Can you even make a living as an affiliate anymore?

If it effects the affiliates, it effects the site owners too.
Contact the site owners, find out if they are seeing the same problem. If they are, encourage them to use another processor. If you are losing money, they are losing money!
Don't sit quietly.

If you are getting hit by carders, your processors have the scrub on extra hard for your account and that's why your conversions took a dive. Get rid of the carders (seek professional help) and then have a chat with your billers.

And I just joined a real good looking CCBill prog yesterday because the sites look good, the content of the sites is stuff I know I can convert BUT, I also know I wont convert because it is CCBill prog.

No wonder I am cranky lately.

But I am putting links up today, why. Because the surfer will like the sites, maybe I'll get a sup, AND because Steve Lightspeed (in his honor) told me (in his 20 questions a month back) to be nice to the surfer. And Ya know I tried blind links lately and that shit is dead. So I'm going with Steve's advice and give em a freebee.

OK not that cranky.

With all due respect RK, I figure they see what I see.
I'm not the only guy on the boards bitchin about CCBill.

I guess deep down I hope CCBill will hear the one, annoying, whining cat and throw a little more milk in the bowl. Or I won't snuggle up no more and will go over to the neighbor Mr. Nats for good.

The question is how to make a living as an affiliate? If you want to make a living being an affiliate marketer, you need to find out and embrace some tactics and put everything in their respective place. Anyhow, webmasters must be honest, especially to themselves.

If ya have one good sponsor who converts decently you are still in the game. And I think most of us have that. The problem is we used to have 20 good sponsors. Now we are doing good if we have 5.

Shit still sells. Just less shit sells.

back in the day money used to grow on trees or just fall like snow flakes - you just had to pick 'em
nowadays you have to work for it.

1 golden age is over.. there will be plenty of others tho

name that sponsor with ratio 0:7k

great position

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good luck

If Artie Lange were a paysite owner he would say

"waaaaaahhhh I'm an affiliate, waaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh"

Ok, say you are a paysite owner? Where exactly is your money supposed to come from? Not just for the paysite owner, but for everyone else down the line. Now the money trail goes dead, where is the money to shoot new content supposed to come from. I guess you just stop production and just have a web full of old content and adult dating ads.

Shit, we are over half there now.

Only in this the only business could people be robbing each other blind and somebody thinks it is a good thing.

I just don't get it.

Jay, I was aiming that at me because when I read my post back I came across as whining.

I don't know what to tell ya but, what I see is only a few sites sell and a lot don't. Now this is prob related to my traffic so this whole damn thing is moot.

I think the surfer is more picky in a nutshell and competition for paysites is through the roof.

I just signed up as I say for a CCBill prog (no I can't mention it) but it is new on the scene and looks good to me. With hungry young bucks getting into the paysite game it is great for me.

My business is finding winners. Simple as that.

And as RK open my eyes a bit.. I can run with the winds and promote who sells while a paysite venture is a hell of an undertaking.

I have always said publicly (and I use to name names) that I LOVE my sponsors who convert and of course I am dead loyal to them and them to me. As are you to your winners.

THAT is one of the nicer things about this game. The sponsor-affil relation is great when it is working.

I have no reason to bitch and no affil does. We can play the game with very little investment. And if we can invest thats even better.

So I appreciate paysite owners who could buy and sell me allow me to speak my piece as you always have.

Jay. Sorry I couldn't give you a more direct answer to your question. I would look like an even bigger fool if I start tackling complex problems like tubes ruining paysites ect.

I do know times are very tough out here in affiliate web land. I hope the paysite can survive because if it can't. I can't.

But I know the guys in this biz will get it done. They always have. And I'll continue following them as I always have.

This thread is an excellent read, very insightful really. Our income shrunk by 50% within less than a year as affiliates ( ie: we cannot live out of it ) Luckily ee are involved into other ventures that make up for the loss, but still are looking for new ideas to build up more for when the economy gets better.

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