or speaking up on behalf of the content producer? nope.

the content producer is on his own. not that i would expect a broker to have to be a policeman but when you have a feeling that a customer is playing loose with a license yeah i think a broker should be helping and alerting the producer of the content.

all AVS systems would be doing this if it was kosher, do you think AgeCheck, NetVerifier, NakedPass, SitePass, etc etc and the rest can't afford to license 1400 videos? Of course they can and they'd be all over it if they could give out that content to their AVS webmasters.

Why is it only two AVS systems are doing it, both hosted on the same servers...........

1400 licenses at $275 apiece............ $375,000

[Pipecrew]

RedLight district does not lease videos, they are working on a package as a feed that will be released eventually, at one point they had a "few" dvds at adultlegal but not many

[Sambuka]

Well someone with money started deluxepass I imagine. The sites that are there now seem to be mainly built by them, as there all professionally designed. The thing i'm interested in is they spend all this money on dvd's. I imagine 1400 X average of $500 a DVD. Thats like $700,000 total but enough content for them to use forever. But they aren't doing any advertising that I can see, if they really did buy all those DVD's then surely they would be advertising like crazy on all the boards and resource sites trying to get the webmasters to signup and promote them.

I noticed half there sites have dvd's with the deluxepass.com tag in the bottom right of the movie and the other half don't. Are all the movies on adult bouncer and deluxepass that DON'T have there name taged on them unlicenced???

I would imagine Deluxepass did buy those licences for the 1400 DVD's as they happyly show it on the outside of there site for all to see. Just wondering if ALL there stuff is licenced or not. I know some of the sites they host like hentai etc are not licenced just how much isn't licenced???

Sammy

[Sly_RJ]

The advertising is done by all of the site owners.

The licenses are only good for 3 sites per DVD. After 3 webmasters have downloaded the content, the DVD is no longer available.

I'm not sure how all this works. If anyone has some proper information, it would be appreciated. I'm setting up an account with them now, have been wondering about the legalities.

[Mutt]

i wouldn't worry on your end about legalities, because you are being told in good faith that they have a license which allows you to use the movies on your AVS site. Nobody is going to go after you.

Taking a look at their directory of sites, just like AB which shares the same servers, tons of stuff that you, I and they know doesn't have a license from anybody.

Pipecrew do you know the people from RedlightDistrict?

there are more than a few titles from them at Adult Legal, about 25 I think. Looks like good stuff actually.

What if I wanted to license all 2,000 DVD's available from Adult Legal, i host them on my server, why can't I sub-lease them all in a plugin to paysites? in effect, that's exactly what they're doing.

This was tried before with free hosts.............free host would license tons of CD's, then tried to offer their webmasters the content for free.........since the content was on the free host servers they thought they could away with it. You don't see it tried anymore cuz the free hosts know it's not ok.

[Mutt]

Movie AVS systems, the ones that don't allow any advertising on your AVS sites, are nothing more than huge vaults of illegal content. They can go license 5 million DVD's and we all know the guys with those 'movie archive' sites are all the guys who run and post movies on the hundreds of movie forums.

Check this site out, http://www.moo-movies.com
Hosted by Adult Bouncer but not part of their system, not one movie on that site has a license. And i won't even bother to cover my ass legally on that one because i recognize half the movies on the tour and they ain't available for licensing anywhere.

[<IMX>]

Mutt--
In fairness to them as an avs system...

Or maybe this is a description of avs in general...

There is _a_lot_ of unlicensed content floating around in older systems as well. In fact, I know guys who will can tell you some interesting stories about most AVS systems and unlicensed and celeb stuff. Don't ask me because I will not elaborate beyond that, but ask some big avs people in Vegas.

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They are not exactly sub-leasing the content. Each AVS site is actually an affiliate site is it not? So, it is like the affiliate is building a site for AB on their server and getting paid for building a site for AB, rather than having their "own" site.

Interesting though. I'd like to here the AB/DP model is OK from content brokers/producers.

[FlyingIguana]

if all these sites have unlicensed content, why aren't they shut down and sued?

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by <IMX>
They are not exactly sub-leasing the content. Each AVS site is actually an affiliate site is it not? So, it is like the affiliate is building a site for AB on their server and getting paid for building a site for AB, rather than having their "own" site.

Interesting though. I'd like to here the AB/DP model is OK from content brokers/producers.

This is a good point.

Webmasters are selling a pass to the overall site using various tours and marketing techniques. I get $10 each month for every active member. They get the other $10.

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana
if all these sites have unlicensed content, why aren't they shut down and sued?

For the same reason BOB is and has been active. Nobody cares.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by Sly_RJ

For the same reason BOB is and has been active. Nobody cares.

its a ton of lost revenue tho. people don't care about money now?

[Pipecrew]

Mutt, I have talked to them on a couple of occasions about licensing and other stuff, the way the guy in charge of the company made it seem that it was done before he came to the company and did not like the idea but he said only a few titles were at adultlegal...... I assumed that was under 10... They will be creating plugins and stuff I THINK

[Sly_RJ]

Originally posted by FlyingIguana


its a ton of lost revenue tho. people don't care about money now?

Producers are weird? I have no idea. That's basically the conclusion Mutt (I think) came to with the BOB situation.

[<IMX>]

Pipecrew--
So how are they getting the licenses then?

[Pipecrew]

Originally posted by <IMX>
Pipecrew--
So how are they getting the licenses then?

no clue! i think AB got some heat earlier but cleaned up there act..... If i knew the answer to that, I'd own the best AVS system ever, those things are cash cows

[AB-Devil]

In reply to Mutt, I work for AB. All of our content is licensed. We have individual licensing contracts with each of our providers. As to all of the"illegal" content floating out there, try thinking about it from a different angle. Can you estimate as to how many xxx sites are out there? And once you come to a suitably high number try figuring out how long it would take you to go through each one of them page by page. Once you figure that out, let me know when you have some free time. I'll put you to work.

[Mutt]

i've talked to some of the video companies, totally out to lunch most of them when it comes to what's going on on the Net. No idea how much money is being made by others at their expense.
And they don't go looking for ripped off content.

so if you're a thief, you have a good chance at not getting caught, depends if u know which companies to stay clear of.

i really think though that if you've made some big money, almost all of them will settle for a modest amount before you have to defend yourself in court.

Video porn people are not the same type of people who run other businesses. The big studios like VCA, Vivid, Wicked are the exception, the majority of them are small companies, smaller than the Net companies that rip them off.

[Sambuka]

Yes all of your content that you give to your webmasters is licenced I believe that, it gives you a nice cover, so when someone asks why there dvd's are a adultbouncer site you say "Hey we give all our members licenced DVD's that we supply to them and we have licenced heaps of content, 100's of dvd's. The others on the network own the licences to there own movies and we host them too, if you found a site on our network hosting one of your movies then of course we would remove the offending movies and tell the webmaster not to do it again, or remove the webmaster all together.

The movie company would usually be happy with that and since you seem so legit now, nobody would question it further.

Thats what i think is going on anyways, most of the new sites are 100% licenced, there trying to do the 100% licenced stuff but they have some BIG old sites likes http://ramimovies.com/ and others that probably are too big and sort after to remove.

Btw, how much did perfect10 get from sueing adultcheck for having a bunch of sites hosting perfect10 images??

Sammy

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by Mutt
I and they know doesn't have a license from anybody.

good job detective

[Madball]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


good job detective

What would we do without good ole Sherlock Holmes, eh?

[SR]

Beside buying a license for 1400 DVDs you can also make deals to pay x$ per member.

I've seen some sites that have "Private" videos and I heard that they don't sell their content.
And true alot of ppl running movie sites with the AVS sites are the same asses that run the movie forums.

[m0rph3us]

Originally posted by SR
Beside buying a license for 1400 DVDs you can also make deals to pay x$ per member.

I've seen some sites that have "Private" videos and I heard that they don't sell their content.
And true alot of ppl running movie sites with the AVS sites are the same asses that run the movie forums.

people runnign these avs sites are asses ?

[<IMX>]

SR--
Yep, they are the very same people with movie forums and other leech type sites...which again makes you wonder if they are policing the content adequately.

In fairness though, Adult Check just started doing this activily after they lost the P10 suit.

[FlyingIguana]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


show me a site with Private movies.

bang bus

[<IMX>]

bahahahah

that is a perfect example.

You could use bangbus content on a regular avs site, as long as you only had bang bus banners etc. But these avs's do not allow upsales so...there you go.

[SR]

Originally posted by m0rph3us


people runnign these avs sites are asses ?

No the people running movie hotlink forums are asses.

A few months back I came across a site with movies from Private but I don't remember which site it was.