Hi, Sustanon is a mixture of testosterones remember.... So obviously the the faster acting testosterones showed their effects in the first week and plus being clean the effect were greater as my body reaced quicker to the 1000mg of Sust. After the first week of strength gains there were no more gains excepts in body size.

The best ever cycle was Test propionate, with horse hormones, hgh, t3, clen, proviron, nolvadex, wintrol, halotestin and then to finish off with clomid and HCG - became really lean and vascular

Sounds interesting...

Yeah it is interesting.... horse hormones made me really vascular and I started eating like a horse too. Would wake up for no reason at night with a huge urge to eat food..... Also my cock became really vascular and would get boners all the time that would not go down. Also even after say cumming I would keep a solid boner and it just never went down and some girl said to me "what the fuck are you on, you just seem to be able to fuck and fuck" - I think porn producers look for these qualities in a male actor??? I had to come off the gear becuase I started going loopy and now everything is back to normal - no more vascular superman cock, just Clark Kent!

what do you look like to be taking that last cycle you posted, i would hope you became lean and vascular, thats pretty much a full recomp cycle. how long did you run each compound, doses, etc? Pretty damn diesel if you ask me, all youd need in there is some Tren and i'd say your legally insane lol. how'd your body fair with the clen/t3?

I need to find a doc in MA for this. Tried to get test because my levels are low and they said they were OK right now...which they are not...I was being treated in AZ not to long ago dammit.

I would love to find a very good hormone therapy doctor. I have had blood tests done that show that I have very very low testosterone according to what "traditional" guidelines say that I should have.

I truly believe upping that level would help me with a variety of things that I now take traditional meds for. But I also want a doctor who knows what they are doing as I obviously do not want too much testosterone.

Hi

I did not need Tren because I was using Haltestin..... whatever I am talking about was 5 years ago when I was 24.

I did do alot of cardio with my cycle and got my abs showing a 4 pack but then Christmas came and then after that just became bulky. Who ever touched me could not believe how solid the muscle tissue was....

The side effects were, acne, above normal aggression level when not needed, not able to think rationally, contant boners, need for sex 247..... thinking I was too small (17 stones), over analysing physique like oh damn tricep shape needs to be improved etc etc

Any way, glad to be clean and back to normal

BTW - my mate was taking a rat poison as a cutting agent, cannot remember the name of it.


Oh and the cycle was 12 weeks, 8 weeks on the gear and then 4 weeks coming off using clomid and hcg.... cannot remember the dosages.

Clen/t3 - really felt their power when doing cardio as my body would heat up more than normal therefore burning the fat.... the sweat would show steam comming off my body

ust buy it on the blackmarket

same here...and it's free

I started walking July 1st, first 2 miles, now 3 and next month bumping it 4. Feeling better physically and mentally. It's a great antidote to the Too Much Time on the Computer syndrome.

Interesting thread. Has anyone had any negative side effects from this therapy?

What from just HGH?

Then you feel slightly tighter, better body composition and look a tiny bit younger, better skin condition but you have to take it for some time and it costs a lot of money....

My father uses the growth hormone because he had his pituitary gland removed because of a tumor wrapped around it.

Amazing what that stuff can do and counteract.

So if I'm middle aged and just want to feel and look a little better small doses of HGH are a good thing? The only drawback is that they cost a grand a month? Sort of like a super vitamin?


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You people taking this to 'feel better' need to wake up to your addiction problem.

Your body stops producing testosterone, naturally, as a "result" of your "life style."

I understand some people have "real" medical reasons to take this, the rest of you are on drugs.



P.S. For the people interested, your body naturally produces everything you need. Change your diet and work out more, the results will be FAR more beneficial than a drug ever could be. Health is about balance....

a lot of ignorance in this thread, just sayin....

That's why I'm curious .......


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Try looking for a female endocrinologist in your area. Let them check your thyroid, hgh, and test levels. Make sure you get a woman who will understand your needs as a woman. Claudia-Marie has been seeing a female endo here in Vegas for about 6 months and has HGH, test, and thyroid regimens she is on. HUGE difference in every way for her.
The test you'll get is a very weak cream to rub on. But that tiny bit of test is necessary in women. And get ready for your sex drive to go into overdrive. :Graucho:Graucho

why the need to shit on almost every thread. You must be a very unhappy person.

That's true, for young people.

Not true for guys my age. A man stops producing testosterone early on. Not completely stops, but begins to stop. A man who is 60 will often have less testosterone in his system than a 19 year old woman.

I'm 47 years old...and my body just doesn't produce enough test on it's own to make me feel worth a shit. I don't know if it's because people just aren't supposed to live as long as medical science has made possible or what. (remember the average lifespan was in the 30's a few centuries back) But for whatever reason, I don't think a man should have to grow older looking and feeling like shit.

If I can replace the NATURAL hormones that my body produced as a young man and feel that energy, power, and mental clarity again...then why shouldn't I use testosterone therapy?

I'd rather have the muscular body I have now (I work out everyday at the gym) with a hard cock....than to be what I see most men my age look like: they look like they could be my grandfather. lol I don't want to end up soft, fat bellied, out of shape, no dick, and dying from a dozen little ailments brought on by lack of physical activity that can be directly attributed to lack of drive and weakness of body brought on by a lack of testosterone in the system.

A man who is low on testosterone simply can't just go to the gym and get in shape. It doesn't work that way.

Not getting into the mental aspects of it...just from a physiological standpoint... a guy who has low testosterone CAN'T get in shape. Their muscle tissue won't grow back fast enough after breaking it down during excercise. And since muscle burns fat...they will continue to get fatter. And the fatter they get, the less ability they have to excercise.

It's a vicious circle. Testosterone therapy can break that cycle by giving you back the necessary hormones that you are missing as you age.

As far as guys doing hardcore bodybuilding...yeah they are overdoing it and taking a lot of drugs to get what they want. But that should be their business...not the government or law enforcement. Fucking govt. needs to stay out of people's lives and go back to working FOR us instead of arresting people for bodybuilding. Or partying. Or anything else they can dream up to control people's lives. </rant>

^ deleted my entire post, you beat me to it GREAT POST. Badmaash completely over did his cycle, thats something a PRO or semi-pro should be on, not a recreational user of this stuff. Everything in moderation, more does not always mean better, especially in regards to stuff like this.

you rarely comment on anything and make sense.

as usual, this is not one of those moments where you do.

Hello

The cycle was not overdone..... I went to a gym that had a lot of competing athletes and I also trained very very hard, 7 days a week and for half a year was training twice a day, eating 8 times a day. You should not jump to conclusions of what is right or wrong for someone....

I think that it was a moderate cycle....

Also.... I would not call my self a recreational user as you can see that I trained hard, my training partner actually went and competed on stage. I have competed in weight lifting.... My social circle was just all hardcore people at the time so naturally had the dedication and motivation be able to train as hard as I did.

Put it this way, I was not in the gym only training arms and chest (now thats a recreational guy)!

Anyway, train hard

I have been training since the age of 16 until I turned 26 and have been only going a little bit for the last three years because I wanted a change and now am ready to go back properly but naturally this time (well maybe creatine and things like that)

I've used the cream and it didn't help any. I have had the pellet therapy, where they make a tiny incision and put that in. I felt fan*fucking*tastic for about 3 days, then it went away. The last doctor that I talked to said that was likely due to me metabolizing it too quickly. I dunno.

He wrote me a script for a pill form of test, but the insurance wouldn't cover it.

So I am kind of in limbo until I can afford to go back to the doctor who originally ran a zillion tests and determined that I have practically no test. Hopefully he will come up with something.

^ you know what man i completely misread what you said, you said BEST cycle, i thought it was only your 2nd cycle. Honest mistake, keep it up man. Im just getting back in the swing myself, double hernia surgery here =/ still recovering

when did you start using it?

any pill form of test will need to be metalobized during the first pass through the liver. This pass is liver toxic, not really the best mode of taking testosterone, u should run that by your DR too

That's how the natural progression of your life SHOULD be.. It's "time for you to calm down" as your entire body does.

It's NATURAL... It's NOT natural to inject hormones into your body, unless you absolutely need them.

Now in your case, maybe you do need them. Maybe you eat well enough and your workout is proper for your age. You aren't as young as MANY of the people in this thread but 47 isn't old either.


So unless you have a real medical problem... you can rejuvenate your body without hormone injections, your body can produce testosterone again, naturally.


But it's never going to be back where it was, you shouldn't feel younger, because you aren't younger. If you don't like how you feel, change your entire style, it's really that simple.

Yeah, I read something to that effect when I was researching the script before I tried to fill it. I had almost talked myself out of taking it, then I decided to try it for a few days. Then I found out it wasn't an option in terms of being covered.

I think the name of it was Methyltestosterone

Oh look it's capt fake nick post whore open his cock holster again.


It takes intelligence to understand my posts... I forgive you due to your inability to comprehend English.

Try Andriol, its suppose to be a mild oral testosterone and if you are worries about you liver (although you should not be becuae the body is great at breaking down things unless you got some disease already) then use milk thistle

All of the diet and exercise in the world will not raise your testosterone levels significantly after they start to decline. Just like a bald man can't healthier and grow his hair back. Once it's gone, it's gone.

Aging men have an option (and so do post menopausal women) thanks to advancements in medicine today. Simply ACCEPT that they're old, worn out & tired (regardless of diet and exercise) or combat aging with an anti-aging protocol.

It is purely a quality of life issue, if you have no problems with aging and slowing down then you'd never need to bother. For others, it makes all the difference in the world.

just out of curiousity how much was the script uncovered?

If you compare a person who has worked out all their life at the age of say 60 with another guy who never has - there is a massive difference....

Anti ageing anit gonna do shit for you if you already are not looking after yourself.... there is no magic pill

Even steroids will not do anything for you if you do not train hard


First comes looking after yourself and then to compliment your hard work you can use other things to give you an "edge"

No, the NATURAL progression of life is that we would all be dead in our mid-30's

Are you going to accept that naturally when you have a heart attack you die? Or that if you caught strep throat...you die?

Of course not. You use modern science to stop that from happening. You use things everyday in your life that aren't part of the natural progression.

I for one enjoy LIVING my life. Not watching it become what I see in a lot of other men.

But to each his own. As I said earlier, there is no reason to look and feel like shit in this day and age. If I have a headache, I'll take an aspirin. If my testosterone levels are low then I'll raise them.

What's the point of living into our 70's and 80's in wheelchairs and respirators? Or like my grandfather, confined to a bed at age 88?

I plan on getting outdoors at that age and doing things and continuing working and fucking and LIVING. Not just existing.

But that's just my personality. To each his own. :)

Edit: And no, a man's body can NOT produce the needed levels of testosterone on it's own after a certain age. Testosterone levels begin decreasing around the age of 30 to 32 years of age and go down FAST.

The benefits of optimal hormone balance don't just stop at the gym. My mother does not work out at all, and hormone therapy has drastically changed her life. She is able to sleep throughout the night now, her migraine headaches (3 to 4 a week for years) have stopped (she's had 2 in 1 year now), she is much more stable emotionally and has a completely different outlook on life.

Have you ever come off a serious cycle w/o a PCT and crashed hard for several months? Do you remember how you felt (besides making 0 gains in the gym) when your testosterone levels were on the floor? Emotionally, cognitively, etc?

There is more to this than what you can get out of it at the gym. But I do agree, there is no magic pill and those that have been taking care of themselves from the beginning have will always carry an advantage over those that haven't.

Bottle of cyp is $150 a the pharmacy, $30 bucks after insurance.
and it beats that q-vet mexican shit for sure lol.
Duke

where or how can I find HGH to buy it online? a trustfull place?

I can buy test all day long that isn't vet stuff. Matter of fact it's the same exact stuff you get at the pharmacy with your prescription.

There are guys in eastern Europe who do that for a living. You order from them, they walk into their local drug store and buy it right over the counter (you can do the same thing in mexico, I bought some testosterone complete with syringes over the counter at the pharmacy at the airport down in Cancun)

Anyway, back to the European sellers...they simply go to the pharmacy and buy it because it's legal just about everywhere except our "free" country. And even after they add on their money to make a profit...I can still get that same vial of cyp for $40 delivered right to my home.

I had a buddy a couple of years ago who went down to Mexico and went to a bunch of different pharmacies and filled up a freakin' shampoo bottle with test. lol

You can get the same exact test for about $500 for a years supply on the black market. Same company making it, same packaging, same everything.

But as y'all know...we here in the U.S. are gouged by the medical lobbyists to make sure that EVERYTHING we buy is more expensive. From testosterone to antibiotics...people are more and more buying their pharmaceuticals from foreign countries.

We mark it up so much here, that foreigners can buy it in their own countries, jack it up nicely for a profit, and still sell it for a third of the prices we pay. :(

one might also argue that it requires some degree of intelligence to recognize that you have zero understanding of the subject on which you are commenting on

:2 cents:

that being said... my testosterone should be arriving tuesday. if you would pull your head out of your ass to listen to Robbie or Tical, you might learn something... but you're too backwards, arrogant and bitter to care. you could actually dramatically improve your quality of life in every possible way. but you've resigned to breaking down and falling apart. thats your choice. its not mine. its obviously not theirs.

since you have no clue what you are talking about and really have no interest in the subject... there is not much point in explaining things to you.

and please... don't be a hypocritical now. when you get colon cancer or have a heart attack... just keep telling yourself "this is the natural progression of life" and die quietly so we don't have to hear about it. don't become a drug user. its not your place to play God with your health. you've made that clear. the rest of us will be busy improving our health and our overall quality of life. through diet/nutrition, exercise and hormone optimization

:2 cents:

In the $350 for 30 range.

it is a controlled prescription drug in the U.S., importing it can be a serious crime :2 cents:

if you are out of the U.S. and in many countries you have alot more options

I'm guessing you are talking about DNP, which is a drastic step to take to shred off the last bits of body fat under the skin, it can be pretty toxic...... most of us consider health to be more important than having paper thin skin covering their 8 pack abs :2 cents:

First, we aren't talking about death... you aren't going to die from not having it.

People didn't "always" live only into the 30's.. that's nothing more than example of how bad health/life was for awhile. And again, we aren't talking about living, you would alive if you didn't take it.

After all it is a newer drug and it's not like people JUST started to live older, due to this.

Chances are if you NOTICE the problems this early, you have a disorder called: hypogonadism Which is often over looked and happens due to chemical balance in the brain due to the foods you eat.

....Unless "you have a REAL medical problem." Like a disease of some type.

Taking hormone can cause: Acne, high cholesterol, shrunken testicles and liver damage. Some types may they increase your risks of prostate cancer and heart disease.


You CAN increase them naturally. Look it up.

milk thistle was proven not to do JACK for your liver. NAC is the way to go these days. Andriol is probably what she was prescribed to begin with. ^ +1 d-null u got it man DNP, shit gives you brown sweats

I've been taking saizen 2 i.u.'s per evening.

MOST of the people in this thread aren't taking it because they are old (and as I have clearly stated, SOME do need it for medical reasons) Rather people here are doing it because they are fat, lazy and eat like trash. (or want to get bigger) And using Old Age as excuse for being lazy.


When I get MUCH older and "actually am at risk for a heat attack due to my levels" then I will take it, if the doctor suggests it. Otherwise, I will change my life style first... <-- always, for just about ANY medical condition.


"You people taking this to 'feel better' need to wake up to your addiction problem." You are taking it to FEEL BETTER --- NOT live longer. If you want to feel better, get off your lazy ass.

Leave me your email and I will forward you some information on how I am buying it.

That is the exact reason I started the therapy. 2 iu's per day is a low dose compared to the "body building" daily dose. I do it to feel better and it IS working for me.