Agree or disagree with Senator Kennedy's

G. H.W. Bush was a war hero, his son was an officier in the national guard -- at the time the national guard was never deployed overseas in conflicts. If you are a college graduate you generally go into the military at a 2nd Lt. level, if you aren't you go in as a plain enlisted private there's nothing special about the two situations.

Where did I make comparisons? Only facts!
Tony 404 said that Bush wasn't in the military.
But if you want to make comparisons? My daughter has a higher rank in the Navy that Ted had in the Army and has more ribbons than both put together. Currently on the USS Ronald Reagon on the other side of the world.

W ducked out of going to Vietnam.Didnt see any all bitching about that and so did Cheney he said he had better things to do.Not a sound It is right hate please lets not kid ourselves pissing on the mans grave. If immigration is such a big problem in 2000 you controlled it all and did nothing. Once again if it wasnt for the left you wouldnt be working in porn.

Try to keep on subject, I know it's hard to make a point without changing the subject, but lets try?
First you say that Bush wasn't in the military, now you say he went in to stay out of vietnam? So which is it? Kennedy was kept out of Korea the same way, whats your point?
Where did I say I was in control of anything in 2000, you're making me into part of the GOP machine, I'm not, I'm for the country in whats right, not what the politicians are doing to the country. THE TWO PARTY SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK!! And you think that the only reason we have a porn industry is because of the democrats? Come on, porn has been around since cave drawings, the vatican has millions in paintings of naked women and you bunch the whole thing into the reason we have the democrats is because we want porn? The Bush administration made it harder on our industry. Clinton made it hard by letting it run itself, people got a little pissed when their 5 year old got emails trying to sell them porn. Things like that gave backing to the GOP thru the church, so again, whats your point?

I know it's hard to fathom, but I don't like either main parties, things need to change and people like Ted Kennedy were not the answer.

People wanted change.

Since the 2006 general elections, the Democratic Party has been the majority party in both the House of Representatives and the United States Senate. Democrats also hold a majority of state governorships and control a majority of state legislatures.

they promised changed

So what changes have happened since 2006?

I am sorry but no one goes into the military as a 2nd Lt. unless they have been graduated via ROTC or a recognized military academy. If one has a college degree it may qualify one to attend OCS and obtain a commision upon graduation from OCS...but a degree does not automatically qualify one to attend OCS and one also must enlist as a private before one can begin to qualify to attend OCS.

BTW...education had little if anything to do with one attaining rank when Senator Kennedy was in the Army. At that time rank was attained differently than it is now...and there were three ranks of private...E-1...E-2 (which was automatic) and E-3 (which was a Private 1st Class) and I suspect that if he came out as a private it would have been as a Private 1st Class...which would not have been particularly unusual on a two year enlistment. In addition at that time he would not have had to have a college degree to qualify to attend OCS...but if he would have applied and if he would have graduated and been commissioned he would have had an obligation to serve beyond his two year enlistment which many did not want to do...so they never made an effort to become officers.

My bad, I should have included the OCS, but my main point stands -- if you have a college degree they recruit you for OCS not to enlist generally afaik.

What is your daughter's E rating now and how many rows of ribbons does she currently have? Any meritorious ribbons? If I remember correctly...and I may not...weren't you a Submariner?

Love Senator Kennedy, or, hate him.....he was still a great man; or, we wouldn't be talking about him.

RIP

If I remember right, I think she's up to 7 ribbons now, they did some humanitarian work that scored them some ge-dunks, she has a warfare pin and is currently working on a second one, one for air one for sea, she made e-4 in 2 years, minimum time, she has one meritorious, I have one and she got a marksmanship for the pistol in boot, seems her shooting with me on weekends, paid off! I just wish they would let her qualify on the M-16, would be another easy ribbon, she's scary good with my AR-15

Yes I was on a submarine, USS Tautog SSN 639 fast attack
Shes on the biggest baddest warship on the planet

Do I sound proud? LMAO
When she gets out in a little over a year, she's going to medical school, uncle sam is paying for everything

And that says it all .

Well...I am proud of your service and hers. As we said in my unit...AIRBORNE!!!

Airborne has balls
There are people that serve, then there are those that put it on the line, On a submarine, we had balls that clanked, it's tradition, when you read about what the sub's did in WW2, that was what I wanted to do, still one major part of my life. When my daughter sent me pictures of her going thru shellback, I cried. She's tougher than a lot of men I know!
Anyone that serves in the service is a better person for it, you can knock what their rank is or what branch they went into, but only if you served, otherwise, SHUT THE FUCK UP!
My rank when I got out was STS3(SS), and no, no good conduct medal! LOL

PS, on my boat we said
There are only two kinds of ships
Submarines and Targets!