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theking 12-08-2002 03:58 AM

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Originally posted by .:Frog:.
I'm getting a real kick out of the ignorant posts which try to justify the use of nuclear weapons.
An invasion would have prolonged the agony for all involved and the estimated cost in lives were in the millions, the over whelming majority of which would have been Japanese lives. Bottom line is, using the nukes saved lives. Are you against the saving of human lives? Maybe you will be willing to expand on your comment?

unconnected 12-08-2002 05:27 AM

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Sorry to disillusion you Labret, but the Japanese had no reason to attack Pearl Harbor in 1941 other than to force the Americans into war. Obviously lend-lease was working to an extent the Axis forces were uncomfortable with it -- not saying it worked perfectly, but saying it worked well enough -- and the Germans were in no position to attack the US.
Besides the fact that your facts are being clouded over by family loss can you offer any evidence whatsoever to back up this claim?
As far as every documentary I have ever seen you are dead wrong on this one..
But hey, what do PBS, the BBC, and The discovery channel know?
I am not patronizing your families loss that day, but your family was one in thousands that lost family members, The japanese suffered that toll 100 times worse and then some...

You hurt us, we will hurt you more was the logic on the american generals mind that day.. Let them come up with as many rational and logical explanations as they can, the bottom line is that there is no logic in nuclear weapons or their use, just a lot of rage and personal bias..

Sambuka 12-08-2002 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by unconnected


Besides the fact that your facts are being clouded over by family loss can you offer any evidence whatsoever to back up this claim?
As far as every documentary I have ever seen you are dead wrong on this one..
But hey, what do PBS, the BBC, and The discovery channel know?
I am not patronizing your families loss that day, but your family was one in thousands that lost family members, The japanese suffered that toll 100 times worse and then some...

You hurt us, we will hurt you more was the logic on the american generals mind that day.. Let them come up with as many rational and logical explanations as they can, the bottom line is that there is no logic in nuclear weapons or their use, just a lot of rage and personal bias..

Well perhaps America was playing the peace card again cause fucking Japan was invading China and raping 10,000's of woman, they had camps setup for there soldiers where all the chinesse woman were constantly raped by Japanesse soldiers stantioned there. Japan was fucking bad back then, they were invading every damn country they could get there hands on. I heard America issued to santions or warnings or some shit, don't know the full details. But for whatever reason Japan WAS the BAD egg at that time, they were not peacfully expanding, they were fucking wagging war with lots and lots of little countries and growing pretty huge.

The nukes saved lives, 100,000's of lives, both American and Japanesse. And the Japs were the bad ones for starting all this mess, don't even try to tell me the Japanesse were justified in attacking America.

Sammy

TheFLY 12-08-2002 08:44 AM

<font size=+1>LOL the Japanese never surrendered!</font>

TheFLY 12-08-2002 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by theking


Not correct. The US had basically issued a cease and desist order to the Japanese for there expansionism in Asia and their war with China and the US was preparing to set up a Naval blockade against Japan which in and of itself is an act of War.

Hmm... So the attack on PH was to reduce the # of ships that were to be used for a Naval blockade against Japan...

Interesting.

So what's the latest in "warfare" strategy? We are beyond naval blockades and bombs now... What's the next "big thing" ? Missle defense?

TeraBabes 12-08-2002 09:39 AM

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Originally posted by theking


...For your Pathfinder remark. :321GFY

For a guy who says over and over and over that you "don't care" if people think you are Pathfinder or not, you sure jump through a lot of hoops.

:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 12-08-2002 10:16 AM

Sorry but maybe you are looking at too narrow a picture. Think back to Europe at the time.

Stalin had intimidated a sick FDR and and an isolated Churchill into letting him have half of Europe. Stalin had an enormous well equipped army ready and willing to go further West. He was a paranoid leader.

Do you think that dropping the TWO Atomic bombs was designed to show him what the West had in store for him?

UnseenWorld 12-08-2002 12:07 PM

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Originally posted by TeraBabes
I wonder if that is the number of *people* who died that day or the number of *Americans* who died.

Anyone know what the Japanese casualty count was that day?

Jeez, we were at WAR, man! Plus, even when not at war, the US government (like any government) has a responsibility to its own citizens it doesn't have to any other country's citizens, and especially when those others are the enemy.

UnseenWorld 12-08-2002 12:12 PM

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Originally posted by bawdy


after visiting Hiroshima a couple of years ago and going to the museum in peace park it seems that this comment seems pretty valid... Hiroshima is flat is surrounded by mountains etc... made a good location to test the bomb... and once Japan surrended there where much testing and recording of medical conditions of the locals etc... maybe I swallowed a little propaganda that day but it does make some sense

It was all valuable information that any responsible government would have needed to have after using a weapon like that for the first time. I don't see how that in itself can be faulted.

Fletch XXX 12-08-2002 12:13 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

So what's the latest in "warfare" strategy?

I've read this.

A Good read on, the Next War.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...5537?vi=glance

TheFLY 12-08-2002 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by UnseenWorld


Jeez, we were at WAR, man! Plus, even when not at war, the US government (like any government) has a responsibility to its own citizens it doesn't have to any other country's citizens, and especially when those others are the enemy.

Not really.

The real point of war is to make money through population control and weapons production -- the USA's #1 export :thumbsup

TheFLY 12-08-2002 12:16 PM

Is hatred a necessary evil?

a) Yes, let's make some money while we're at it.
b) No, ok let's sing "We are the world, we are the children..."

Fletch XXX 12-08-2002 12:21 PM

The ability to attack an enemy's civilian infrastructure, such as communication networks, air traffic control, bridges and dams, and electric grids, will be part of the new era of war. With the advanced state of digital imaging, misinformation campaigns in enemy countries can take on a much more convincing role. All it takes is for one country to have a few skilled hackers, and suddenly the number of troops, the hardware, and the nuclear devices don't matter. Could there be an "electronic Pearl Harbor?"

:smokin


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