Be careful when doing business with Adult Copywriters

[iameros]

Hi

I'm posting this as a warning to all webmasters who intend doing business with Adult Copywriters as I have just had a very bad experience with them.

I've previously used Adult Copywriters, along with many other writers on these boards and whilst the posts were delivered slightly later than expected and the price of the work is higher than most other adult copy writers, for the most part I was pleased with the quality of the work.

Based on this I decided to give them another project of 210 blog posts to write. I dicussed the project with John Falcon from Adult Copywriters and we agred on the paramaters and price of the project, which was that it would take six weeks and half of the posts would be delivered in 3 weeks. I paid my deposit, sent an email with an attachment which contained a few hundred galleries and specifically marked which one's I needed done. I also explained this very clearly in the mail.

Just after 3 weeks the first batch of posts were delivered. It took me day or two to get around to looking at them but when i did, I realised he had delivered 105 gallery posts, but only 20 of them were one's that I had marked. So 85 incorrect ones in total.

I sent an email asking him what was going to be done and did not receive a reply. I sent a few more mails and after about four days he eventually got back to me.

He offered to refund me my money and deliver the remaining (incorrect posts) as well as to allow me to retain rights to the one's already sent. I said this was fair and so the refund went through. This was last week.

A short while ago I contacted Falcon to ask him what had happened to the rest of the posts. I will post the transcript of that conversation in another message below.

[iameros]

Having trouble posting the transcript. I said when can i expect the rest of the posts, he said he changed his mind. An argument ensued in which I was called a piece of shit and told to fuck off. Nice.

My position is that whilst he did refund me my money, he did offer to make good by giving me the rest of the posts. When he changed his mind, he didn't even see fit to let me know.

Some of you may have had different experiences with Adult Copywriters but this was mine and it was very unpleasant.

[J. Falcon]

Due to the fact that I admitted our mistake, the above user got ALL his money back + half the work for FREE. I have done business with hundreds of webmasters in adult and mainstream and never once had any problem of this kind. The above user intended that I give him all the money back(which I did) plus give him ALL the work for free.

If you are a writer or offer any other kind of service, I strong advise you to stay away from this individual. It is not enough that I gave him all his money back, he also wants me to give him the work at no cost.

[iameros]

Due to the fact that I admitted our mistake, the above user got ALL his money back + half the work for FREE. I have done business with hundreds of webmasters in adult and mainstream and never once had any problem of this kind. The above user intended that I give him all the money back(which I did) plus give him ALL the work for free.

If you are a writer or offer any other kind of service, I strong advise you to stay away from this individual. It is not enough that I gave him all his money back, he also wants me to give him the work at no cost.

Just to be clear I never asked John Falcon for the additional posts. HE OFFERED THEM. Then he changed his mind and didn't think it was worth even lettting me know. Is this really fair.

Also, if anyone else on this board, including writers has ever had a bad experience in doing business with me, please feel free to post here.

[iameros]

This is the email he sent me when i sent my complaint;

Micheal,

Money has been sent. I even sent it through a Mass Payment so that you would not have to pay the fees.
You can keep the first 105 posts and do whatever you want with them. You can also keep the next 105 that I will be sending through shortly.

I hope this makes up for your trouble, and I hope you explain to anyone that is aware of our situation that I made amends as best I could given the circumstances.

[EscortBiz]

Due to the fact that I admitted our mistake, the above user got ALL his money back + half the work for FREE. I have done business with hundreds of webmasters in adult and mainstream and never once had any problem of this kind. The above user intended that I give him all the money back(which I did) plus give him ALL the work for free.

If you are a writer or offer any other kind of service, I strong advise you to stay away from this individual. It is not enough that I gave him all his money back, he also wants me to give him the work at no cost.

a) I use falcon for over 6 months now, never a issue never a problem, and is always reachable

b) he did something most wouldnt do, he went ahead gave you money back and work

I tried many writers here, not all but many, falcon is solid as can be

[Domain Broker]

[MOxxx]

Hi

I'm posting this as a warning to all webmasters who intend doing business with Adult Copywriters as I have just had a very bad experience with them.

I've previously used Adult Copywriters, along with many other writers on these boards and whilst the posts were delivered slightly later than expected and the price of the work is higher than most other adult copy writers, for the most part I was pleased with the quality of the work.

Based on this I decided to give them another project of 210 blog posts to write. I dicussed the project with John Falcon from Adult Copywriters and we agred on the paramaters and price of the project, which was that it would take six weeks and half of the posts would be delivered in 3 weeks. I paid my deposit, sent an email with an attachment which contained a few hundred galleries and specifically marked which one's I needed done. I also explained this very clearly in the mail.

Just after 3 weeks the first batch of posts were delivered. It took me day or two to get around to looking at them but when i did, I realised he had delivered 105 gallery posts, but only 20 of them were one's that I had marked. So 85 incorrect ones in total.

I sent an email asking him what was going to be done and did not receive a reply. I sent a few more mails and after about four days he eventually got back to me.

He offered to refund me my money and deliver the remaining (incorrect posts) as well as to allow me to retain rights to the one's already sent. I said this was fair and so the refund went through. This was last week.

A short while ago I contacted Falcon to ask him what had happened to the rest of the posts. I will post the transcript of that conversation in another message below.

Rule # 1 : When you want to start a Drama thread at least put something in you sig.

I worked with Jfalcon for 3 years now and never had a single issue with him or his company.

[iameros]

a) I use falcon for over 6 months now, never a issue never a problem, and is always reachable

b) he did something most wouldnt do, he went ahead gave you money back and work

I tried many writers here, not all but many, falcon is solid as can be

Glad to hear you had a good experience. Wish I could say the same

[Adult Creative Labs]

I've known John Falcon personally for years and he's a solid guy.

Don't know what went wrong here, but it does sound reasonable that you don't get ALL the work for free. You got your money back and he even sent some of the work free of charge to make up for this honest mistake? Sounds like a hell of a lot more than some guys around here would do.

My business and personal relationship with John Falcon are among the best I've had out of all the people I've met here on GFY.

[iameros]

Rule # 1 : When you want to start a Drama thread at least put something in you sig.

I worked with Jfalcon for 3 years now and never had a single issue with him or his company.

I wasn't aware of the correct etiquette. Please explain what you mean about putting something in my sig?

[iameros]

I've known John Falcon personally for years and he's a solid guy.

Don't know what went wrong here, but it does sound reasonable that you don't get ALL the work for free. You got your money back and he even sent some of the work free of charge to make up for this honest mistake? Sounds like a hell of a lot more than some guys around here would do.

My business and personal relationship with John Falcon are among the best I've had out of all the people I've met here on GFY.

Then why promise me the additional posts and then not even bother to let me know that he's changed his mind? Is that the sign of a very professional company?

[nikad]

Sorry, but this does not sound like a rip off at all: they made a mistake, gave you a prompt full refund no questions asked, delivered part of the work plus you kept those extra posts, what else would you want? This looks just fine in my book, it really did not deserve this post at all.

[iameros]

Sorry, but this does not sound like a rip off at all: they made a mistake, gave you a prompt full refund no questions asked, delivered part of the work plus you kept those extra posts, what else would you want? This looks just fine in my book, it really did not deserve this post at all.

thanks for the response, I resepct your opinion but in my book when someone promises to make good and then only makes half good that's not good business.

[Bravo]

I have worked with J. Falcon and Adult Copywriters for close to a year now. He has handled work worth several thousands of dollars each month and has been not only extremely professional, but also very honest and reliable.

[iameros]

Glad to hear that so many of you have had good experiences with this provider. Wish I could say the same. Six weeks of waiting and I have 20 posts I asked for.

[J. Falcon]

Glad to hear that so many of you have had good experiences with this provider. Wish I could say the same. Six weeks of waiting and I have 20 posts I asked for.

You have 105 posts, plus you have all your money. In fact, you have more money than that which I received, since I was thoughtful enough to send you a mass payment and make sure you paid no paypal fee whatsoever. And still you wish to come here and try to tarnish my reputation and that of my company.

[iameros]

You have 105 posts, plus you have all your money. In fact, you have more money than that which I received, since I was thoughtful enough to send you a mass payment and make sure you paid no paypal fee whatsoever. And still you wish to come here and try to tarnish my reputation and that of my company.

I have 20 posts I asked for, 85 which I didn't. You offered me compensation and then changed your mind about some of it. Didn't even bother to drop me a mail to let me know.

I wish to warn other people about my experience so that they can make a more informed decision about which writer to use.

People can make up their own mind about whether they think your behaviour was professional or not. Maybe they will judge in your favour and in that case, this is good publicity for you.

[J. Falcon]

I wish to warn other people about my experience so that they can make a more informed decision about which writer to use.

Your experience was the following: I made a mistake, I gave you all your money back no questions asked. How many companies/individuals would do that? Thank you for letting everyone know that I am willing to admit I made a mistake and gave you back every single penny.

[Dating Port]

Don't know what went wrong here, but it does sound reasonable that you don't get ALL the work for free. You got your money back and he even sent some of the work free of charge to make up for this honest mistake? Sounds like a hell of a lot more than some guys around here would do.

I agree. John has done some work for me in the past and there has never been a problem. His work is solid and of very high quality.

I was even late paying him on time for a job and he waited patiently until I had things sorted out and paid him. Take your money and free work and be satisfied you got what you got.

[Arnox]

Then why promise me the additional posts and then not even bother to let me know that he's changed his mind? Is that the sign of a very professional company?

It's beyond me that you're bargaining for more than already delivered. Adult Copywriters isn't a huge international conglomerate with 10 offices stationed all over the world, we're a group of competent writers who, for the most part, deliver quality work.

There are literally 100s of posts that have trickle through the main program section where webmasters are screwed out of thousands of dollars by programs and content providers. Not only did we refund you every penny - we provided half of the content you ordered for free. Now, it's very easy to compare the situation to a fast food joint where, if a situation were to arise, you could probably bank on getting your cash back and meal for free. As previously stated, we're not a huge company that banks billions of dollars and can easily provide content for free. It's entirely unreasonable for you to to demand my boss takes two days out of working just to provide a free service for you after he's already done it once.

In all honestly I'm in awe of this whole post, which basically whittles down to:

The work I ordered wasn't delivered properly, I received all of my money back and half of the work for free, I'm not happy.

We are only human. Humans make mistakes and you'd be amazed at how many people don't even own up to it. I'm really sorry if you actually feel like you're the one who's been hard done by - but even from an imitated objective point-of-view, you've still got your cake and eaten it.

[onlytease]

We have worked with John for a while on a large project and they have delivered great work with no issues at all - and would and have recommended his services to others.

He admitted a mistake and offered very very good compensation, I think many others would have tried to pass it off and not admit an error, nor offer any compensation so fair play to John for what he offered.

He certainly comes highly recommended by us

[2intense]

great text

Glad to hear that so many of you have had good experiences with this provider. Wish I could say the same. Six weeks of waiting and I have 20 posts I asked for.

he write for me also lots of text,he write hq text,i paid i got my text all was ok.
i dont know, as long he refund all your many back + lots of text for free , why u write all of this?
is not nice ....


i will keep work with him every time i need quality text.

[CPimp]

Professional Reaction: You're a greedy idiot.
Personal Reaction: Are you fucking insane? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't dare expect the additional 105 blog posts on top of the 105 that you got for free. To sit there and whine about getting a ton of work for free from someone who not only made amends, but does it to make a living, if greedy and ignorant. Thanks for showing the good side of J Falcon and ACW. I was surprised to see how they handled the situation!

[Niktamer]

John Worked for us almost full time for 2 years + ACW still does many jobs for us.

I know him well and for the rare mistakes he made, he fixed them ASAP and was more than good handling the problems.

John is a pro and he clearly fixed the situation here.. the rest should be dealt offline.

[Adult Creative Labs]

I'm not criticizing the OP, but it is not surprising that John has such a good reputation. It seems like he's been doing his homework for years and building great relationships with his clients and employers.

I'm just happy to see that and wanted to comment on it. Good job, John!

[Maqua]

Yes its probably a good idea that you drop this iameros, he refunded your money and in turn you got a few blogs for free out of the deal 20 or 120 they were still for free,

J. Falcon did the right thing and beyond rep wise and customer service wise!!

[bloggingseo]

I have worked with John on many occasions and I can tell you he is probably the most professional writer I have known. He works really hard and he always keeps his word. You sound like you are a demanding jerk who not only wanted a refund but the work for free. I can promise you John may be nice but he is not a fool!

[DDUK]

Ive been using John Falcon for 2 years now, hes written tons of reviews and hundreds of blog posts and never had any problems :-)

[notime]

a) I use falcon for over 6 months now, never a issue never a problem, and is always reachable

b) he did something most wouldnt do, he went ahead gave you money back and work

I tried many writers here, not all but many, falcon is solid as can be

I had the same positive experience with John Falcon when it comes to actual business when I send him work to write.
It always came on time from John and without errors or flaws in spelling or grammar.

@poster:
Communication is one of the most difficult things in the world today.
Any form of not being absolutely clear as how you want things done in advance whereas the other party understands 100% what you mean, could end up in terrible miscommunication and assumptions (which are the "mother of all fuckups" usually, if you don't mind me using this well know quote, I mean no harm here for you but I will defend Jonh's reputation).

[bloggerz]

I have dealt with both guys and have nothing but good to say.
this is clearly just a mis-understanding that shouldve been taken care of inside the email you too seemed to have already been writing back and forth.....

[iameros]

Professional Reaction: You're a greedy idiot.
Personal Reaction: Are you fucking insane? I'm sorry, but I wouldn't dare expect the additional 105 blog posts on top of the 105 that you got for free. To sit there and whine about getting a ton of work for free from someone who not only made amends, but does it to make a living, if greedy and ignorant. Thanks for showing the good side of J Falcon and ACW. I was surprised to see how they handled the situation!

That's your profressional reaction. lol

[iameros]

I had the same positive experience with John Falcon when it comes to actual business when I send him work to write.
It always came on time from John and without errors or flaws in spelling or grammar.

@poster:
Communication is one of the most difficult things in the world today.
Any form of not being absolutely clear as how you want things done in advance whereas the other party understands 100% what you mean, could end up in terrible miscommunication and assumptions (which are the "mother of all fuckups" usually, if you don't mind me using this well know quote, I mean no harm here for you but I will defend Jonh's reputation).

Thank you for a very civil response. Just to clarify, I was very clear about what I wanted upfront and that was not delivered.

As to claims by other forum members that I'm being greedy or not grateful. What I got back is not the point, it's what i didn't get that was promised to me. I've been in business for 20 years and the one thing I've learnt is that your word is paramount.

If you say you're going to make good by doing something, then keep your word. If you can't then communicate with the person or company in question and explain why. John Falcon didn't keep his word and didn't bother to let me know.

Can you honestly say that's professional?

[iameros]

I have worked with John on many occasions and I can tell you he is probably the most professional writer I have known. He works really hard and he always keeps his word. You sound like you are a demanding jerk who not only wanted a refund but the work for free. I can promise you John may be nice but he is not a fool!

If expecting people to honour what they commit to doing makes me a demanding jerk then yes I am.

[notime]

Thank you for a very civil response. Just to clarify, I was very clear about what I wanted upfront and that was not delivered.

As to claims by other forum members that I'm being greedy or not grateful. What I got back is not the point, it's what i didn't get that was promised to me. I've been in business for 20 years and the one thing I've learnt is that your word is paramount.

If you say you're going to make good by doing something, then keep your word. If you can't then communicate with the person or company in question and explain why. John Falcon didn't keep his word and didn't bother to let me know.

Can you honestly say that's professional?

I am sure you and John can work this out together without threads being posted to be careful when doing business with John, which is not my personal experience, since I am rather happy with his work.
Talk to John and work it out (Outside the boards. Boards are THE last resort when it comes to business communication).

[iameros]

I am sure you and John can work this out together without threads being posted to be careful when doing business with John, which is not my personal experienc, since I rather am happy with his work.
Talk to John and work it out (Outside the boards. Boards are THE last resort when it comes to business communication).

I did try to earlier this evening but was told I was a "piece of shit" and to " fuck off" (all very professional), hence my post.

[Nicky]

This is one of the lamest threads I've read in a good while. You got balls though, I'll give ya that. You actually make a drama thread "calling someone out" that gave you all the money back and even free work!

Side note: Sure he could have said that you ain't getting the other 105 free posts, but honestly who can hold It against him when he has already made one and a half good, not half good like you said.

[themadwriter]

I am currently working on some projects for iameros and must say that he has always paid upfront and has always been very clear as to what he expects from the services I am providing him.

I have to say that in my honest opinion he's a stand-up guy and one of the few remaining honest individuals i have the honor of working with in this industry!

[iameros]

...You intermediately threatened...

Do you really want this guy writing your posts?

[iameros]

I am currently working on some projects for iameros and must say that he has always paid upfront and has always been very clear as to what he expects from the services I am providing him.

I have to say that in my honest opinion he's a stand-up guy and one of the few remaining honest individuals i have the honor of working with in this industry!

Thank you

[iameros]

This is one of the lamest threads I've read in a good while. You got balls though, I'll give ya that. You actually make a drama thread "calling someone out" that gave you all the money back and even free work!

Side note: Sure he could have said that you ain't getting the other 105 free posts, but honestly who can hold It against him when he has already made one and a half good, not half good like you said.

Possibly but not even drop the customer an email and let him know?

[iameros]

You may want to start telling the truth. You immediately threatened to come on the boards and "expose me" as if trying to ruin my reputation would somehow help make amends. I should have known from the beginning that you were not someone who was worth my time. It's not enough that you got all your money back and then some, you also expect to me to give you ALL the work for free. Think long and hard next time you want to come on a forum and mess with someone livelihood. As you can see, I have nothing but a solid reputation.

All the work for free? I don't think so, I got 20 posts for free and 85 posts I didn't ask for. I waited six weeks for those 20 posts. I didn't expect you to give me all the work for free, I expected you to do the job you were paid to do, When you didn't I expected you to make the amends that you said you would. You didn't

[bloggingseo]

I am currently working on some projects for iameros and must say that he has always paid upfront and has always been very clear as to what he expects from the services I am providing him.

I have to say that in my honest opinion he's a stand-up guy and one of the few remaining honest individuals i have the honor of working with in this industry!

You do realize your site is basically a complete rip off of adultcopywriters? Everything from the site name, to the meta titles to the way the site is laid out to how his services are named an organized.

[iameros]

You do realize your site is basically a complete rip off of adultcopywriters? Everything from the site name, to the meta titles to the way the site is laid out to how his services are named an organized.

He's a damn fine writer, that turned out 120 posts for me in a few days, all excellent quality and half the price of Adult Copywriters. I highly recommend him.

[trevesty]

I think I'm gonna order another 20 posts from him tomorrow after seeing this thread.

He's a solid guy; I'd recommend him to anyone.

[iameros]

we provided half of the content you ordered for free....

No, I didn't get half the content I ordered for free, I got 10% of the content I ordered for free, 20 posts. I didn't order the others, that was the fuck up.

[Tittylizer]

Be careful when doing business with Adult Copywriters, they give you your money back when they make a mistake and even include some free work.

Dude just be happy you were refunded and stop complaining. Honestly I don't understand what you are trying to prove here.

[Dating Port]

What??!! This is still going on??!! End it already..How lame

[themadwriter]

You do realize your site is basically a complete rip off of adultcopywriters? Everything from the site name, to the meta titles to the way the site is laid out to how his services are named an organized.

In case no one up until now in your life has told you, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one and they all stink.

Most any site that you got to that offers Adult Copywriting services is going to look pretty much the same.

If you don't like my site due to the fact that i don't have the equivalent capital to that of ACW so I can give you alot of eye appealing flash images to look at and whatnot, don't visit it!

[J. Falcon]

What??!! This is still going on??!! End it already..How lame

Are you kidding? This is great publicity.