hybrid

My question to you is why would anyone that has a succesful business model want to share that information and increase the competition? In the business world one usually likes to see the competition go out of business, which means increased profit for the survivors.

I would say the onlt way to do well is to devote full time hours to doing this. If you're working more than full time at other jobs it will be very hard to get anywhere unless of course you can find a full time job which allows you to work on this most of the time.

Anyone doing this full time is simply moving farther and faster along the learning curve and you'll simply get left behind.

$2k and I'll make you a millionaire...swear to friggin christ

Then WTF is this, and all the other boards here for?

"Discuss what's fucking going on, and which programs are best and worst."

"New Webmasters ask "How-To" questions here. This is where other fucking Webmasters help."

or perhaps I am wrong, and the only reason we are here is to bitch and flame?

Damian

correct.

people with money to mingle with other people who make money,putting their heads together to make even more money...who wants MORE people in the circle? .. I'll help somebody who I can benefit from sooner or later..More than likely helping some dumbass now won't benefit me at all in 6 months... NOW if I helped somebody on MY level and they get to a higher level,well then I'll ask them for help..YA SEE?!:winkwink:

The last thing you are gonna get out of me is where to find traffic. Let alone any sort of business model.

Why in the hell should I tell you how to make money in this industry when if I do I only take food out of my own mouth.

Everyone is a fucking copycat these days. Look at all the bang bus ripoffs. TGP "used" to be a good idea. This industry is full of examples like that. Let one guy leak out his recipe for cash, he can fucking kiss it goodbye cause the newbs are gonna run it into the dirt. Newbs dont innovate, they imitate.

And they lie alot. newbs are chronic masturbators who wanna make money while jerking it.

wheee!

OK..... I agree, dont hand it to them on a plate but dont the big guys with affiliate progs need a steady supply of newb's?

If they (newb's) dont know how to start they will never make money for anyone.

If Hybrid has got the common sense to realise that by listening to the old hands he can learn something then I think he is the kind of newb that should be encouraged.

Damian

Hmm.. I'm WAY past that. I wonder if I'm still a newbie. Probably.

I'm opening a program soon and no,I've decided it's going to be invite only... I'd rather have 20 strong headed affliates than 2,000 fools...harsh I know but thats the way I feel

That sure sounds like an accurate description.

commercial:and if anybody wants to invest to get the ball rolling quicker,drop me a line :glugglug

We are in the middle of promoting a program.....
What kind of sites are included in your program?

Hm, actually he wasn't just crying for help. He wanted a partnership with someone a little more experienced?

"..I'm not lazy and I do think I have a lot to offer. I can design sites and ads that will sell, I just gotta feel it, if you know what I mean. Anyway, you won't be dissapointed, and I will pull my weight..."

That should be interesting to some ppl, it will be like having an employee working for you? =) Doing your dirtywork just for the joy of learning.

The dude is commited and wants to work his butt off. And he'll prob. do it for $0 cash to start with too, so he can learn starting from the bottom like everybody else. Someone would prob. consider that a good thing (tm).

Looking at http://www.discoverxxx.com/ etc. he doesn't seem like a total designnewb either.

And he obviously got some balls to post such a request on GFY :].

hybrid: keep doing pages, do your searchengine homework and post your "request" to other adultboards as well. Im sure someone more experienced then yourself is in need for a hardworking partner.

If not, maybe You should partner up with someone like yourself .. and you'll grow toghether. I have my partner in crime and it would be very boring without him. Someone to keep you motivated and kick your ass when you're about to become lazy.

Funkito said some good words too:

"..You're biggest asset is time. Time + Intelligence + 16-hour days will yield results. That's the magic advice .."

Just keep doing it, read everything about the subject you can obtain, keep designing and testing. trial and error.

good luck!

um...which AVS's offer free content?

Truer words have NEVER been spoken. Anywhere. Ever.

cyberage,deluxepass and some others

well then, you'd better hurry and grab him up.

I dont really need a designer, or a new partner for that sake either, and my perlscripts are my hardworking employees =).

VERY very targetted niches, semi reality, 1 on 1... and for some reason nobody is touching on the niches like they should be.Kind of hard to say on the board without giving anything away. hm just drop me an icq and ill try to answer you there...

Sexy AVS will give you a content cd just for signing up . . .
no wait, they just say they will, but won't actually send it

Hybrid...not sure if you are still looking for serious responses....but here's my 2 cents...

I never link any of my affiliate ads directly to the affiliate program. (unless it is a program, like Amateur Pages- where to do anything but, would be breaking the rules). Instead, for example, say I had an ad or banner up for a program called, "Wet Babes". I would send my surfers to another FPA for Wet Babes, plus I would then set up a couple of pop-unders or exit windows spawning from the Wet Babes FPA.

Doing this simply exercise will bring amazing results. Seriously, 2/3's of my sales come from the exit windows. So, I make approx 300% with the same traffic.

Also, I should note, that I don't use any of the ads provided by the affiliate programs on my galleries, avs's,free-sites....I make my own, and I keep them fairly generic. This way, I can change the FPA and pop-up windows when ever I want to, to a new program if I find that an affiliate program is not producing..or if they are to slow at paying.

You're looking for the magic formula. There is none. You can ask on every webmaster board out there and you will get a thousand different attempted answers. This business is dynamic not static. What works today won't work tomorrow. I've been in this business since 1984. I've seen things make lots of money and seen things lose lots of money.

The traditional steps are consistent here however like in every business.

1. Location, Location, Location. - you need good real estate.

2. Hard work - the most successful guys in this business are at their core nonstop workaholics, that doesn't mean regular work always, because even spending time on GFY is work if you do it right. Hard work always works no matter what the endeavor. The lack of I'm not going to stop til I get this persistence to goal achievement is where you see the hard workers fail however.

3. Capital - you can start with virtually near zero $, though the less you have the more you'll need to compensate and get the balance right in other ways in any business. But as a general rule of thumb, it does take money to make money, because you have to be able have core tools in place and money to hold out til you hit.

4. Knowledge or Talent - you need both in any business. And must constantly keep abreast of your marketplace and everything happening in it. This is another area where you see the ball dropped frequently.

5. Marketing prowess - if you're not into marketing, quit now, this business like all businesses operates in a highly competitve marketplace. The guys that are marketing geniuses in any business know how to find and make people buy what they're selling. Want the best place to learn marketing? Go work in a hardcore telemarketing room, and buddy up with the pro's in there. What you'll learn there will give you all the skills you need to sell anything, even the brooklyn bridge.

6. Uniqueness - the imitators are late to the table in any business. The innovators get the gold.

7. Advertising - This is my favorite part of this and any business. Its an art form and most people don't have a clue how to do it right. This is where creativity shines best.

There are a few more, but those are some of the important things.

Bottom line, its a casino in here pure and simple. If you are not a gambler with your time or money, get out now because the house always wins. And you will only make the big money in this business when you understand how to become the house. Oh and there is no solid single formula for that process either. And btw, you can do that starting with zero money if you are clever and extremely shrewd and talented as a motherfucker in marketing, networking and doing dealz. Dealz is the closest thing to being the key component that will make or break you into the big leagues. The guys at the top of this game are all master dealmakers.

And lastly lighten up and chill the fuck out. Your attitude blows wind big time. Attitude is on that list also. I've seen so many guys wreck their businesses just on attitude alone. Don't expect to make a post like you did, especially on a board called Go Fuck Yourself, and not get a lot of posts coming back that are harsh on you.

You're asking for someone to show you the way to Oz, well there are many roads to the vault and no one can tell you them all or will tell you all the things you need to do.

As John Rockefeller, whose right up there on the Bill Gates level of business and entrepreneurial success, said "I have ways of making money you know nothing of, nor will you ever know."

What he said! :thumbsup

I'm only to glad to be of help. It seems if you have not fugured it out by now you never will.

The race is one by the best, who keep at it and come up with something original or better.

Not those that think they can jump on the bandwagon for free and get help from the wagon masters.

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Hybrid,

Serious advice:

Sign up for a good affiliate program that offers revshare. So many people like the "quick" buck and go for the "$35 per join" bullshit. Sign up for a place that give you 50% sign ups plus 50% recurring revenue. Go to a site that you like and join their program. The money is in the rejoins. Let use an example... I'll use nice round numbers:

1. The site you refer to charges $20 per month. They pay 50/50
2. You have 1,000 joins the first month. That's $10,000 to you.
3. 25% of those 1,000 (250 people) stick around for the second month, gving you $2,500 in recurring revenue. 1,000 new people join the second month giving you $10,000 in new revenue. So at the end of the second month you have 1,250 members.
4. 25% of those 1,250 (313) are rebilled. Giving you $3,130 in recurring revenue. Plus 1,000 new joins ($10,000) giving you a total of $13,130 for month three.
5. Keep following this pattern. Every month you're adding new members, and every month the number of rebilled members rises.

This business model is how the "big guys" make money. Too many people fall for the "get rich quick" idea. Taking $35 per join is idiotic. You can't build a residual income that way. All of a sudden the rug is jerked out from under you and you have nothing left. By promoting for a trusted affiliate, preferably using a 3rd party affiliate program (like CCBill) you'll be able to make a living and can do so without expense to you. But you WILL need to put in the hours. If you work part time at this you can expect part time money. If you bust your ass and put in the hours you'll make full time money.

Hybrid--
There are a few types of responses to evaluate in this thread:
1.) Vets who told you to fuck off, but still told you good info, basically don't expect anybody to hand you a formula. Take that to heart, anything worth having is worth a bit of struggle.

2.) Vets who gave you a general manual. Insert your own gems into to the framework and stick to it to give you a path to success.

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Then there are a bunch of pricks who posted a lot of meaningless snide remarks, basically because they are only one step ahead of you.

A lot of them are the same folks last week on here begging for a job with a company, or begging for information, design work etc.. for themselves.

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Check out deluxepass.com an avs with free hosting, free movie content, etc...
It also allows you to run your own affiliate program I do believe.

Sometimes, but sometimes newbs ask sincerely wackily stupid questions with answers that should be obvious to the 12 year old mind. Also, many newbs are not business people, they're wankers whose REAL goal is to party with naked girlies. The guy whose goal is chicks is a mark, a sucker, and should stay a surfer where it's safe, because as in any industry, the waters are full of sharks who will use you to make their next yacht payment.

Great thread, Labret, I can't imagine having to sell ASCII porn, I rememer my Dad printing out an "X" and "O" naked lady on his dot matrix printer, and he would haver to post it on the wall and have his friends stand 10 feet back to see the naked chick, and they all "oooed and awwed" over it, found out later he paid for those pics. Boggles the mind how people could have sold memberships to those old boards, but they did and alot made a mint on them.

Anyways, enough bowing down to the porn god fathers.

Today and for last 3 years, it all comes down to one thing.. traffic. Newbies either don't know how to get it, or get it, but don't know what to do with it. You can build the best site, have the greatest affiliate program, whatever, but if you don't have traffic or don't know how to convert traffic, your gonna be a newbie for life.

No successful webmaster will ever tell you where to get instant traffic, it is food out of our mouth, we tell you, you tell 5 other newbies, they tell 40 other webmasters, and the traffic stream is dead, and we get fucked.

The best advice is to work 16 to 20 hours a day 7 days a week, and breakdown your time like this:

12 hours of site building and submitting to AVS's, TGP's, linklists.

1 hour reading message boards and articles.

1 hours of posting GOOD specific questions and posting replies to other people's threads when you can, whether it's biz related or not.

1 hour chatting with 5 people you met on the boards via ICQ/aol/yahoo about anything.

1 hour checking stats and recording them, studying your trends and coming up with a gameplan for the next day.

If you can still see your monitor at this point, surf to your favorite pornsite and jerk off, cause you will never be able get off from porn after a year of this, enjoy it while it lasts! Take some Xanex and get a good 6 hours of sleep.

Rinse and repeat for a year, and you will be making more than any of your 9-5 friends.


This is what it takes 90% of the time, and maybe 1% of the newbies have the ballz to do it, which is why they all fail, or just become webmaster board junkies :thumbsup

many posts here, but no one said the obvious.

it is very difficult these days to make any serious $ unless you create original content.

some people seem to think there is plenty of money to be made circle jerking the surfer.

tough way to go, every day the surfer becomes more sophisticated. think about what the surfer really wants.

make unique and high quality content. think quality, not quantity. go in a different direction. do not clone the content of others. adapt and be a leader, not a follower. constantly test. pay attention to your stats.

do not sell your content to others, make your sites all exclusive content. if people try to steal from you aggressive shut them down.

if you have some sort of artistic sense that will help. spend most of your time creating the content---do not piss away your $ with affiliates. take no partners.

that's the best way to make serious steady $ that will withstand the vagaries of the marketplace.

respect the surfer, and the surfer's intelligence. give the sufer good value.

and the $ will come.

Using good content helps, sometimes.

So he goes and blows $2 to $10 a pic, builds a nice site with 500 great pics costing him $1000. Now his site just wallows in the darkest depth of the internet porn gutter.

Sorry, you aint gonna make money with good content alone. Most of my best moneymaking sites were made from 3 year old pic set from CD's that cost $100 for 2000 pics.

Of course if you run a paysite with exclusive content and promote it well, it should hold members if you do it right (newbies usually won't). Content is a very small part of this biz. :2 cents:

That's a very good pointer. But, very few new webmasters have the kind of capital it takes to produce unique content in any significant volume, unless they are doing there own home webcam and have a BF or GF to shoot at no cost to them.


Also, to The FLY I don't have a clue why you bashed on that post. I've always tried to help out new guys to this biz and don't mean to be a know it all, but I've had more experiences good and bad in this biz than probably 95% of the people here. There are just so many answers right in front of their eyes if they would just look right in front instead of always looking over the hill for the answers.