Yea, I see the difference if you're talking about those guys, the ones who look for clues in Hollywood movies. :1orglaugh

Come on over!!! You can live off the land here should the world crumble. Get yourself a good farmer GF and you'll be set if you prepare for the worst.

I have over 100 acres of farm land where we grow rice, corn and potatoes. We have avocado trees (tons of them), banana trees and pineapples. Also got chickens, water buffalo and a large pond full of fish. The house is completely solar powered (cost a small fortune), we have a water filter (and a large creek running through the property), and I have plenty of guns and ammo to shield off anyone trying to harm us. Prepared and self 100% sufficient. It took us a little over two years to get it this way but now, we're ready for anything. We even rebuilt the walls thicker to re-enforce them in the event of a shootout with criminals trying to shoot their way in to rob us. The door frames are extra tough to encase the security steel doors, the windows are strategically placed with bars that we can bolt on to secure the entry points, and overall it's a fortress. I even bought some Chinese made land mines from Cambodia (no joke - $50 each) so if that day ever comes, I can place them throughout the property to kill off anyone sneaking around it. We're ready. Just in case.

Of course I don't stay here all the time as my production work is in the city, but if the shit hits the fan, this is where I'll be. My GFs sister lives there now and tends to our rice fields and the avocado business. If all hell breaks loose and you find yourself in this area of the world, any of you can go to Udon Thani and find me. Just go to Udon and head towards Nong Khai. Literally half way, you will see a large bright red barn on the right hand side of the road. Take that small road down until you see the large concrete house with the solar panels. That's me. Just announce yourself BEFORE you step foot into the yard.

I like to think of myself as a sane person.

What I do believe is that the government was taken over long ago. It doesn't work us. It works for the ultra-wealthy.

I believe that the media is mostly for sale. I think that is a Catch-22 and isn't some big conspiracy but some rogue editors and "journalists." It is relatively easy to get a story killed if you have the right connections. I also believe that if the story is big enough, they don't give a fuck who they piss off, hence the Catch-22 part.

9/11 is a big question mark for me. I absolutely believe that a government organization or a multinational corporation could pull it off. I just don't know if they did.

I think Iraq and Afghanistan are a joke and part of the big military industrial complex Eisenhower warned us about.

I do believe that the last President that even remotely worked for the people was JFK. That's why he was murdered.

I don't know if elections are rigged -- that would take a lot of effort -- but I do know that who gets to run in the first place is chosen for us.

Bill Clinton as a lot of questionable associations and did a lot of questionable things. Mena sounds so plausible yet absurd at the same time. He did have a lot of people around him mysteriously die.

I believe all of these things could be, I just don't know if I believe they are.

Anyway, if true, all of that is way bigger than me, so I am just going to keep my head down and keep being a squirrel trying to get a nut.

[QUOTE=Another false flag will go down soon, most likely it will dwarf what happened on 9-11. Once again the masses will watch Fox news and CNN to find out what they should believe. The masses are perpetually stupid and always will be.[/QUOTE]

I'm with you on building 7, show the video of it imploding on itself to anyone without telling them what it is and they will say it's a controlled demolition. Until you tell them it's building 7, then they get angry...

About the false flag though, I guess you just missed that one time when were openly robbed for 700 Billion by corporation owned politicians.

So someone how can't fly CRASHED a plane. And this is unbelievable why?

500 MPH is slow? Also the 2 planes that hit NY crash very shortly after take-off and know one knew they where hi-jacked before then. Flight 93 was being tracked. And yes it would have been shot down if it had gotten closer to DC.

You realize it came down HOURS later because it was on FIRE.

keyword being FEET not miles, 25,000 feet is less than 5 miles. You cell phone won't work within 5 miles of a tower?

And you'll believe any kook that comes up with some "theory". How is that different?

I don't really agree with Gatorb's politics, but he is right on this. I think no matter what tradegy happens, you will always have people who are naysayers and believe the worst.
It is not impossible for them to have done this.

Man! have you guys never heard of passengers having to land these planes before because the pilots were not able to?. There have been cases of this happening and the passengers had to land the planes. So the terrorists had more experience than these passengers, so the terrorist would be able to do this.

Read more and learn people.. 9/11 is beyond a cover-up and inside job its not even funny. Look at all the people on this page that blow the whistle and give their educated statements. http://netctr.com/911exposed.html

Well said, IMHO!

Thanks, sounds like you are prepared. One issue is how would I get my precious metals transferred over there? I would have to cash them in, then transfer the money, then re-buy in Bangkok. I imagine I would lose at least 10% in the transactions because the spread on bullion is so much more in other parts of the world.

I thought about leaving the USA for good a few years ago, and considered it this year as well. But I have my mother to think about and would rather be dead than being far away thinking about her back here alone. She has been a wonderful mother to me but is like 95% of the population who thinks what the TV tells her to think. No way would she leave the USA.

So what he's implying is that the United States recruited highly skilled airline pilots who were willing to kill themselves and innocent Americans. You idiots never entertain the idea that the scenarios you are willing to believe are much more unbelievable than what was fed to the general public -- which BTW is what happened. It really is as simple as it looks you stupid fucksticks.

Funny thing is that it is now 8 years ago and many of those who suddenly "discovered the truth" were only kids back then. In ten years from now you will hear the same from the ones wearing diapers in 2001. Even if it has been debunked 1000s times, they will keep "discover the truth".. over and over again. In 2041 they will say it didn't happen. Just like the "fake moon landing" and "fake holocaust".

You still have people claiming the US government was in on Pearl Harbor. That was 68 years ago.

the gulf of tonkin incident was an inside job.

Yeah.. just like Bin Ladens fatwa in 96, the Axis had declared war on the hole world, and US government needed an "excuse" for participate. They claim... :1orglaugh

All bullshit and differences of opinion aside .... You are an interesting person. :2 cents: :thumbsup


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DWB, got a pic of your GF?

As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing heavy damage to the south face of the building.[3] The bottom portion of the building's south face was heavily damaged by debris, including damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floors, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor.[3] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[27][28]
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[29] A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[30][31] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6?10, 13?14, 19?22, and 29?30.[3] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[32] At approximately 2:00 p.m., firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[33] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[34] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[33][35] At 5:20 p.m. EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center collapsed. There were no casualties associated with the collapse.
In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. According to FEMA, structural elements were exposed to high temperatures for a sufficient period of time to reduce their strength to the point of collapse[6]; nevertheless, it has since been determined that the fires burned out in 20 minutes at any given location as they moved from point to point.[15]

World Trade Center controlled demolition conspiracy theories say that the building collapses on September 11, including that of building seven, were the result of controlled demolition.[55][56][57][58] The draft NIST report rejected this hypothesis, as the window breakages and blast sound that would have occurred if explosives were used were not observed.[59] The use of thermate instead of explosives is discarded by NIST on the basis that it is unlikely the necessary 100 pounds of thermate for each steel column could have been planted without being discovered. [60]

wtf?????

Name once.

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Wesley Snipes ... Passenger 57


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I stand corrected. I guess we can include Airplane and Airplane II? Not sure about the sequel, not sure I ever made it to the ending.

The mental capacity some of you possess is just hilarious. "I'm way too smart to believe that terrorists attacked the US. Instead I will try and get people to think I'm smart by shouting conspiracy!!!"

Once again, could you please explain how building number 7 fell down exactly like a controlled demolition even though it was not attacked?
If someone could explain this to me then I will shut my mouth. The official investigation just decided to ignore building number 7.

Maybe read a few posts up. It's the full report on what happened to it. Sound logical to me,but i'm sure it's just a cover up to you.

In case you missed it


As the North Tower collapsed on September 11, 2001, debris hit 7 World Trade Center, causing heavy damage to the south face of the building.[3] The bottom portion of the building's south face was heavily damaged by debris, including damage to the southwest corner from the 8th to 18th floors, a large vertical gash on the center-bottom extending at least ten floors, and other damage as high as the 18th floor.[3] The building was equipped with a sprinkler system, but had many single-point vulnerabilities for failure: the sprinkler system required manual initiation of the electrical fire pumps, rather than being a fully automatic system; the floor-level controls had a single connection to the sprinkler water riser; and the sprinkler system required some power for the fire pump to deliver water. Also, water pressure was low, with little or no water to feed sprinklers.[27][28]
After the North Tower collapsed, some firefighters entered 7 World Trade Center to search the building. They attempted to extinguish small pockets of fire, but low water pressure hindered their efforts.[29] A massive fire burned into the afternoon on the 11th and 12th floors of 7 World Trade Center, the flames visible on the east side of the building.[30][31] During the afternoon, fire was also seen on floors 6?10, 13?14, 19?22, and 29?30.[3] In particular, the fires on floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 continued to burn out of control during the afternoon.[32] At approximately 2:00 p.m., firefighters noticed a bulge in the southwest corner of 7 World Trade Center between the 10th and 13th floors, a sign that the building was unstable and might collapse.[33] During the afternoon, firefighters also heard creaking sounds coming from the building.[34] Around 3:30 pm FDNY Chief Daniel Nigro decided to halt rescue operations, surface removal, and searches along the surface of the debris near 7 World Trade Center and evacuate the area due to concerns for the safety of personnel.[33][35] At 5:20 p.m. EDT on September 11, 2001, 7 World Trade Center collapsed. There were no casualties associated with the collapse.
In May 2002, the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) issued a report on the collapse based on a preliminary investigation conducted jointly with the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers under leadership of Dr. W. Gene Corley, P.E. FEMA made preliminary findings that the collapse was not primarily caused by actual impact damage from the collapse of 1 WTC and 2 WTC but by fires on multiple stories ignited by debris from the other two towers that continued unabated due to lack of water for sprinklers or manual firefighting. According to FEMA, structural elements were exposed to high temperatures for a sufficient period of time to reduce their strength to the point of collapse[6]; nevertheless, it has since been determined that the fires burned out in 20 minutes at any given location as they moved from point to point.[15]

You forgot the best part of the "story". 35 minutes after the second plane hit and we KNEW we were under attack, a commercial jetliner was able to penetrate the most restricted airspace and hit the most heavily defended building in the world. It only takes 6 minutes for NORAD to scramble jets, Andrews Air Force Base had two squadrons of fighters on alert only 10 miles away. And yes 500 MPH is slow compared to the 1,500 MPH speed of of the F16s deployed.

This is the Windsor skyscraper in Madrid, it was an inferno for over 20 hours and the steel structure stayed intact.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?...d&hl=en&emb=0#

This is an Orange

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...inMmvAw&hl=en#

Also keep in mind that building 5, located between the two towers and building 7, sustained much greater fires burning throughout and stayed intact.

These are the only 3 steel skyscrapers have "fallen" because of fires in the history of the world. All within a few hours of each other.

So by that logic your cell phone should work like a charm at the normal altitude of 35,000 feet, right? Why don't you try it next time you're in the air? Don't worry, the plane won't crash.
The ban on cellphones in flight is mainly from the FCC because of possible interference with the plane's instruments, but it is also supported by mobile companies because you phone would try to access hundreds of towers at the same time, it does not work and causes problems. Cell phones are meant to work on the ground.

You shouldn't believe any of it, official story or conspiracies. You should look into it yourself instead of listening to everyone else. Google is your friend. I'm glad I saw this thread today because it made me think about everything again and it lead me to this last piece of information.

Everyone, please explain why the BBC reported the collapse of building 7 over twenty minutes before it's actual implosion - with the building clearly in view behind the reporter...

https://youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

scary :mad:

If we all had the same opinion, what fun would that be?

Yup. Use the search feature.

Ted Striker.

the truthers actually have a great position to argue from-

it's impossible to disprove a negative.

I wonder why we don't ever see any intelligent conspiracy theorists:)

let me guess, the moon landing is also fake right?

Somewhere there is a retard sandwich stand that all these conspiracy nuts eat at. :2 cents:

But are we sure it's a sandwich stand, and not a hot dog stand, posing as a sandwich stand?
:)

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Okay so we can all agree that jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. It can weaken steel though, but on 911 it did if fact melt steel causing pools of molten metal that burned for weeks after 911.

http://i31.tinypic.com/2yl5wjq.jpg

http://i27.tinypic.com/34j4zu9.jpg

Steel beams weighing about a couple tons each being blasted out wards like tooth pics. Also known as high-order damage. Not characteristics of a collapsing building.

http://i27.tinypic.com/69e05e.jpg

The aftermath of the buildings collapse. Total destruction right? Nothing from the inside of the building was found. No office chairs, no desks, no computers, etc. Yet some how the passport of the terrorist flew out his pocket, threw the fire, threw all the debris and landed perfectly without a mark on it and landed on the ground where an FBI agent later found it.

http://i31.tinypic.com/mv2ck5.jpg

http://stj911.org/
http://www.ae911truth.org/
http://pilotsfor911truth.org/
http://firefightersfor911truth.org/

Anyway, have a nice day.. It's very nice out. I'm going to go outside and enjoy it.:thumbsup

:Oh crap

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Outside? The sun was invented by the fascist republicans for you to be productive and makes LOTS of money so they can wage their wars on the poor:)