iPorn Scam Revealed: User Numbers are a fraud--Francis Koenig ripping off advertisers - Page 2 - GoFuckYourself.com

wargames · 09-03-2009, 10:05 PM

This industry constantly amazes me

rowan · 09-03-2009, 10:09 PM

I remember earlier posts about Berlin... something about him "testing" that the girls were suitable to perform on camera by cream pie'ing them in a private room?

JustDaveXxx · 09-03-2009, 10:24 PM

This is good!! Gets better and batter!!

billyb · 09-03-2009, 11:04 PM

You know the old saying"don't hate the player, hate the game". FMK has gotten millions of dollars from his endaveours, I guess the big companies he bilked were to stupid?, or to lazy to check out his past?.

FMK for Senate 2010, hell! he should run for Governor here in 2010

. Some companies should just close their door if they have to deal with people like this.

Porno Dan · 09-03-2009, 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizard21

rumor had it at last year's Venus fest in Berlin, an iPorn employee had to bust down the door to Francis' hotel suite to rescue a drugged out model that was being molested. Bad behavoir keeps getting worst.

While I might not see eye-to-eye with Francis this is incorrect

I was there when the door was kicked in

The guy who kicked the door in was wasted, and was just fucking around trying to make Francis come out his room, where he was camped out with one of the models

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowan

I remember earlier posts about Berlin... something about him "testing" that the girls were suitable to perform on camera by cream pie'ing them in a private room?

He was actually shooting them for his mythical POV cream pie surprise site, which would have been fine if such a site existed.

The issue was insited on doing a POV cream pie scene with every girl before anyone else could work with them.

He then got upset when he found out the agents were charging him for every scene and none of the male talent, myself included, wanted to work with girls after he cream pied them. The Euro porn girls we worked with didn't believe in using a douche.

rowan · 09-03-2009, 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

He then got upset when he found out the agents were charging him for every scene and none of the male talent, myself included, wanted to work with girls after he cream pied them. The Euro porn girls we worked with didn't believe in using a douche.

Too much information!

Honez · 09-04-2009, 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by D-Money

I bet those models at the bikini competition were all trannys too!

Got us again!

Who cares. Those bikinis were hot!

JFK · 09-04-2009, 01:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Honez

Who cares. Those bikinis were hot!

these bikinis ?

InternetIsForPorn · 09-04-2009, 01:58 AM

Referring to the OP.

This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations.

Every. Single. Day.

And I bet that this happens a lot in porn, too. But it's incredibly hard to prove.

So my question is, how can you prove everything you've said?

I have recently won a case in court similar to this one, but with a lot of hard-on proof, and it was still difficult to prove to the judge.

And again, I repeat myself that buying lots of junk traffic to improve Alexa is nothing new, nor is keeping advertisers happy by occasionally redirecting higher quality traffic.

ShellyCrash · 09-04-2009, 04:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations.

Every. Single. Day.

Quoted for truth.

Mickey_ · 09-04-2009, 04:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atominder

A decent media buyer can tell from the Alexa's detailed stats the quality and primary sources of the traffic.

CamJack · 09-04-2009, 04:22 AM

I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script. The movie rights for this story is worth more than the advertising you could buy on the site.

seeandsee · 09-04-2009, 04:43 AM

i fuck girls like this for dinner

ilbb · 09-04-2009, 05:27 AM

thanks for info

DWB · 09-04-2009, 05:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

hmm were they??

DWB confirmed. Not a single tranny in those pics.

Klen · 09-04-2009, 05:49 AM

This story have sense,i'v seen this happening when i was in ptr industry,then was piece of cake to manipulate alexa rank to reach up to number 1000.When people will realize alexa is not valid info of site traffic.

12clicks · 09-04-2009, 05:54 AM

um, any "top companies" that were scammed because of alexa rankings aren't really top companies.

2MuchMark · 09-04-2009, 06:04 AM

I may get flamed here, but -

I met Francis and a couple of his partners years ago at Internext Miami and they seemed like ok people. At the time they were selling a service that would have introduced us to possible investors. I declined the offer but not because I smelled a Rat, it was just something I wasn't interested in at the time. Good meeting, learned alot, nice people. No hardcore sales tactics.

I met up with Francis again at Internext Vegas. Again no hardcore sales of any kind. "How's it going?" etc etc. Thats it. Same for Internext Miami this past summer.

A couple of weeks ago though, I received a phone call from a sales rep who told me he worked for iPorn. He was extremely bad at his job. I don't know who I felt more badly for: Him, or whoever his boss was. He was terrible.

He was offering me advertising on iPorn for I forget howmuch. $5000 I think. When I asked him what kind of value I was getting for my money though, he could not answer me. What are the stats? How many views will I get? Is this Pay Per Click? Exactly what are you trying to sell me? He had no idea.

So then I asked him if I could test his traffic. "Let's put an affiliate code up for a couple of days - paid if you want - so that you and I can test the traffic together to see if we can convert it. If so, I'll buy in".

To me it seemed like a perfect offer. I did not suggest that his traffic would not covert, instead, I said "Let's see if WE can Convert YOUR traffic". (I was careful to say it exactly this way).

He refused, and instead kept falling back on who the other advertisers were. "Look we have Video Secrets up there! We've got to be good! Why would they advertise with us if we weren't good?" I tried to explain to him that this was exactly the wrong kind of sales pitch to toss around.

I went on to explain that we will gladly pay for advertising as long as we can convert it and make money with it. I told him we did the same with Wildline and spend $30k a year with those guys and we have been their FAVORITE client for the past 3 years already (Hi Johnny!)

It really wasn't his day. I was READY to spend money. I was in a GOOD MOOD, ready to try out a new source of traffic, etc etc. Francis doesn't have the best reputation in the industry but then again so what we've all had shit thrown around at one time or another. If the numbers made sense, I was ready to rock. But nope. This poor guy just kept digging his hole ever deeper. He was the worst salesman I had ever talked to.

Anyway, thats my story with iPorn. I sincerely hope that all the stories about them aren't true. Maybe a post from one of their reps in this thread may help clear things up a little.

If anything, there's lots of lessons to be learned here. Always trust your gut. If a deal seems to good to be true it probably is. Try hard to make the best product possible and offer it at a fair price and you'll do alright.

Dirty D · 09-04-2009, 06:05 AM

LOL at the companies that bought traffic from this train wreck.

I had 3-4 online sales people hitting me up for weeks trying to sell that shit.
A quick look at Alexa shows that it is completely bogus traffic.

Anyone that gave FMK any money, either as an advertiser or investor deserves what they get.... Nothing.

This Douche is making the porn industry look bad... Which is hard to do!

JFK · 09-04-2009, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DirtyWhiteBoy

DWB confirmed. Not a single tranny in those pics.

Dayumn , you're good DWB, here is your prize

Davy · 09-04-2009, 06:48 AM

Thanks for posting, Wizard21.

Janessa · 09-04-2009, 07:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

re the modelling contract, this is just off my icq, the contributor wishes to remain anonymus...................

i knew they scammers man, all they wanted me to do was send girls to their hotel room to win the *modeling contract*

they were even rude to Janessa, telling her she should leave her boyfriend because he was rich and good looking...I was a bit disgusted.......he=francis.......she was contestant #1

they were saying the winner would be announced on Monday so that they could *judge* the girls all weekend
monday came and they never posted who won
that i could see...but they def were implying whoever partied with them and fucked them would get the contract

winner to be decided on the following monday? WHY???
why not right then...well i know why

Funny you say that JFK and its so true I was so disgusted by him. I was barely home from Internext on the Sunday he had already blown up my cell phone offering me the 8K contract and asking me that he wanted ME to be the face of Iporn and wanting to be "partners" of my site ROFL. I told him that I wouldn't sell him a sliver of my site to Iporn for 1M dollars! He at that point said I was a fool for not doing it and I told him to BEAT IT! He wouldn't stop calling me on Monday and now I know why LOL

JFK · 09-04-2009, 07:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Janessa

Funny you say that JFK and its so true I was so disgusted by him. I was barely home from Internext on the Sunday he had already blown up my cell phone offering me the 8K contract and asking me that he wanted ME to be the face of Iporn and wanting to be "partners" of my site ROFL. I told him that I wouldn't sell him a sliver of my site to Iporn for 1M dollars! He at that point said I was a fool for not doing it and I told him to BEAT IT! He wouldn't stop calling me on Monday and now I know why LOL

Thanks for posting Janessa, the info came from a rather reliable source , with no axe to grind. Thanks for confirming it

jay23 · 09-04-2009, 07:40 AM

When they started they wanted me to sign-up to their data base of investors, i was not even looking for an investor. Then i got a proposal for 60K that said they will market my company to investors. Too bad they did not know i spent 10 years in wall street.

Hank_Heartland · 09-04-2009, 07:52 AM

Flash, Dash and Hype over substance and results = Adult Industry every time

troncarver · 09-04-2009, 07:57 AM

there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that

--

so to confirm no model was awarded the contract?

2MuchMark · 09-04-2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troncarver

there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that

--

How come I never get to have sex with bikini models at Internext? It's my big nose, isn't it?

Hank_Heartland · 09-04-2009, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troncarver

there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that

--

so to confirm no model was awarded the contract?

What happens in Florida stays in Florida...Don't you know the rules

GonZo · 09-04-2009, 08:03 AM

I agree with Drity D and Mark Prince AND 12clicks....
nuff said.

GonZo · 09-04-2009, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

While I might not see eye-to-eye with Francis this is incorrect

I was there when the door was kicked in

The guy who kicked the door in was wasted, and was just fucking around trying to make Francis come out his room, where he was camped out with one of the models

He was actually shooting them for his mythical POV cream pie surprise site, which would have been fine if such a site existed.

The issue was insited on doing a POV cream pie scene with every girl before anyone else could work with them.

He then got upset when he found out the agents were charging him for every scene and none of the male talent, myself included, wanted to work with girls after he cream pied them. The Euro porn girls we worked with didn't believe in using a douche.

You know its bad when Porno Dan wont even go after you AND calls you an assclown!

Iron Fist · 09-04-2009, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wargames

This industry constantly amazes me

Really? So the same scam reackaged and polished up amazes you? Eyes Wide Open man.... seriously.

Wizard21 · 09-04-2009, 09:17 AM

I?ve read several posts asking how Francis could scam a ?really? big company in our biz. It is simple. You recruit one of the top sales people on the inside to champion your deal and give them a kick back from the cash you scam. It looks like at least one of the companies on Francis? hit list got suckered this way. So, if you want some ?easy cash? and work for an employer that you secretly hate, just give Francis a call and cut a deal with him to screw your company. Just have your bags packed in case you are found out and act quickly while Francis is still around.

MaDalton · 09-04-2009, 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizard21

I?ve read several posts asking how Francis could scam a ?really? big company in our biz. It is simple. You recruit one of the top sales people on the inside to champion your deal and give them a kick back from the cash you scam. It looks like at least one of the companies on Francis? hit list got suckered this way. So, if you want some ?easy cash? and work for an employer that you secretly hate, just give Francis a call and cut a deal with him to screw your company. Just have your bags packed in case you are found out and act quickly while Francis is still around.

it's getting better and better - too bad i'm not in the popcorn industry

Dirty D · 09-04-2009, 09:44 AM

NEWSFLASH -Successful porn companies don't:
1. want or need any investors.
2. buy shit traffic and resell it to others
3. base your business plan on bilking investors

Don Pueblo · 09-04-2009, 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InternetIsForPorn

Referring to the OP.

This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations.

Every. Single. Day.

And I bet that this happens a lot in porn, too. But it's incredibly hard to prove.

So my question is, how can you prove everything you've said?

I have recently won a case in court similar to this one, but with a lot of hard-on proof, and it was still difficult to prove to the judge.

And again, I repeat myself that buying lots of junk traffic to improve Alexa is nothing new, nor is keeping advertisers happy by occasionally redirecting higher quality traffic.

go ahead and tell that to the huge adult internet companies who bought into that scam and see if they think it's so "passe"

Don Pueblo · 09-04-2009, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JFK

Dayumn , you're good DWB, here is your prize

So that's what Top Bucks money really looks like?

Impressive.

JimmiDean · 09-04-2009, 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script.

Well said.....
I thought the same thing when I got the pitch.

FlexxAeon · 09-04-2009, 10:24 AM

the old alexa bait & switch....

these aren't $25 hardlinks here. when dealing with big $ why wouldn't an advertiser asked to be invoiced periodically, AFTER their ad had been running and they could test out the traffic. especially with a co. that has no track record yet

TheAmericanCannibal · 09-04-2009, 10:37 AM

[IMG]ttp://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Business/images-2/bernard-madoff-portrait.jpg[/IMG]

This rouse is so egregious, even Bernie can't believe it!

Don Pueblo · 09-04-2009, 11:17 AM

how can i fuck the models before they do their scenes?

Porno Dan · 09-04-2009, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by geoGUERILLA

I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script. The movie rights for this story is worth more than the advertising you could buy on the site.

The movie rights to the iPorn story are worth way more than company.

JFK · 09-04-2009, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

This rouse is so egregious, even Bernie can't believe it!

try it now

JustDaveXxx · 09-04-2009, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Porno Dan

The movie rights to the iPorn story are worth way more than company.

Thats what i was thinking. this story gets better and better.

:1o rglaugh

TheAmericanCannibal · 09-04-2009, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx

Thats what i was thinking. this story gets better and better.

:1o rglaugh

All I have been thinking of today after my meeting yesterday, is

NO CARBS

:-))

grumpy · 09-04-2009, 12:05 PM

my sig, pay attention to my sig. Would have saved a lot of people a lot of money

JimmiDean · 09-04-2009, 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

How come I never get to have sex with bikini models at Internext? It's my big nose, isn't it?

I still Love you.....

Don Pueblo · 09-04-2009, 12:33 PM

i sale cheap 404 traffic

Joe King · 09-04-2009, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheAmericanCannibal

PS I wil lbet my bottom dollar the Wizard is Mike Weiss.
Who else would have that much inside info

And it's great timing with his resignation being today don't ya think?

just sayin'...

Oh yeah you are just sayin huh? emkay

Screaming · 09-04-2009, 12:53 PM

this was a fun read

Bryan G · 09-04-2009, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by **********

A couple of weeks ago though, I received a phone call from a sales rep who told me he worked for iPorn. He was extremely bad at his job. I don't know who I felt more badly for: Him, or whoever his boss was. He was terrible.

He was offering me advertising on iPorn for I forget howmuch. $5000 I think. When I asked him what kind of value I was getting for my money though, he could not answer me. What are the stats? How many views will I get? Is this Pay Per Click? Exactly what are you trying to sell me? He had no idea.

So then I asked him if I could test his traffic. "Let's put an affiliate code up for a couple of days - paid if you want - so that you and I can test the traffic together to see if we can convert it. If so, I'll buy in".

To me it seemed like a perfect offer. I did not suggest that his traffic would not covert, instead, I said "Let's see if WE can Convert YOUR traffic". (I was careful to say it exactly this way).

He refused, and instead kept falling back on who the other advertisers were. "Look we have Video Secrets up there! We've got to be good! Why would they advertise with us if we weren't good?" I tried to explain to him that this was exactly the wrong kind of sales pitch to toss around.

I went on to explain that we will gladly pay for advertising as long as we can convert it and make money with it. I told him we did the same with Wildline and spend $30k a year with those guys and we have been their FAVORITE client for the past 3 years already (Hi Johnny!)

It really wasn't his day. I was READY to spend money. I was in a GOOD MOOD, ready to try out a new source of traffic, etc etc. Francis doesn't have the best reputation in the industry but then again so what we've all had shit thrown around at one time or another. If the numbers made sense, I was ready to rock. But nope. This poor guy just kept digging his hole ever deeper. He was the worst salesman I had ever talked to.

Think I was contacted by the same rep lol. I offered the same deal, lets try this out on an affiliate basis for a week if it works out we'll buy. Of course there was no way they would do that

09-03-2009, 10:05 PM	#51
wargames Kliris Join Date: May 2003 Location: ca Posts: 10,423	This industry constantly amazes me __________________ ICQ 212-115-582 Email Steve at Vas Media Group .com

09-03-2009, 10:24 PM	#53
JustDaveXxx I AM JUSTDAVE ! Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: LA Posts: 4,105	This is good!! Gets better and batter!! __________________ Smut Peddler Productions.com ICQ #378-696-435 / / Skype: JustDaveXxx "We shoot custom, exclusive content your way"

09-03-2009, 11:04 PM	#54
billyb Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 184	You know the old saying"don't hate the player, hate the game". FMK has gotten millions of dollars from his endaveours, I guess the big companies he bilked were to stupid?, or to lazy to check out his past?. FMK for Senate 2010, hell! he should run for Governor here in 2010. Some companies should just close their door if they have to deal with people like this.

09-04-2009, 04:22 AM	#62
CamJack Old School Webmaster Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NY Posts: 1,334	I met the guy at the Miami show and smelled a scandal within minutes. The site looks like it runs on a $300 script. The movie rights for this story is worth more than the advertising you could buy on the site. __________________ Skype: promote.promote [email protected]

09-04-2009, 04:43 AM	#63
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09-03-2009, 10:09 PM	#52
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,373	I remember earlier posts about Berlin... something about him "testing" that the girls were suitable to perform on camera by cream pie'ing them in a private room?

09-04-2009, 01:58 AM	#59
InternetIsForPorn Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 848	Referring to the OP. This happens every single fucking day in mainstream. Many "new media" companies do exactly this - buy chunks of junk traffic to show OMG HUGE RESULTS to suits from big corporations. Every. Single. Day. And I bet that this happens a lot in porn, too. But it's incredibly hard to prove. So my question is, how can you prove everything you've said? I have recently won a case in court similar to this one, but with a lot of hard-on proof, and it was still difficult to prove to the judge. And again, I repeat myself that buying lots of junk traffic to improve Alexa is nothing new, nor is keeping advertisers happy by occasionally redirecting higher quality traffic.

09-04-2009, 05:27 AM	#64
ilbb Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2005 Location: EU - Czech republic Posts: 3,025	thanks for info

09-04-2009, 05:49 AM	#66
Klen Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Little Vienna Posts: 32,234	This story have sense,i'v seen this happening when i was in ptr industry,then was piece of cake to manipulate alexa rank to reach up to number 1000.When people will realize alexa is not valid info of site traffic.

09-04-2009, 05:54 AM	#67
12clicks Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: God's right hand Posts: 19,739	um, any "top companies" that were scammed because of alexa rankings aren't really top companies. __________________ I'm not a dinosaur, I'm a crocodile. I've seen dinosaurs come and go and I'm left unimpressed.

09-04-2009, 06:04 AM	#68
2MuchMark Videochat Solutions Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 46,052	I may get flamed here, but - I met Francis and a couple of his partners years ago at Internext Miami and they seemed like ok people. At the time they were selling a service that would have introduced us to possible investors. I declined the offer but not because I smelled a Rat, it was just something I wasn't interested in at the time. Good meeting, learned alot, nice people. No hardcore sales tactics. I met up with Francis again at Internext Vegas. Again no hardcore sales of any kind. "How's it going?" etc etc. Thats it. Same for Internext Miami this past summer. A couple of weeks ago though, I received a phone call from a sales rep who told me he worked for iPorn. He was extremely bad at his job. I don't know who I felt more badly for: Him, or whoever his boss was. He was terrible. He was offering me advertising on iPorn for I forget howmuch. $5000 I think. When I asked him what kind of value I was getting for my money though, he could not answer me. What are the stats? How many views will I get? Is this Pay Per Click? Exactly what are you trying to sell me? He had no idea. So then I asked him if I could test his traffic. "Let's put an affiliate code up for a couple of days - paid if you want - so that you and I can test the traffic together to see if we can convert it. If so, I'll buy in". To me it seemed like a perfect offer. I did not suggest that his traffic would not covert, instead, I said "Let's see if WE can Convert YOUR traffic". (I was careful to say it exactly this way). He refused, and instead kept falling back on who the other advertisers were. "Look we have Video Secrets up there! We've got to be good! Why would they advertise with us if we weren't good?" I tried to explain to him that this was exactly the wrong kind of sales pitch to toss around. I went on to explain that we will gladly pay for advertising as long as we can convert it and make money with it. I told him we did the same with Wildline and spend $30k a year with those guys and we have been their FAVORITE client for the past 3 years already (Hi Johnny!) It really wasn't his day. I was READY to spend money. I was in a GOOD MOOD, ready to try out a new source of traffic, etc etc. Francis doesn't have the best reputation in the industry but then again so what we've all had shit thrown around at one time or another. If the numbers made sense, I was ready to rock. But nope. This poor guy just kept digging his hole ever deeper. He was the worst salesman I had ever talked to. Anyway, thats my story with iPorn. I sincerely hope that all the stories about them aren't true. Maybe a post from one of their reps in this thread may help clear things up a little. If anything, there's lots of lessons to be learned here. Always trust your gut. If a deal seems to good to be true it probably is. Try hard to make the best product possible and offer it at a fair price and you'll do alright. __________________ VideoChat Solutions \| Custom Software \| IT Support https://www.2much.net \| https://www.lcntech.com Last edited by 2MuchMark; 09-04-2009 at 06:06 AM..

09-04-2009, 06:05 AM	#69
Dirty D Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paying Webmasters Millions Since 1999 Posts: 4,044	LOL at the companies that bought traffic from this train wreck. I had 3-4 online sales people hitting me up for weeks trying to sell that shit. A quick look at Alexa shows that it is completely bogus traffic. Anyone that gave FMK any money, either as an advertiser or investor deserves what they get.... Nothing. This Douche is making the porn industry look bad... Which is hard to do! __________________ Dirty D - ICQ #1326843 - $1 Million Dollars of Bonus Money - 8,000+ FHG! Glory Hole Girlz - Crack Whore Confessions - Tampa Bukkake - Slut Wife Training - Fuck a Fan Electricity Play - Porn Video Drive - Theater Sluts - Skunk Riley - Ukraine Amateurs - Strapon Sessions

09-04-2009, 06:48 AM	#71
Davy Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,323	Thanks for posting, Wizard21. __________________ --- ICQ 14-76-98 <-- I don't use this at all

09-04-2009, 07:40 AM	#74
jay23 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,443	When they started they wanted me to sign-up to their data base of investors, i was not even looking for an investor. Then i got a proposal for 60K that said they will market my company to investors. Too bad they did not know i spent 10 years in wall street.

09-04-2009, 07:52 AM	#75
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09-04-2009, 07:57 AM	#76
troncarver Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 1,584	there was definitely some fucking of the models going on after the biking contest - i am sure of that -- so to confirm no model was awarded the contract? __________________ BADOINK.COM skype: troncarver

09-04-2009, 08:03 AM	#79
GonZo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Atlanta,Ga. Posts: 3,180	I agree with Drity D and Mark Prince AND 12clicks.... nuff said.

09-04-2009, 09:17 AM	#82
Wizard21 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 21	The Easy Way to Scam A Big Porn Company?Koenig style. I?ve read several posts asking how Francis could scam a ?really? big company in our biz. It is simple. You recruit one of the top sales people on the inside to champion your deal and give them a kick back from the cash you scam. It looks like at least one of the companies on Francis? hit list got suckered this way. So, if you want some ?easy cash? and work for an employer that you secretly hate, just give Francis a call and cut a deal with him to screw your company. Just have your bags packed in case you are found out and act quickly while Francis is still around.

09-04-2009, 09:44 AM	#84
Dirty D Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Paying Webmasters Millions Since 1999 Posts: 4,044	NEWSFLASH -Successful porn companies don't: 1. want or need any investors. 2. buy shit traffic and resell it to others 3. base your business plan on bilking investors __________________ Dirty D - ICQ #1326843 - $1 Million Dollars of Bonus Money - 8,000+ FHG! Glory Hole Girlz - Crack Whore Confessions - Tampa Bukkake - Slut Wife Training - Fuck a Fan Electricity Play - Porn Video Drive - Theater Sluts - Skunk Riley - Ukraine Amateurs - Strapon Sessions

09-04-2009, 10:24 AM	#88
FlexxAeon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 3,765	the old alexa bait & switch.... these aren't $25 hardlinks here. when dealing with big $ why wouldn't an advertiser asked to be invoiced periodically, AFTER their ad had been running and they could test out the traffic. especially with a co. that has no track record yet __________________ flexx [dot] aeon [at] gmail

09-04-2009, 10:37 AM	#89
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09-04-2009, 11:17 AM	#90
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09-04-2009, 12:05 PM	#95
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09-04-2009, 12:33 PM	#97
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09-04-2009, 12:53 PM	#99
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