Tube 8 / Pornhub / Other Cronies stealing our content...

[xxxjay]

http://www.tube8.com/ebony/sydnee-ca...tt-hunt/88360/

[american pervert]

i jerk to xhampster.com

[bufferover]

Can't believe that these guys are still up

[Fabien]

Something's got to be done against this !

Rarity is the keyword to make sales.
If it's only one minute to 3 mins clips from sponsors or from paid content. It's ok. Legal tubes if you prefer or what i prefer to call them, TGP3. We have to adapt to the reality that it's almost 2010 and that internet evolved.
It will never be like in the mid 90's when you only had to show a few pics.


With this said:
TEAZERS ONLY not fucking full movies that you don't even own the rights !
How the hell are they suppose to buy ? Also, i hate the dog eat dog era we're in.

[Lassitor]

Something's got to be done against this !

Rarity is the keyword to make sales.
If it's only one minute to 3 mins clips from sponsors or from paid content. It's ok. Legal tubes if you prefer or what i prefer to call them, TGP3. We have to adapt to the reality that it's almost 2010 and that internet evolved.
It will never be like in the mid 90's when you only had to show a few pics.


With this said:
TEAZERS ONLY not fucking full movies that you don't even own the rights !
How the hell are they suppose to buy ? Also, i hate the dog eat dog era we're in.

There are a lot of bad myths about using copyrighted content. Some people think that if you use under 30 seconds of someones video or song that you are OK..that is totally wrong! You cannot use anyones copyrighted content without permission for any length of time. So, cutting up a teazer of someones copyrighted material and putting it on my site to sell the full video is technically a violation of the law.

To sue any one of these sites that has stolen content is going to cost about eight grand to just get the ball rolling. However, I suspect that once the initial letters are sent the videos will get pulled and you can settle for the cost of legal fees. Anyone got the balls to do this?

[Fukcdoll]

Something's got to be done against this !

Rarity is the keyword to make sales.
If it's only one minute to 3 mins clips from sponsors or from paid content. It's ok. Legal tubes if you prefer or what i prefer to call them, TGP3. We have to adapt to the reality that it's almost 2010 and that internet evolved.
It will never be like in the mid 90's when you only had to show a few pics.


With this said:
TEAZERS ONLY not fucking full movies that you don't even own the rights !
How the hell are they suppose to buy ? Also, i hate the dog eat dog era we're in.

I think I see where you're going here...

Like the teasers the girls put out on their free tours- if they upload those and give credit to the model, site, etc... it's not so bad. But when guys start breaking in to -OR- legitimately joining members areas, and uploading full length videos- that's when things have gone too far!!!

The world is dog eat dog, in porn, in law, hell even if you work at Wlamart, some one's gonna try to fuck you over to get ahead, that is the world we live in- but we need have some sort of standards implemented where our PAID areas are protected!!!

Some kind of regulations or standards for the tubes, where they have to collect the information, documentation, behind all uploaded videos over a certain length- or all vids even, I dunno?

But I agree with you- what they're doing sucks ass

[incredibleworkethic]

http://www.tube8.com/ebony/sydnee-ca...tt-hunt/88360/

A whole 30 minutes sheetttt.

I bet you they won't be joining through me in the future, but coming back to tube 8 for more of your content.

This has got to stop.

[xxxjay]

A whole 30 minutes sheetttt.

I bet you they won't be joining through me in the future, but coming back to tube 8 for more of your content.

This has got to stop.

I sent a DMCA on the 30th. Look how far that got me.

[Barefootsies]

There are a lot of bad myths about using copyrighted content. Some people think that if you use under 30 seconds of someones video or song that you are OK..that is totally wrong! You cannot use anyones copyrighted content without permission for any length of time. So, cutting up a teazer of someones copyrighted material and putting it on my site to sell the full video is technically a violation of the law.

To sue any one of these sites that has stolen content is going to cost about eight grand to just get the ball rolling. However, I suspect that once the initial letters are sent the videos will get pulled and you can settle for the cost of legal fees. Anyone got the balls to do this?

True dat.

[Fletch XXX]

I sent a DMCA on the 30th. Look how far that got me.

Sent it to the host?

Who hosts all these big tubes?

Tube8?

PornHub?

Red Tube?

who hosts em?

[Nautilus]

Video is still up there.

[mOrrI]

Sent it to the host?

Who hosts all these big tubes?

Tube8?

PornHub?

Red Tube?

who hosts em?

They probably don't give a shit!

[billywatson]

Sent it to the host?

Who hosts all these big tubes?

Tube8?

PornHub?

Red Tube?

who hosts em?

I think Swiftwill does.

[digitaldivas]

I sent a DMCA on the 30th. Look how far that got me.

...damn Jay

[adultpir]

maybe it will be better to send reports to SE - google, yahoo, bing etc?

[jackbdirty]

All the Tube Sites need to DIE!!!!

[just a punk]

maybe it will be better to send reports to SE - google, yahoo, bing etc?

As far as I can see, Google won't give a shit. Look at its SERP's for any adult keyword (even some paysite name): illegal tubes, "rapidshare searches" are torrents are always at the top of the list.

[Nautilus]

Why would google give a shit, if paysite owners themselves do not give a shit and never send them proper DMCAs.

[Robbie]

As far as I can see, Google won't give a shit. Look at its SERP's for any adult keyword (even some paysite name): illegal tubes, "rapidshare searches" are torrents are always at the top of the list.

Google does take things down all the time. But it has to be a link to something that you own. You can't just DMCA them for a keyword! LOL But you CAN dmca them for links to your content. In other words if you find a link on google that goes to one of YOUR vids you can get that yanked down with a dmca.

We do it all the time. But you have to have a good strategy. You have to choose what you want to do. If you dmca the actual vid off of the site that has it....then you can NOT dmca google to get the link down.

So many times we leave google alone and go after the site itself and get the vid pulled. Eventually that link on google will then drop away on it's own.

People on the outside looking in that think paysite owners are just doing nothing don't always understand what we are doing.

[ArsewithClass]

I wouldnt mind, if I had some advertising from it. But when I found some of my content on jizzhut, the content only had the titles at the beginning & our website name at the end!!!
Some fucker had cut it purposely to add to a frigging tube site! Wankers!

[Nautilus]

Eventually that link on google will then drop away on it's own.

But the point is getting a site completely delisted from google, after enough complaints were sent.

[Robbie]

But the point is getting a site completely delisted from google, after enough complaints were sent.

I'm not sure if that is possible. The DMCA law only allows us to go after our own content. So I don't think it's YET possible to get a site yanked completely from google.

Hell if you can type in "beastiality" and get search results...I don't think pornhub is gonna be yanked out of google or any other search engine anytime soon for big keywords.

And as much as I hate to say it...IF they were yanked, it would be censorship. And that's something that could come down on all of us in the end.

So for now what's needed is for every paysite owner to get links that go specifically to their content dmca'd off of every site they find it on.

You would be shocked at how the type in sales at CM have SKYROCKETED since we began protecting our content and aggressively hunting down the old stuff and getting it taken down.

I only wish our affiliates still had the traffic they had before everybody started going to tubes/torrent sites because they would be making a killing too.

You just have to do everything you can to keep your stuff in your members area. Be proactive. And your bank account will thank you.

[moviebiz]

The best way to get illegal tubes down:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=934086&page=2

1). check the host , where illegal tube site located.

2). find nearest local police site - must be the same location as host (in case of tnaflix.com its: http://www.meldpuntcybercrime.nl)

3). report all underage clips from illegal tube to police site (as CP) , report link to tube host aswell.

4) do it as much times as you can, i think 1000s of emails can affect to better
communication between local police and tube host owners

[Nautilus]

The DMCA law only allows us to go after our own content.

Well I have never suggested otherwise - just send DMCA to google to delist the page that has your content in it. If they get hundrerds of such complaints, they may get sick and delist the site altogether - and it will not be censorship, just following the law.

[Robbie]

Well I have never suggested otherwise - just send DMCA to google to delist the page that has your content in it. If they get hundrerds of such complaints, they may get sick and delist the site altogether - and it will not be censorship, just following the law.

Is that a law? I don't know. Maybe we could finally get an attorney to chime in on this subject? I'd like to know. Because if it is a law, then one would think that those sites would already be De-listed on google.
That's why I'm pretty sure it's not a law. The big Hollywood movie studios and record companies and software companies would have had TPB off of google a long time ago if all it took was a lot of complaints. At least that seems logical to me.

[Cyber Fucker]

The best way to get illegal tubes down:
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...=934086&page=2

1). check the host , where illegal tube site located.

2). find nearest local police site - must be the same location as host (in case of tnaflix.com its: http://www.meldpuntcybercrime.nl)

3). report all underage clips from illegal tube to police site (as CP) , report link to tube host aswell.

4) do it as much times as you can, i think 1000s of emails can affect to better
communication between local police and tube host owners

lol.....

[Nautilus]

Is that a law? I don't know. Maybe we could finally get an attorney to chime in on this subject? I'd like to know. Because if it is a law, then one would think that those sites would already be De-listed on google.
That's why I'm pretty sure it's not a law. The big Hollywood movie studios and record companies and software companies would have had TPB off of google a long time ago if all it took was a lot of complaints. At least that seems logical to me.

Do not know why didn't they (major Hollywood studios) put some pressure on Google (probably just poor coordination), but it looks like they could get it delisted if they did:

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...ing-pirate-bay
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/10...gle_piratebay/

The last article mentions some "firm which specialises in protecting porn copyrights", I wonder wasn't it RYC?

As to whether it is law or not... Well, DMCA is definitely a law, and it requires Google to delist at least the offending pages after getting proper DMCA complaints. Whether it goes to the extent of delisting a site completely after say, 1K of such complaints, I don't know too, but I think that's totally possible, simply because google may get finally sick of it or will consider risks to be too high - they have enough lawsuits already including the huge one from Viacom, and they've already lost several other copyright cases. Maybe the law does not literally requires them to delist a site after 1K complaints were sent, but they may do so just to stay out of trouble.

[Nautilus]

lol.....

What's so funny? He proposed a legit way to put some additional pressure on the illegal tubes, using the unfortunate (for them) circumstance we're all very well aware of - that they do not have access to any of the 2257 records for the content they host at their servers. Unlike legit webmasters, they cannot call their sponsors for help and ask to provide such records - I think I'd choke to death from laughter if some illegal tube who stole our videos would have emailed me and asked to send them 2257 docs. Now THAT's funny.

Reporting them to the police costs nothing yet puts some additional pressure on them even if they find nothing - it'll cost them time, money on lawyers, nerves etc. The more pressure, the better.

[StarkReality]

Reporting them to the police costs nothing yet puts some additional pressure on them even if they find nothing - it'll cost them time, money on lawyers, nerves etc. The more pressure, the better.

Certainly a good idea, but unfortunately many tubes seem to be operated from outside the US, so 2257 is no problem for them at all.

[MaxxB]

very nice idea indeed

that can help for sure

what we all should do is cooperate and send a lot of reports

[Tickler]

Why are people reluctant to get cops/courts involved. They do put those FBI warning on the videos for a reason, not just decoration.

Certainly a good idea, but unfortunately many tubes seem to be operated from outside the US, so 2257 is no problem for them at all.

And in a lot of those countries porn is illegal. Get their name in front of the cops there and see what happens.

Just look at the 1000s of copyright notices filed with the cops in Korea against heavy uploaders. They may not get too many of them to court, but they have been outed in a country where porn is illegal.

[degban]

Something's got to be done against this !

Rarity is the keyword to make sales.
If it's only one minute to 3 mins clips from sponsors or from paid content. It's ok. Legal tubes if you prefer or what i prefer to call them, TGP3. We have to adapt to the reality that it's almost 2010 and that internet evolved.
It will never be like in the mid 90's when you only had to show a few pics.


With this said:
TEAZERS ONLY not fucking full movies that you don't even own the rights !
How the hell are they suppose to buy ? Also, i hate the dog eat dog era we're in.

If you guys are not using a protection service we might be able to help with this? Hit me up for a chat it doesnt cost a cent at least you make a new friend !

[isokinkee]

Fucking Brazzer scumbags. get em Jay!

[HerPimp]

Need to come up with some type of video encryption tool that only lets users watch the videos through a encrypted stream. Don't allow videos to be downloaded etc.. cut the loss of all the shit out there.

[Nautilus]

Need to come up with some type of video encryption tool that only lets users watch the videos through a encrypted stream. Don't allow videos to be downloaded etc.. cut the loss of all the shit out there.

This encryption tool is called Adobe Media Server, costs under 1 grand.

[Robert Day]

cool stuff

[LickMyBalls]

This encryption tool is called Adobe Media Server, costs under 1 grand.

Yeah.. it's been busted too... so has Blu-ray btw..

[Robbie]

Yeah.. it's been busted too... so has Blu-ray btw..

You don't just use FMS, you use FMS along with some backend scripting, and you CAN stop your shit from being downloaded. I've tested it against every known software available that downloads streaming vids...including the hardest one to stop of them all: Replay Media. You're not being accurate when you say it's been "busted" FMS in and of itself was never meant to stop you from downloading a stream. It does make it tougher. But using it in conjunction with a lot of backend work is extremely effective.

[armus]

all of those paysites cometogether and they establish a monitoring service for all of these tubes and bust them with the biggest penalties whenever they release any copyrighted metarial.

[HomerSimpson]

"This video is deleted."

[fatfoo]

Yeah, they do that. Stealing content...

[KirzenChat]

what a suprise.... :S

[rjDynamic]

choopa hosts RedTube

If that helps :-)

[djtomcat]

Can't believe that these guys are still up

[OTerror]

these sites kill the industry. Why would anyone pay for porn

[orangedistrict]

fuck....

[degban]

There are a lot of bad myths about using copyrighted content. Some people think that if you use under 30 seconds of someones video or song that you are OK..that is totally wrong! You cannot use anyones copyrighted content without permission for any length of time. So, cutting up a teazer of someones copyrighted material and putting it on my site to sell the full video is technically a violation of the law.

To sue any one of these sites that has stolen content is going to cost about eight grand to just get the ball rolling. However, I suspect that once the initial letters are sent the videos will get pulled and you can settle for the cost of legal fees. Anyone got the balls to do this?

It is very easy to remove material from these websites, we do this on regular basis for our clients, and if some website ignores the notices that gives the producer enough juice to sue them successfully.

[LickMyBalls]

It is very easy to remove material from these websites, we do this on regular basis for our clients, and if some website ignores the notices that gives the producer enough juice to sue them successfully.

Stop spamming for fish and do some actual work.

[kjmaster]

This idea works sometimes, worth trying...

[boduzapho]

Theiving Bastards, there is something you can do..

I'm offering this up as free advice from someone (myself) who has been around a very long time.

I have in the past created content delivery applications that make stealing your content very difficult. It involves using a modified video codex that is not available to the public, the one i use is a modified version of a popular video format. Now this does not prevent them from recording you video from a browser, but that is a pain in the butt to do, they would have to want it bad. If they were able to download the video from you they would not be able to play it.

I'm not going to let my secretes completely out of the bag, but if you can read between the lines you can I am sure figure this out for yourselves.

The other option is to NOT use an standard player but custom player that has access to running processes on the host machine that can detect ripping applications. MMO games use this method to stop cheaters. It is not easy to do, but it can be done.

Anyway that's my

Feel free to contact me if you have questions.