Just make sure the number they call has no relevance to any actual address you are likely to visit or inhabit.

"This was planned since the beginning of my career, but first I had to fight the common and yet wrong idea that making the fans part of the action labels you as an amateur," Deep said

The pros can learn a lot from the amateurs. Good on you for realizing that :) Keep the fans happy, keep the retentions high.

if she has call display will she call back and stalk you? :)

I've had a phone number on my site for years....It's a good way to keep your ear to the audience..

Call and say hello... 216-472-3508

the next step eh

:1orglaugh

Cool move, but I wonder how long it could be viable. It just takes one member to post the number on a blog or forum before the whole world has it and is calling...great for building public perception of you, but how many calls can you live with before you have to kill the number? Likewise for that obsessive, stalker fan who calls 100 times/day.

Maybe you could set up a daily passcode that has to be machine verified or a rotating extension number before it actually gets to you. That may minimize the non-member calls, but you'll still get some obsessed members who you'll ultimately have to block.

One last concern: If this is a personal landline, then make sure your address is not available to that same stalker fan... Good luck with it!

Thats very interestng to see how that works out.

Cool Idea. Maybe you could change it to improve retention & avoid leaks. Also ask for the member username, and keep a running list so you know if it is a valid member. :2 cents:

There is no feasible way for her to keep a running memberslist. lol

She is having this forwarded to her cell phone with absolutely no vetting of who can call. So she is going to be driving down the street, shopping for groceries, eating dinner, etc. and the phone will ring.

Then she is supposed to ask: Hey are you a member?
lol

First off she's already talking to whomever it is, member or not.
Second of all she would have to pull out a list of members...don't know how many she has, but CM for instance has over 2,000.
Third...all it takes to thwart that already un-do-able idea is to post the phone number and your username on the boards.

I still don't believe this has been thought out correctly. This is already being done by others as I stated earlier in a method that ensures that members only are allowed to call and they never actually have your personal phone number to keep.

I'm sure that after she tries this for a few days, she will need to go back and tweak this out. No need to try and re-invent the wheel. There is already a method that has been proven successful through trial and error. :)

But everybody has to find out for themselves.

Sorry Robbie. You haven't got a clue. And most of all you don't know me. Certainly you haven't followed me, otherwise you would give me a bit more credit ;) Thanks for the feedback though.

I was talking calls from members back in 99 with Dugmor!

It's certainly nothing new, as a few people have already mentioned. I remember I promoted at least one amateur site maybe 6-7 years ago, maybe longer, that did this too. I want to say rocky____.com or roxy____.com or something like that. Anyone else remember?

Dude... RF this year?

I'm definitely not being disrespectful to you. And I applaud you for the interaction. But when it comes to internet porn and the things that you can do...I certainly do have more than a clue. And all I'm saying is that if you are just giving out a phone number on your site as you say you are doing...then you are going to find out real quick how bad of an idea that is. You just think they are stealing your entire members area...watch how fast that phone number gets abused. I hope you are able to make the idea work. But just giving out your phone number is not the way to do it. There are ways to interact with your actual members over the phone. But neither I nor my programmers can see where giving out your actual number and only having a current member be able to call it is feasible by just posting your phone number.

Forgive me if I'm ignorant and you aren't really doing that, but have some kind of a system in place. I'm just going by what you're saying...which is that you have posted an actual phone number in the members area. That isn't gonna stay members only. Just like unprotected videos don't.

great marketing there :thumbsup

interesting

good idea, but plan on changing the number often...

what about when they cancel, or give the number out. even worse, post it on a message forum.

but excellent marketing, just need to work out the kinks.

I just can't grasp the concept of doing something for free that you could pinch an extra 100k per year out of....

A guy will take whatever you can give him.. and by giving this for free... eh.

Good luck with it.. but I see zero purpose in doing client interaction for free.. when they would clearly pay for it.. and pay for it hugely.

That's because you're promoting paid phone sex, so that's the perspective you'd see it through. She can speak for herself, but I'm guessing she's more concerned with site membership rebills & retention than in finding another thing to charge her members for. Just my guess.

Donovan is right. Live interaction with your members means retention.
And retention is the difference between being rich and being poor.

Sabrina is on the right track. We do the same thing as far as allowing members to shoot scenes with CM, etc. Interaction is the only thing that the pirates can't steal.

I'd rather have a few thousand recurring members at 30 bucks a pop than to try and charge a handful for phone sex.

bump for Sabrina :)

Yeah i prefer to limit the amount of free content out there than charging extra for every little thing inside the members area. Little free promo content and a personal, interactive relationship with the subscriber is working really good for me and my active affiliates so far.

Now that's thinking out of the box

this is a good idea. The number will eventually become like any other content, and changing a land line number often will be a pain in the ass.
eventually the phone number will get leaked on some site.

Very Very Nice concept, cong.

Good idea. :2 cents:

Hi Sabrina, just curious, how did your phone service work out?
If you would prefer not to reveal your real number and start charging surfers for the privilege of chatting with you, hit me up ;-)

Chance to meet? Yeah. Can't get an escort on a tube site either.

I don't see why anyone would knock her for trying this, whether or not it's been done before, it's a pretty smart move from a marketing/business stand point. Sure it can have it's setbacks, and end up not being as easy to keep up with, or have the right outcomes, but it's not like the operation can't be shut down if it does, without any major backlash.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out over the next few months!

see u next year sabrina!

Two year old thread bumped... :upsidedow

Damn, this girl knew more about the direction of the industry in 2009 than most know today. :1orglaugh

does it not cost you money if its not direct to your mobile but via a landline?

and surly it will be posted on forums.

indeed! :thumbsup

"Her private work number"

lol how did I miss that. So I guess the future is now, any updates on how this turned out, and if she still has a phone # available to her members now?

http://www.beetlo.com/pic_files/62/6...1i3w1o1500.gif

amazing what things people think are revolutionary. :1orglaugh

Two years later, the number is still on my website, it hasn't changed, i have leaked it myself a couple of times on Twitter and it is now a "reward" at http://fanstalker.net/thesect/ Yes i founded FanStalker the last two years, among others)
No abuse whatsoever, happy fans, happy Sabrina, super loyal fans = friends.
Being able to call you through a thirdy party system is like paying to watch you on cam. Having your phone number is like being your friend. You would be surprised of the amount of support that a friend is willing to offer compared to a fan.

I know this is a two year old thread, but just seeing it. Alysha has been having members call her for a few years now. We have instructions in the members area for members to call her directly. The number forwards to her cell phone, and we can turn it off, send directly to voice mail, or she can answer it any time she wants.

Then she is not giving away her number. Is it so difficult to understand the difference? If your best friend gave you instructions on how to call something that then would forward to his real number wouldn't you think "so you don't trust me to give me your number?"

It's a completely different thing that you are doing there. You are offering a voice service for members whenever Alysha feels like turning it on (no difference from webcam), you are not telling her fans "hey, here is my number, call me when you want cause you're my friend".

I didn't say "she is giving away her number". I said "Alysha has been having members call her for a few years now". She doesn't charge anything, she actually answers the phone when it's convenient for her, and it gets used quite often. And, the way we have it set up, only existing members can call her.

And, she has the number forward to her cell phone so she can answer it, send to voicemail, etc. at her discretion. But, she knows the second the phone rings if it's a member calling or if it's something else (family, etc.). I could see some some awkward moments if a member calls while you're at dinner with family and you decide to answer it. And comparing giving your number to a stranger (member) and a best friend isn't even close to the same.

You think our ideas are totally different, but in reality the members get the exact same end result and know no difference. I applaud you if that's what you do and it makes you feel better that they have your "actual" number.

I don't think anything. I'm stating a fact. My fans (not just my members) can have my telephone number and call me whenever they want (yes also for Xmas dinner, since i don't hide my job to anyone). Now, that is simply different from instructing members to send their voice through a system which forwards it to a cell phone. Marketing wise it is extreeeeemely different, as a mater of fact. I don't understand why you get heated from this. You come on my thread saying that Alysha does this since years and i simply tell you that we are talking about two different things, not that Alysha is crap or worse than me or whatever. Calm down and breath.

People asked for an update after 2 years and that's what i'm doing.

Glad it is working out. No surprise. emjay's solution is a good one for those afraid of giving out the real number.

I wasn't heated at all... in fact, I thought you were.

And, I don't think the two things are that different... you allow members to call you, and so do we. No biggie, though... your content seems great, and I'm sure you know what you're doing. I wish you the best. :thumbsup

C'mon man!!! The star with the red S in it is the international phone sex symbol for FRIDAY .... not MONDAY!!!

Stop trying to confuse people!!! :321GFY