Why isn't there a Big Brother shit going on in Adult?

[Twig]

I understand the idea behind "Fuck THEM, I need money for ME" but why doesn't anyone ever take a noob under his wing and teach him the ways of success?
If YOU are teaching them, it isn't exactly likely they will become BETTER than you and overtake your market/sites. Plus, if you refer them to their programs, that's bank for WM referrals.
If you teach a new guy how to make money on his own, he will be your eternal friend and business acquaintance. Take someone in, teach him how to be successful and he will always be there to help you back.
If there are 8billion shitty blogs/TGPs just over saturating everything, people are practically FORCED to go to tubes and watch the shit free, because everywhere else is just shit.
Maybe I watched Karate Kid too many times in the past month, or maybe it's something that actually needs to be done.

[Barefootsies]

I have tried it in adult online. I have tried in real life locally. The fact of the matter is, and it's been said many times, people simply do not want to work.

Period.

There are still people who think online adult is a winning lotto ticket, and that 'sex sells' and you do not have to chase down the dollars like any other real life business. Which simply is not true.

At least for me, there is a daily routine that is not 'up in the air' or takes second fiddle to your kids, your boyfriend, or girlfriend woes, or the endless other list of excuses I have heard over the years for people wanting to leave early, or not show up.

Just like with models, assistants, handymen, and apprentices..... it is a WILL issue. Not a skill issue. Very very few people today have that will, drive, or dedication. It is the age of entitlements, laziness, and apathy.

[L-Pink]

When it came to an aggressive do it right work ethic I couldn't even get my younger brother to pay attention.

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[Twig]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have tried it in adult online. I have tried in real life locally. The fact of the matter is, and it's been said many times, people simply do not want to work.

Period.

There are still people who think online adult is a winning lotto ticket, and that 'sex sells' and you do not have to chase down the dollars like any other real life business. Which simply is not true.

At least for me, there is a daily routine that is not 'up in the air' or takes second fiddle to your kids, your boyfriend, or girlfriend woes, or the endless other list of excuses I have heard over the years for people wanting to leave early, or not show up.

Just like with models, assistants, handymen, and apprentices..... it is a WILL issue. Not a skill issue. Very very few people today have that will, drive, or dedication. It is the age of entitlements, laziness, and apathy.

Hmm. Very good reply. I can definitely see it that way.

[Twig]

Originally Posted by L-Pink

When it came to an aggressive do it right work ethic I couldn't even get my younger brother to pay attention.

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See, and I would think doing something like this would prevent people from straying from the path of the righteous and keep them doing it the right and ethical way.
You would practically have someone watching over your shoulder at all times.

[Riffhard]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Very very few people today have that will, drive, or dedication. It is the age of entitlements, laziness, and apathy.

I blame piracy.

Seriously. What's the point in working hard to buy something you want when you can just get it for free? And why work hard to create something great when you know people will just steal it from right under your nose?

[Twig]

Originally Posted by Riffhard

I blame piracy.

Seriously. What's the point in working hard to buy something you want when you can just get it for free? And why work hard to create something great when you know people will just steal it from right under your nose?

A good point, but I think you have to look at it differently, or you just won't make anything.
It sucks, but you have to work harder at it, to convert time and hard work to money.
Although it does get me demotivated, have to try and push the thoughts of piracy and people jacking your content off your back, and work that much harder.
Wish it was as easy to FOLLOW that advice, as it is to GIVE it.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Riffhard

I blame piracy.

That's called laziness, entitlement, apathy.

Already covered.

[CHARGER]

Hey !!!! Newbie here !!! im ready to be adopted !!! i know how to get traffic and i get traffic (for real) just dont know how to do other stuff besides that

[Carmine Raguso]

Voyeur Dorm... not the same but close e-fucking-nuff

Made money back in the day, not even sure what happens with that shit today

[halfpint]

This thread just gave me a good idea for a new adult website

Porn BIG Brother You could copy the big brother show that is on TV and turn it into a live show broadcast over the net Basically the same as big brother but with lots of fucking going on Wish I had the money to do something like this

Sorry for hijacking your thread

Back to the original subject

I have had a few new people sign up under my affliate ref link becuase I took the time to speak to them on ICQ and one of them is now making me money.

I am also fairly new at the adult biz but I know exactly what you mean when you first get into this biz its a minefield and very hard to get someone to actually talk to you about how to even start up I know there are forums you can read up on but its kinda nice to have some one who knows the biz to ask questions when you need to.

[Twig]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Back to the original subject

I have had a few new people sign up under my affliate ref link becuase I took the time to speak to them on ICQ and one of them is now making me money.

I am also fairly new at the adult biz but I know exactly what you mean when you first get into this biz its a minefield and very hard to get someone to actually talk to you about how to even start up I know there are forums you can read up on but its kinda nice to have some one who knows the biz to ask questions when you need to.

EXACTLY. I get why nobody wants to help, but it can be just as productive TO help them instead of thinking by fucking them you're leaving more market for yourself.

Originally Posted by CHARGER

Hey !!!! Newbie here !!! im ready to be adopted !!! i know how to get traffic and i get traffic (for real) just dont know how to do other stuff besides that

I'm no Vet here, but you can hit me up and pick my brain. Maybe I'll have a tiny bit of information for you. ICQ me if ya want.

[CHARGER]

Originally Posted by Twig

EXACTLY. I get why nobody wants to help, but it can be just as productive TO help them instead of thinking by fucking them you're leaving more market for yourself.



I'm no Vet here, but you can hit me up and pick my brain. Maybe I'll have a tiny bit of information for you. ICQ me if ya want.

here is my icq bro 598907692

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by halfpint

I am also fairly new at the adult biz but I know exactly what you mean when you first get into this biz its a minefield and very hard to get someone to actually talk to you about how to even start up I know there are forums you can read up on but its kinda nice to have some one who knows the biz to ask questions when you need to.

Indeed padawan however,...

Traditionally, in adult or online, in general few people would really share their tips and secrets. Believing everyone on the planet would copy them and they would be competing against those same people and lose money.

I can think of many times over the years that people try and copy people and have less, or greater success. That said, if you had the exact blueprints to what I, or anyone, has done and follow them to the letter. You are not going to mirror their success. The best plans will still come down to your dedication and execution.

I float the idea every time I have a new website ready to come on line. To pick up someone locally, or online, who can spend 2 hours a day. Cutting videos, submissions, screen caps, writing up descriptions or any number of mundane tasks more a less babysitting a website and learning, how and why, I do what I do while learning the business.

I have two of those right now. I have either minimal responses, or those who do respond are not remotely interested in the long term benefits. They just want a job because they can't find work. They are no the right mind set for what you are looking for in a 'big brother' type deal.

Very few apply, have what is needed (will power) or if I find someone. They simply do not want to work. Regardless of the fact they are mainly babysitting, or pre-programming updates, typing in descriptions of scenes, and whatever.

I used to pay house cleaners, models, assistants a lot more in the past and have tinkered with that formula and different ways to structure things over the years. Paid as they learn skills, paid on existing skills, paid more to get better quality out of the gate.

In the end what I have found, and it has been reinforced over and over again.... it comes down to the WILL of that person. Whether I paid them $300 or $100. Some will do the same caliber of work they want to do. Money will not motivate most people.

You need to find someone who wants to get the skills, by work, or has a solid work ethic and does not like to let people down, and is insanely committed to being successful.

Hence the "will" I was referring to.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Indeed padawan however,...

Traditionally, in adult or online, in general few people would really share their tips and secrets. Believing everyone on the planet would copy them and they would be competing against those same people and lose money.

I can think of many times over the years that people try and copy people and have less, or greater success. That said, if you had the exact blueprints to what I, or anyone, has done and follow them to the letter. You are not going to mirror their success. The best plans will still come down to your dedication and execution.

I float the idea every time I have a new website ready to come on line. To pick up someone locally, or online, who can spend 2 hours a day. Cutting videos, submissions, screen caps, writing up descriptions or any number of mundane tasks more a less babysitting a website and learning, how and why, I do what I do while learning the business.

I have two of those right now. I have either minimal responses, or those who do respond are not remotely interested in the long term benefits. They just want a job because they can't find work. They are no the right mind set for what you are looking for in a 'big brother' type deal.

Very few apply, have what is needed (will power) or if I find someone. They simply do not want to work. Regardless of the fact they are mainly babysitting, or pre-programming updates, typing in descriptions of scenes, and whatever.

I used to pay house cleaners, models, assistants a lot more in the past and have tinkered with that formula and different ways to structure things over the years. Paid as they learn skills, paid on existing skills, paid more to get better quality out of the gate.

In the end what I have found, and it has been reinforced over and over again.... it comes down to the WILL of that person. Whether I paid them $300 or $100. Some will do the same caliber of work they want to do. Money will not motivate most people.

You need to find someone who wants to get the skills, by work, or has a solid work ethic and does not like to let people down, and is insanely committed to being successful.

Hence the "will" I was referring to.

Nice post and very true I came into adult expecting to make hundreds of $$$ overnight by just plonking an adult site online ..it did not happen. I soon discovered that working in adult is not a money machine unless you are prepared to put in the hours and learn a hell of a lot of new skills three years down the line I am still learning but I sure am working harder than I ever thought I would.

[Twig]

Originally Posted by halfpint

Nice post and very true I came into adult expecting to make hundreds of $$$ overnight by just plonking an adult site online ..it did not happen. I soon discovered that working in adult is not a money machine unless you are prepared to put in the hours and learn a hell of a lot of new skills three years down the line I am still learning but I sure am working harder than I ever thought I would.

It actually WAS pretty easy about 5 years ago lol. I'm sure a ton easier the further you go back.
I had a brief run in the adult biz back in 03-04 and the money DID come pretty quick. It definitely requires a lot more work now though.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by halfpint

I soon discovered that working in adult is not a money machine unless you are prepared to put in the hours and learn a hell of a lot of new skills three years down the line I am still learning but I sure am working harder than I ever thought I would.

Agreed.

As I have always told people who ask me. Adult online, or online in general, is no different then a real life career or job or business. You need a location (good domain) on a high traffic street corner (targeted traffic) and a building (website) that offers a product or service that fulfills a need or provides a value to the passing potential customer.

It also requires hours of work, tweaking, you paying attention to customer trends, and demands, change with the time, targeting new customers, maintaining old, and so forth.

All which requires time and dedication few have.

[halfpint]

Originally Posted by Twig

It actually WAS pretty easy about 5 years ago lol. I'm sure a ton easier the further you go back.
I had a brief run in the adult biz back in 03-04 and the money DID come pretty quick. It definitely requires a lot more work now though.

Yep i guess it was, I remember in the late 90's going on the porn bulletin boards and some of the adult free sites and thinking ..I wish I knew how to make these porn websites at the time..well I never really did anything about finding out how to even put a website online until around 3 years ago..I guess I missed the boat...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by halfpint

I guess I missed the boat...

No worries chum. You have the work ethic.

I'll give you another quick example. Over the past few years I have done some consulting work. People paying $1500/3000/5000+ to have me help them.

We work on developing a business plan, what they are looking to do, goals, objective, what is going to be needed and all that. These people are paying for a website, content, help whatever mind you to be shown the ropes.

I do my part building it for them. Teaching them the way I have done things, shown them the results, and even going to their place to help them shoot, do their docs, and go over what is important if they were doing shoots.

Needless to say on almost, but not everyone, they stopped doing what is required to maintain traffic, or generate new almost as soon as I stopped helping because my time, or contract was done.

So over time, they just keep falling backward until they were out of business and back to their paper hats, or other real life career. Simply because they refused to do the work that was laid out for them step by step and the daily routine that would have shown them the way. After all, it was all mapped out for them, and they just had to follow the steps. They didn't.

As I said, they PAID to BE HELPED and still failed. Why? Because they did not want to work.

[Phallus Fondue]

Originally Posted by Carmine Raguso

Voyeur Dorm... not the same but close e-fucking-nuff

Made money back in the day, not even sure what happens with that shit today

that is what i thought thread was going to be about to, it was not though. it was about mentoring newbies and not the show.

Originally Posted by halfpint

This thread just gave me a good idea for a new adult website

Porn BIG Brother You could copy the big brother show that is on TV and turn it into a live show broadcast over the net Basically the same as big brother but with lots of fucking going on Wish I had the money to do something like this

See above about voyeur dorm. about as close as it got and it honestly seemed like big brother jacked the idea from voyeur dorm almost.

on regular topic i think there has been numerous attempts. from one on one situations to group efforts. there was a few schools so to speak. even some attempts of people forming groups to help each other get ahead. not to sure how well any of them worked really and most seemed to flop.

thinking back the closest thing i can think of to such a program or situation that actually worked to a pretty large degree was toms newbie booster. it was not a big brother situation though. just a message board that was very helpful. they had moderators in general specialties to assist people. they also do radio broadcasts and held live chats on topics. i would not be surprised if many people here today did not participate in that years and years ago.

[Twig]

In essence, this is what GFY and similar is supposed to be, but it seems it's now a place to shit on each other and call scammers and liars out.

[Twig]

Originally Posted by CHARGER

Hey !!!! Newbie here !!! im ready to be adopted !!! i know how to get traffic and i get traffic (for real) just dont know how to do other stuff besides that

Well, I can honestly say I just did what my original post was asking about, for this guy.
Definitely getting him on the right track. It feels good. Fuck fucking over other people.

[Joe King]

If you were ever to take a noob under your wing a good type of person to pick would be someone who has been in 100% commission sales. Someone who has had to knock on doors and do cold calls.

[epitome]

I have quite a few people that help me and vice versa. I wouldn't say I have a single mentor. Instead, I have a loose network of mentors.

There is plenty of guidance out there.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Joe King

If you were ever to take a noob under your wing a good type of person to pick would be someone who has been in 100% commission sales. Someone who has had to knock on doors and do cold calls.

Agreed.

That is another thing people want. Even complete newbies with no skills, like an intern. They want me to give them a base salary, AND a percentage of the profits. Um, no. That is not how it works.

I had some people contacting me on that management offer I posted a week or so ago. Some contacted me and wanted to do it for a base salary, a hefty one. Others wanted a lower base, and percentage of the profits. Not one of the people who contacted me would do a sliding scale based on performance.

Keep in mind, this is not a company just starting out. Or going into new niches there is no landmark for. You are going into a successful company, and taking over assets already making money, with members and traffic. You just need to increase that.

So for some of these so called affiliate managers, traffic gurus, and alike. It would have been worth their while for a few hours a day, or a half day, taking on some more sites and doing the marketing and promotion end and taking a percentage of sales based on performance right?

Wrong.

Again, leading back to what I said before about entitlement. I want to get paid, and I want to walk into the perfect situation. But I do not actually want to WORK for it.

I can only image what the next generation will be like. You have to pay you kids to go to school. It becomes part of their allowance for the week. Or employees get paid a $10 spot just to show up for work daily.

[EscortBiz]

people became lazy fucks those who are truly motivated for more then 4 weeks will make serious money in anything they do, yet 99.9% of the population is busy finding excuses

[DateDoc]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

I have tried it in adult online. I have tried in real life locally. The fact of the matter is, and it's been said many times, people simply do not want to work.

While that is mostly true I have helped a couple of people and they have made marked improvements in their income. That being said the people I helped were not American and had a work ethic that was beyond reproach. They just needed to be shown how to put their good work ethic to good use.

[Twig]

Originally Posted by DateDoc

While that is mostly true I have helped a couple of people and they have made marked improvements in their income. That being said the people I helped were not American and had a work ethic that was beyond reproach. They just needed to be shown how to put their good work ethic to good use.

Sadly, this is very true for Americans :/

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Twig

Sadly, this is very true for Americans :/

Very.

[Twig]

I'd like to know what some others think.

[Big Red Machine]

Sometimes the best mentors are tormentors. Throw your ideas around here and people will let you know if your on track or not.

[rowan]

The problem with training someone to do grunt work is that their skillset may eventually outgrow their job requirements, and they decide to do it themselves and end up a competitor.

But you're probably more likely to have to deal with flakes.

[Iron Fist]

I'm not about to spend time showing someone else my work when I could be spending that time making myself more money..

Yeah sorry, but that is how it is... and I might be more right than I even know...

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by rowan

The problem with training someone to do grunt work is that their skillset may eventually outgrow their job requirements, and they decide to do it themselves and end up a competitor.

But you're probably more likely to have to deal with flakes.

That's why you have to have them sign non-competes.

As for the second part, agreed. More often then not. You are going to have to deal with the lazy, entitlement, apathetic, short term thinker, pay check players.

[cherrylula]

What I learned from this thread.

All Americans are lazy, not a single one likes to work...

[ToplistBlog_Com]

This is all some pretty interesting stuff, and unfortunately true for the most part. Though there are those out there who are willing to throw themselves into it, but I kind of get the sense that until society comes out and makes it "mainstream", a lot of newbies will be ashamed.

[Webmaster Advertising]

Lee and Gary have been hiring from outside the industry for the past few months and not just talking about myself but also Brandon and Ryan, we're all doing well with the projects that they both set us and our own free site and gallery building.

I built 6 free sites the first two days i started and made $120 in sales from the templates i was given by Lee and Gary to use for the Condom Cash websites.

At the moment im focusing more on the affiliate content side of things but ill be going back to doing free site and galleries soon and i cant wait there is always something new and exciting to learn in the porn biz!

[Nicky]

I never hesitate to help newbies. I have helped many many over the last 10 years but what It all comes down to just as bare tootsie has explained so good in this thread is that few of them actually apply what I reccomend. I can be lazy too but that's cause I can afford to.