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It was a simple question, but yet no answer. Not very easy to move on. Look at your sites Gleem, I know how hard you have worked for them and make them what they are. This is just laughing in all our faces.

Dave, i don't think you will ever get a real answer...
seems like a corporate thing these days...not like
the old days :2 cents:

my hand went numb from scrolling all the way thru this thread:helpme

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I fucked Ice's* mom... do the math!















* Iceman from Top Gun....

In economics, the parallel is this: If the unitary cost of technology ("per megabyte" or "per megabit per second" or "per thousand floating-point operations per second") is halving every 18 months, when does it come close enough to zero to say that you've arrived and can safely round down to nothing? The answer: almost always sooner than you think.

Remember everyone, we all have been producing and selling picture and video content on the internet for over 15 years now.....with the speed of the internet, thats 150 years :-)....but seriously. There is A LOT of picture and video build up and available at consumers fingertips....and the more there is available of, the cheaper it gets.....like it did for classifieds ads ( craigslist ) , like it did for web space ( myspace and many others ) , like cells phones are now free, and lots of others....

this i saw coming with adult content and hence why WorldWideContent.com was started.....and happy studios as well as happy clients!!!! We will always charge for content and will of course have cheaper content and of course will eventually have some free content, which will still make money with backend orders and services!

Oh and another observation for you guys....

Hulu.com is showing Jim Careys " Liar Liar " and lots of other selected movies, i wonder if blockbusters, netflicks, etc are complaining about their sales for those movies?

Most tube sites also pay for the content they showcase, or its promotional material business owners submit.....

You gotta be totally clueless to make such an ignorant statement.
Have you been under a rock for the last 2 years?

The reason so many people are so upset is that the tube sites in question USE STOLEN CONTENT WHICH THEY DO NOT PAY FOR and have no permission to use.

Yeah, that isn't true.

on the most part, that isn't true as xxxjay said, but, the ones with deep pockets, can certainly do things the legal way by making a bulk buy from places like WWC as well as produce their own stuff.

Start off stealing stuff, then go legit by licensing. no different than ripping from usenet back in the days, making money, and then licensing content and shooting own content to go legit.

this all just proves the evolution of the "adult product" to go much like like .com space, give stuff away for free, and make money off of advertising (ie. google, etc).

free porn is the lure for eyeballs, and advertisers pay to be in front of the eyeballs.

for those that say that tube/free traffic doesn't convert, certainly don't know the realiity of things. Choker tried to explain it folks. Others have dabbled with tube traffic and has seen its value.

if you run a paysite or are an affiliate, the tube "phenomenon" should be very disturbing to you, not just from a copyright or 2257 issue, but for the fact, they are, like all product (*ie. p2p) trying to legitimize themselves.

how can you compete with free when the quality of content is equal?

as jay23 and WWC have said, bandwidth is getting to be so cheap, that a tube site can afford to burn through bandwidth and free content to get to the sale.. even if it is 1:10000 if you have a large number of visitors showing up, the conversion number can still turn a profit, along with advertisers who will pay for the click and for the branding exposure.

money can still be made, particularly in niche content, but just wait for niche tube sites (like ones that show recorded webcam content) to come out, or see the tube sites push the niches further in their category list, to include those niches (not just the vanilla straight niches that they have now).



Fight the enemy mine!

i am sure that WWC knows this. he's making the point that free content (that has been licensed) is out there, and competes with companies who sell the same product.

Hulu makes their money off of advertising. Adult Tube sites make their money off of advertising.

Hulu is the mother mainstream tube site that proves what i just posted about how a tube site can use license content to make money through advertising (PPM, PPC, CPA) because b/w is cheap enough.

Fight the evolution!

See I wasnt go to get involved but I have to.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/2009/06/...-pay-for-hulu/
Mainstream is realizing free doesnt work. But the porn short bus keeps yelling free free. Its not evolution its we have to be the only fucking industry that adapts to people that fuck us. When it all crumbles and it will everyone can look in the mirror and wave.

ive watched a good number of tube videos, and the quality wasnt that good. A good paysite quality should be better than the quality of a free porn clip on a tube.

for the most part, yes, because higher quality means more bandwidth.. b/w prices are dropping, and as jay23 has posted many times, when b/w gets lower, video quality gets higher...


Fight the cause and effect!

it is evolution, just not with a desirable outcome for most.

fast forward a few years, tube sites could realize that despite lower b/w expenses and skyrocketing viewers, they can't make a big profit.... what does the scene look like then? maybe many paysites have shutdown much like how small businesses close up when walmart comes to town.... or paysites are rolled up into a handful of mega companies.

youtube is another good example of a high b/w free service that is struggling to generate revenue, much like Hulu.

as long as advertisers are seeing conversions from tube sites, they will continue the evolution of the biz models.

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we all saw tube sites coming. take a lesson from history, the moses tube sites should have been smited at birth.. meaning content holders should have squashed the infant tube sites while they were stealing content, before they got critical mass of traffic and able to license legit content (akin to mpaa/riaa efforts)

video/dvd content producers shouldn't have whored themselves by letting internet folks license their content out.. to ultimately, tube sites, who can purchase video content and rock bottom prices to be legit (even 2257 compliant)

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so it is an evolution of the biz model, you may not like it and not consider it to be forward progress, but the tube sites are following the mainstream trends that have been around for many years.

they could suffer the same problems as hulu and youtube, or do better, but that will be for each individual biz to figure out, and there will always be a winner... just like cockroaches, they don't go away.

many will use tube sites as the loss-leader for their own paysites.

in conclusion, tube sites won't go away for a very long time because they are evolving the biz model. consumers of porn think its great, producers of porn will think its great if their content is being licensed instead of stolen, paysites and affiliates won't like it.

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for content producers, tube sites could be their next best friend, since so many adult sites have created their own content, and licensing of content has gone down, and devalued to what it once was. content is king nowadays, because traffic is abundant and is now a commodity. content producers have an excellent shot at making money.


Fight the tastes great!

the threads posted about password access to various paysites was interesting. i was curious like most, to see if the passwords actually worked. once inside, it was amazing how disappointing the members area was.

little content, quality wasn't all that much better than on a tube site.

no wonder surfers are cancelling as soon as they come through the door for many sites.

some paysites do get it right, delivering high quality video and content (ie. FTVgirls - i actually joined this site for a month a few years ago because i wanted to see what it was like for a member's experience, and i have to say, i was impressed).

"RETENTION" should be on the tip of the tongue of every paysite owner, instead they have "CONVERSION".

Those that have mastered retention and conversion (and they are out there) are the ones that can still make money in the presence of tube sites.

Fight the finger wagging!

Saw this show on BBC a couple of weeks ago :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C0aK2XeDu50

Here you see AEBN's marketing director talk about their tubesites (they own a couple of big ones) bandwidth costs being higher then their tubesite advertising revenue. They actualy only do it because they can feed traffic to their paysites.

Also there is one thing nobody can offer for free ever : live shows with girls going all the way. That side of the business will never be hurt by tubesites. It's also very hard to get a positive ROI by advertising on sites that have this kind of freeloader traffic. Only the very big programs keep advertising there non-stop, probably just for branding.

[QUOTE=4pleasure;16356208]Saw this show on BBC a couple of weeks ago :

https://youtube.com/watch?v=C0aK2XeDu50


koenig pops in around 6 min mark


fight the embedding!

Sure but does the surfer care to pay for the "higher" quality. Some will, some wont. Shit I remember back when I was a kid watching scrambled porn on the television. I don't think people really care about the quality when its free on the tubes.

GFY is going to fast today... Couldn't find this thread.

I agree, somehow we still got to see something with it being scrambled and enjoyed it because it was free.

Everyone is still posting here as usual.

So they got the money AND they got your attention AND you're still posting (probably more than before Dave)

They won. :)

Your defending your clients :2 cents:

True Brad, they can have the click counts but that's all they'll get. They lost total respect from me and others.

As the cool kids say "word" :)

nobody is going to pay for the entire first season of threes company on hulu

the premium services on hulu will be things you will WANT to pay for, like movies fresh out of the theatre before they hit dvd, and pay network tv shows, etc...not reruns of family guy and a whole season of miami vice

hulu is a brilliant company and they have done things with their service and business that others will envy and study for years to come

Hey Cyber-Age Dave-

Hit me up,
Would love to talk with you.

My contact info is below.

Very true. Look at the popularity of MP3s. That format makes audiophiles cringe, but it doesn't matter to the rest of the world.

[Also there is one thing nobody can offer for free ever : live shows with girls going all the way. That side of the business will never be hurt by tubesites. .[/QUOTE]


Sorry but that also is not true. My company does this now, we broadcast TV quality live hardcore 24/7. It is absolutely free to the surfer. They can watch as long as they like in a fantastic quality feed.

How do we pay for it ? They viewers can also interact with the shows by calling the girls. We charge a premium for this feature. You dont get to talk to English speaking girls on most cam sites.

Sure you need 200 viewers to get one caller, but wouldn't most of you guys love a 1:200 ratio in todays market ?

Sorry but that also is not true. My company does this now, we broadcast TV quality live hardcore 24/7. It is absolutely free to the surfer. They can watch as long as they like in a fantastic quality feed.

How do we pay for it ? They viewers can also interact with the shows by calling the girls. We charge a premium for this feature. You dont get to talk to English speaking girls on most cam sites.

Sure you need 200 viewers to get one caller, but wouldn't most of you guys love a 1:200 ratio in todays market ?[/QUOTE]

Link to what you are talking about?

CyberAge-Dave,

I just sent you a mail with links to 2 of the shows.

has there been ANY reply from Eric/Ice/etc about this?

if you are a content producer and have not filed for copyright on your work, jump into my new thread:

How to copyright your content for DMCA and infringements
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=929941

and now back to your regularly scheduled tube bashing...


Fight the interlude!

as far as i can see absolutely nothing, pretty funny and sad at the same time.... they go around banning everybody but selectively ignore any criticism posts.