So if you don't go along with it you get killed? Yet you must know this going into it so if you decide not to go along with it why don't you scream it from the highest rooftop? And if you reluctantly go along with it just to save your life why not publish the truth and come out and say it when you are old and sick and near death? Why do we not hear anyone come forth on their deathbed and tell stories of this shadow group that controls the country?

So you made some reasonable points in the past, but now you go off the rails. Are you actually saying that the Governor of SC wasn't having an affair and that Spitzer didn't go to a prostitute? Or is it that they were and when they didn't do as told they were exposed? As for only a few people in the house and senate not being in on this then does that mean if I run for a seat in the house and win then I will be approached by "the group" and told to go along with the program or else? You have to admit this sounds like a bad spy movie right?

I live in the US and if they made a flu shot mandatory I would refuse. They would have to take me in by force to get it. I don't believe in the flu shot for most people. I think it is something that the pharmaceutical industry has sold to the masses as something they need to get so that they can make more money. I think some people benefit from it, but I think most don't and there is plenty of evidence out there that the flu often mutates from season to season so this years flu isn't the same as it was a few years ago and often the vaccine is a year behind.

So if they announced that they were requiring all citizens to get the shot I wouldn't go get it. I suppose they could seize my bank account and make my life a living hell if I didn't, but you would have to know that there would be a lot of people who didn't take it and any major punishment you got for it would be a major news story. People are pissed just at the idea of the government running a health insurance program, imagine how pissed they will be if that government forces them against their will to get a shot.

A'ight ...

Here's one speaking from the dead



Yeah those were their skeletons and they were used to take them out when needed.

Someone should take the time to read the thread he is posting in and he would see that the information was already posted...

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J/k... couldn't resist.

Where is the rest of the speech. Is he talking about some kind of conspiracy within the US or is he talking about the Russians. With that much of the speech you can interpret it pretty much any way you want.

So I assume both guys are not happy about being taken down. Can we count on them speaking up as they get near the end of their lives and have nothing left to lose? Why don't we have anyone doing this? There have been a lot of people who have met with political downfall. Are they all victims of this group or just a few and how do we know which are which? Couldn't it just be that the Gov. of SC found a hot piece of ass and thought he was above getting caught? Isn't is possible that Spitzer just wanted kinky sex with a chick other than his wife and eventually it came out? Spitzer was a bulldog going after wall street for a long time before he was Governor. Why didn't they take him down then?

Here's the longer version of the speech.



Elliot Spitzer has been writing lots of articles on the financial scandals.

Exclusive: 27-Year CIA Vet says Obama May be Afraid of the CIA ... For Good Reason...
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=7408
By Brad Friedman on 9/11/2009 3:00PM



Alluding to the assassination of JFK, long-time high-level CIA analyst says Panetta and the President 'afraid of these guys because these guys have a whole lot to lose if justice takes its course'...

During my interview last night with 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern on the Mike Malloy Show (which I've been guest hosting all this week), the man who used to personally deliver the CIA's Presidential Daily Briefings to George Bush Sr., among other Presidents, offered an extraordinarily chilling thought --- particularly coming from someone with his background.

In a conversation at the end of the hour (audio and transcript below), as I was trying to pin him down for an opinion on whether or not he felt it was appropriate for CIA Director Leon Panetta to have reportedly attempted to block a lawful investigation into torture and other war crimes committed by the CIA, McGovern alluded to a book about the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and noted he felt it likely that both Panetta and President Obama may have reason to fear certain elements of the CIA.

"Let me just leave you with this thought," he said, "and that is that I think Panetta, and to a degree President Obama, are afraid --- I never thought I'd hear myself saying this --- I think they're afraid of the CIA."...


McGovern went on to note "the stakes are very high here," in relation to Attorney General Eric Holder's recently announced investigation of the CIA now under the direction of Panetta. "His main advisers and his senior staff are liable for prosecution for war crimes. The War Crimes statute includes very severe penalties, including capitol punishment for those who, if under their custody, detainees die. And we know that at least a hundred have, so this is big stakes here."

He then recommended James W. Douglass' new book, JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

"He makes a very very persuasive case that it was President Kennedy's, um, the animosity that built up between him and the CIA after the Bay of Pigs, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, because he was reaching out to the Russians and so forth and so on. It's a very well-researched book and his conclusion is very alarming," the long-time CIA veteran noted in what turned out to be a chilling end to our interview in which he described "two CIAs".

One, he says, was created by President Truman to "give him the straight scoop without any fear or favor. And then its covert action arm, which really doesn't believe --- which doesn't belong in this agency." McGovern referred to that CIA "advisedly" as the President's "own personal gestapo" which acts without oversight by the Congressional committees once tasked to do so.

"And so if you're asking why Obama and Panetta are going very very kid-glove-ish with the CIA, I think part of the reason, or the explanation is they're afraid of these guys because these guys have a whole lot to lose if justice takes its course."

"So, it's pretty scary. Yes, it is," he concluded.

* * *


• The complete audio archive of the entire interview (appx. 37 mins.) can be download here or heard online here...

• The final few minutes (appx. 6 mins) containing the conversation described above, as transcribed below, can be heard here...

The transcript of the above-described 9/10/09 conversation between Brad Friedman and 27-year CIA analyst Ray McGovern on the Mike Malloy Show, follows below...
BRAD FRIEDMAN: Was it appropriate, in your opinion, for Panetta to try to block this lawful investigation into torture by Eric Holder's investigation. Is that the appropriate thing for a CIA Director to do?


RAY MCGOVERN: Well, you and I know that it's not appropriate if he's Director. If he sees his role as the agency's lawyer --- which apparently he does --- then there's nothing unlawful about him pleading their special causes. The stakes are very high here. His main advisers and his senior staff are liable for prosecution for war crimes. The War Crimes statute includes very severe penalties, including capitol punishment...

BF: Yeah...

RM: ... for those who, if under their custody, detainees die. And we know that at least a hundred have, so this is big stakes here.

And let me just leave you with this thought, and that is that I think Panetta, and to a degree President Obama, are afraid --- I never thought I'd hear myself saying this --- I think they're afraid of the CIA.

And you look in history...look to the incredible book written recently by Jim Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable. He makes a very very persuasive case that it was President Kennedy's, um, the animosity that built up between him and the CIA after the Bay of Pigs, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff, because he was reaching out to the Russians and so forth and so on. It's a very well-researched book and his conclusion is very alarming.

And so if you're asking why Obama and Panetta are going very very kid-glove-ish, with the CIA, I think part of the reason, or the explanation is they're afraid of these guys because these guys have a whole lot to lose if justice takes its course. And that's why I think Attorney General Holder is to be applauded.

I'm really just delighted to have somebody from The Bronx, where I grew up, try to do something to wipe out the blot that Colin Powell has put on The Bronx.

BF: Even though its a narrow investigation, you still applaud it. But Ray McGovern, 27-year CIA analyst, you're saying that there is reason to be concerned about the CIA --- that Barack Obama should be concerned.

Having been there 27 years, I guess you know what you're talking about. Uh...but that's a chilling thought I gotta say, Ray.

RM: Well, read the book. James Douglass, JFK and the Unspeakable. Uh, Brad, as you probably know, there are two CIAs. Okay? The one that was set up by Truman to give him the straight scoop without any fear or favor. And then its covert action arm, which really doesn't believe --- which doesn't belong in this agency --- but is the one that is entitled, so to speak, by one sentence in the National Security Act of 1947 which says 'the Director of Central Intelligence shall perform such other functions and duties as the President shall direct.'

That gives the President the ability to use the CIA as his own personal gestapo --- and I use the word advisedly --- the only check on that are what used to be called the oversight committees of Congress, now they're called the overlooked committees of the Congress...

BF: Indeed.

RM: So it's pretty scary. Yes, it is.

Obama is a cyborg. He is not real. You know nothing.

AHAHHHAHAH a big whoops on all those people who are getting heated.

Would you Right Wing Whack jobs make up your fucking mind who the hell is talking over the country? First it's the Nazi's and Japs in the 40's.. Then it's the Commies in the 50 to the 80's.. After that it's the Evil Socialist's in the the 90's/00's now it's the fucking Nazi's again..

Make up your fucking mind already...

Hitler didn't just want to take over a country. He wanted to take over the World. He wanted to wipe everyone off the map and create a perfect race. It wasn't just his idea. It was his handlers idea as well. And those ideas are still around to this day. Do you know who Hitlers suppliers and backers were? Just to give you a few examples. IBM created the numbering system for the Jews. Prescott Bush, Georges grandfather, had the companies he was partner in seized under the trading with the enemy act for funding and supplying Hitler. Do you know where the scientists (you know the one's who used humans as guinea pigs) and other high level officials went during WWII? Look up "project paperclip." To save you a little time most of them came to America. And if I remember correctly Japan did attack Pearl Harbor. Follow the money. It's always the same groups/families funding/backing both sides of all genocide and conflicts. You can call them commies, Nazi's, Socialists, whatever you like. I call them fucking insane lunatics.

You could also call them capitalist with an absolute lack of any humanity or morality.

the emperor Nero set fire to Rome and blamed the Christians
was that ever solved?

"FEARS OF PLOT TO REDUCE POPULATION SEEM LESS PARANOID IN LIGHT OF ROCKEFELLERS

There is a strong and growing undercurrent across America of surreptitious government plans to reduce the population.

By some, the plots are seen everywhere from contraception, abortion, flu outbreaks, "chem-trails," and vaccinations, to genetic-modification, health-care reform, sterilization programs, and manipulation of agriculture.

The task is differentiating the paranoid from legitimate concerns, but this much can be known: for decades, low-key and even secret elements of elite Western society have been planning myriad ways of diminishing the number of humans populating a "stressed" planet.

That is documented most starkly in an eye-opening book called Seeds of Destruction, which details an incredible memorandum issued as a top secret federal policy proposal under President Richard Nixon in April of 1974 and entitled "Implications of Worldwide Population Growth for U.S. Security and Overseas Interests." Known also as National Security Study Memorandum 200, or "NSSM 200," it was made official U.S. policy under President Gerald Ford.

The memo -- which was kept secret for fifteen years (until organizations affiliated with the Catholic Church forced its declassification) -- was commissioned by Nixon on the recommendation of John D. Rockefeller III -- whose family long had been intimately connected to the population-reduction cause, as well as establishment of elite secret organizations. It was written by Secretary of State and National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger -- who had extremely strong ties to the Rockefellers going back to the 1950s.

He was also to implement its strategy. Some say the results are rising all around us.

As author F. William Engdahl points out, the policy of the Rockefeller elite consisted of adopting a "world population plan of action" for drastic global population reduction policies in order to preserve resources and maintain order.

Put another way, the goal -- which became a Rockefeller obsession -- was that certain elements of society, especially those with great wealth, be genetically nurtured while poor and less "desirable" elements should be reduced, an idea known as "eugenics" and popular in Nazi Germany. In fact, the greatest force behind the memorandum, as well as many projects connected to its goals, the Rockefeller Foundation, also funded notorious German eugenics programs until 1939, charges Engdahl."............

"One of the more prominent members of the American Eugenics Society in the early 1920s was Dr. Paul Bowman Popenoe, a U.S. Army venereal disease specialist from World War One, who wrote a textbook entitled Applied Eugenics," writes Engdahl. "In sum, Popenoe said, 'The first method which presents itself is execution... Its value in keeping up the standard of the race should not be underestimated.' He went on to eloquently advocate the 'destruction of the individual by some adverse feature of the environment, such as excessive cold, or by bacteria or by bodily deficiency."


http://www.spiritdaily.com/populationreduction1.htm

cliff notes?

Jeez, whoever would have guessed onwebcam would fall for a hoax letter... he's so rational and cogent..

I wonder if these tards realise it makes people WISH there were FEMA death camps for the Alex Jones sheep.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again." - Pope.

Perhaps you missed the part where I said it doesn't really matter who really wrote it if the FACTS in it still remain. Hell for all I know he did write it only to have been asked to refute it afterwards. Happens all the time.