If we can do this now how long before Models and Actors are obsolete ?

[F-U-Jimmy]

Built in Lightwave 9.5

[joefriday]

Holy fuckin christ , now that is life like , wow , I'm blown away.

[Iron Fist]

Good luck... probably took way more time than having some hottie actually stand there and get her pic taken.

[baddog]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Good luck... probably took way more time than having some hottie actually stand there and get her pic taken.

But factor in the cost and the missed appointments.

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by sharphead

Good luck... probably took way more time than having some hottie actually stand there and get her pic taken.

Of course it did but once you have the file all you need do is animate it and if you need her to come back to do a different shoot no model fees plus she never ages

[bronco67]

I'm working on this very type of thing....

I don't think it will ever replace the real thing, but people can get turned on by stick figure drawings, if done right.

[Joe King]

I wish someone would "Lightwave" those lips around my cock.
.
.

[Jon Oso]

no AIM testing, no 2257 docs, no kill-fees, no wasted days due to male talent failing, and everyone will take 50 black dicks in the butt.

sweet.

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm working on this very type of thing....

I don't think it will ever replace the real thing, but people can get turned on by stick figure drawings, if done right.

You must agree she looks way better than a stick figure and im sure many people would think that was Jolie if i had not explained it was made in Lightwave ?

[F-U-Jimmy]

Originally Posted by Jon Oso

no AIM testing, no 2257 docs, no kill-fees, no wasted days due to male talent failing, and everyone will take 50 black dicks in the butt.

sweet.

Like the way you think

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

You must agree she looks way better than a stick figure and im sure many people would think that was Jolie if i had not explained it was made in Lightwave ?

You're right...most people wouldn't know. But there's stuff that looks even realer than that. Problem is, the people with the talent to achieve that ultra realism are working for mainstream Hollywood, not porn.

[JD]

initial cost might be higher, but once she's done, you can do 500 scenes with her with no more cash out the door... Only problem with it though... imo... is people will get VERY carried away with it and it'll be like watching a "real" hentai flick :X

[AdultHardcore]

That is cool!!

[kane]

While that is impressive I don't know that stuff like that will ever fully fly. The reason is that while it looks amazing, it lacks soul. I don't mean that in a religious way, just in a way that there is no life to stuff like that. Sure, one picture can look amazing, the hard part is the video. The reason many movies work (especially dramas and comedies) is that you connect with the characters. If it is not 100% real it will seem fake and it is very hard to connect to something fake. There are always exceptions to the rule ( like a lot of the Pixar movies have cartoons you connect with and some movies have CG characters you enjoy and connect with), but overall it will be very difficult to make something completely CG that seems so real you could connect with it time and time again.

The same can be said for porn. Good porn is about the sound and the facial expressions and sweat and movement. It makes you feel like you are there or you connect with the people in it and get turned on. It will pretty hard to duplicate that type of thing. It is also about the fantasy of being with the girl in it. I can watch Jenna Haze and get turned on because I can have the fantasy of hooking up with her. If I knew she was CG - no matter how good it was - then that fantasy is dead.

I think of it like this. It is the difference between having sex with something like a blow up doll or a fleshlight and having sex with a real woman. The toy might feel good and get the job done, but it is pale in comparison.

Still, that is cool picture and whoever did it is very talented.

[mikeyddddd]

Originally Posted by bronco67

I'm working on this very type of thing....

I don't think it will ever replace the real thing, but people can get turned on by stick figure drawings, if done right.

abso-fucking-lutely

[Raf1]

that picture is very nicely done. Amazing work

[RadicalSights]

Do you have any idea how much doing something like that would cost?

You could pay up to $10,000 for one high quality model fully textured, rigged, motion capture animated.

High end 3D is not cheap. That's why video games cost millions to produce. The art is ridiculuosly expensive to make.

[quantum-x]

[justinsain]

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

You must agree she looks way better than a stick figure and im sure many people would think that was Jolie if i had not explained it was made in Lightwave ?

That is meant to be Jolie so what's the difference whether it's done with a camera, paint brush on canvas or using Lightwave 9.5 on a computer. Each method has the same purpose and that is to reproduce a likeness of the original which in this case is a model and actor.

With that said, this is amazing and I can't wait to see that much realism in video games and I'm sure it will be cool in a few feature films but I think people still desire real over fake people and people that are fake.

The reason why celebrity gossip is so big is people want to know and identify with real celebrities. If you make a poll on here asking " real or fake tits " the majority will say they prefer real tits. People just prefer real over fake.

So to answer your question I don't think this will replace all models and actors but it might change the way they work. The day it does is the day mankind has lost touch with it's self and reality.

[The Duck]

[GetSCORECash]

Originally Posted by justinsain

So to answer your question I don't think this will replace all models and actors but it might change the way they work. The day it does is the day mankind has lost touch with it's self and reality.

It's not going to replace actors, as the studios will need someone to base the characters on, but the actors don't ever have to age. It's all going to be about voice-overs, not how the actor actually looks.

[Vicious_B]

Its amazing technology but I have to admit there is the potential for abuse.

[Yo Adrian]

Damn that's realistic! Incredible work.

[Scott McD]

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

Hotter than the real deal tbh.

[Deesnuts]

wow amazin

[tranza]

I would say 5 years...

[MakingItPay]

That is beautiful. However, as I can attest, it doesn't have to be that lifelike to be effective. If you can laugh at the family guy and southpark you can get off to cartoon pron. see: THRILLBUCK$

[Vicious_B]

Does anyone think that this could be abused by people using it to create what would be illegal with real people?

[Machete_]

it will never happen. The human relation is missing, and the general public will not replace it with the real thing. Its like saying people would stop fucking because you can get a fleshlight that feels real.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

Does anyone think that this could be abused by people using it to create what would be illegal with real people?

Already seen people doing that... since forever. Violence and otherwise illegal acts, such as Age and specie related crimes

[PornHero]

Originally Posted by F-U-Jimmy

Like the way you think

Looks awesome but if you want to REALLY impress us lightwave a nice sticky cumshot right across the bridge of her nose now that I would pay to see.

[Vicious_B]

Originally Posted by KrisH

Already seen people doing that... since forever. Violence and otherwise illegal acts, such as Age and specie related crimes

But that is with animation right? The way more realistic aspect of this would be a whole other level. I just wonder if legally they could use the fact that its not "real" as a loophole.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

But that is with animation right? The way more realistic aspect of this would be a whole other level. I just wonder if legally they could use the fact that its not "real" as a loophole.

They cant. (in most countries at least)

seen under**ed, beast and murder 3d work that was to realistic, and portrying those things in any form (2d, 3d or whatever format) can get you in trouble

[ShellyCrash]

No!!! Not her old nose! You animals!

[lyno]

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

Does anyone think that this could be abused by people using it to create what would be illegal with real people?

Isn't it the same with movies? I mean, Hollywood does so all the time.
Take the Hannibal Lecter movies as example. It's ok when Hannibal
does it in a movie but when i play around with the idea it's a thought crime?



On topic: I think it's unavoidable but still a very long way. Nothing that will happen within
a few years. Realistic stills are one thing, realistic movements (skin, muscles, hair, facial
expression.... ) something very different and there still is the Uncanny Valley.
Ok, i don't think real actors will become obsolete but they will have to coexist with virtual stars.

[bronco67]

Here's some tests from my "human" project. Mine's going to involve some crazy shit that can't be done in real video. I don't see the point of making CG animated porn, if it's just stuff that could be shot in real life.

[Rochard]

Originally Posted by KrisH

it will never happen. The human relation is missing, and the general public will not replace it with the real thing. Its like saying people would stop fucking because you can get a fleshlight that feels real.

It's already happening. Half the shit you see in movies is computer generated these days anyhow. I see a time where this will become so life like that no one will be able to tell the difference.

[lyno]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Here's some tests from my "human" project. Mine's going to involve some crazy shit that can't be done in real video. I don't see the point of making CG animated porn, if it's just stuff that could be shot in real life.

Love that transpiring texture, looks great. Did you create it yourself? What raytracer did
you use for that pics? Subsurface scattering?

"I don't see the point of making CG animated porn, if it's just stuff that could be shot in
real life"

What is the topic of your project? (or is it a secret?)

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by lyno

Love that transpiring texture, looks great. Did you create it yourself? What raytracer did
you use for that pics? Subsurface scattering?

"I don't see the point of making CG animated porn, if it's just stuff that could be shot in
real life"

What is the topic of your project? (or is it a secret?)

Not a total secret, or anything, but I don't talk about it much(for dumb superstitious reasons). It's sci-fi themed, and involves about 20 hotties gangbanging this guy in a mech suit, on a space-station. If all goes as planned, it'll be HD and in 3d(glasses), and have animation at the same level as Hollywood releases.

I was using Mental Ray for rendering up until a few weeks ago, but have been using Modo(these shots) and love the speed boost, and crispness of the renders.

[sandman!]

give it a few more years..

[Loki]

this thread is relative to my interests BUT I don't have the time to fully expound right now... I will be back shortly!

-Loki-

[Davy]

Originally Posted by kane

While that is impressive I don't know that stuff like that will ever fully fly. The reason is that while it looks amazing, it lacks soul.

And you think with the amount of objectification that we have already in porn, it would matter to the men?

3D porn sure will be huge in a couple of years.

[Machete_]

Originally Posted by Rochard

Half the shit you see in movies is computer generated these days anyhow.

yes - half the SHIT

I know what can be done (I even helped write a book about Combustion2), but I will still claim that it wont happen, because like with every "sale", the human relation is what makes the difference.

It's like with the fleshlight. Even if it felt absolutely perfect, it would still not be the same as fucking for real.

It will always be artificial, and therefor a secondary substitute

[lyno]

Originally Posted by bronco67

Not a total secret, or anything, but I don't talk about it much(for dumb superstitious reasons). It's sci-fi themed, and involves about 20 hotties gangbanging this guy in a mech suit, on a space-station. If all goes as planned, it'll be HD and in 3d(glasses), and have animation at the same level as Hollywood releases.

I was using Mental Ray for rendering up until a few weeks ago, but have been using Modo(these shots) and love the speed boost, and crispness of the renders.

Wow, talk about a ambitious project. Hope you got a high-octane render farm
At the moment my ambitions end with a visual novel i am working at.

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by lyno

Wow, talk about a ambitious project. Hope you got a high-octane render farm
At the moment my ambitions end with a visual novel i am working at.

Right now I have 6 superfast i7 Intel rigs, but with Modo rendering 5 times the speed of mental Ray(even in HD) -- that's even better.

[Loki]

Ok, now that I have some time to fully post here lol.....

3D Toon Porn is NOTHING NEW, I know some of you know this already, but more do not realize it.

There have been successful sites online since 2001 (or before lol) one of the very first 3D Sites out there was http://crazyxxx3dworld.com (first indexed Mar 01, 2001) Now I HATE to use them as an example for a few reasons, the main being some of their content but at any rate they were the first paysite build "around" 3D Porn
(I use "Built Around" because at first they offered a mix of 3D and Real content)

At any rate, every year since the first 3D Porn set was created the quality and methods of creating the content have gotten better and better, years and years ago 3D models could only support textures that were 640 X 480 and thus the quality fucking sucked!

Now in 2009 I have models that can take textures that are 5000 X 5000 and higher and that produces the type of stuff seen in this thread.

As our computers get better, so does the software, and likewise so does the graphics we can create with said items.

Originally Posted by shaphead

Good luck... probably took way more time than having some hottie actually stand there and get her pic taken.

The entire render process IS time heavy HOWEVER there are MANY pros vs cons to using this type of medium, as already stated in this thread, 2257 docs, model fees, and every other staple of shooting live content does NOT play into animated content.

Add in the fact that MOST people who can create this type of content are using multiple machines to counter the time involved to produce the content. I myself have 6 machines in my studio (and will be adding more as I get more space lol)

Originally Posted by F U Jimmy

You must agree she looks way better than a stick figure and im sure many people would think that was Jolie if i had not explained it was made in Lightwave ?

Funny enough when the movie Beowulf came out in 2007 (almost three years ago) some people who were not aware that the movie was made entirely in CGI DID THINK IT WAS REAL lmao, and like I said, that was almost 3 years ago now.

Originally Posted by RadicalSights

Do you have any idea how much doing something like that would cost?

You could pay up to $10,000 for one high quality model fully textured, rigged, motion capture animated.

High end 3D is not cheap. That's why video games cost millions to produce. The art is ridiculuosly expensive to make.

I will argue with this, it's NOT that high end content is expensive to make, it's the fact that people CHARGE what they are charging.... there is really NO REASON FOR THIS!

Case in point, when I started in 3D (as one of the co-founders of the niche) back in 99, a SINGLE 3D image would sell for..... $5.00 that's right FIVE BUCKS for an image that in all honesty SUCKED (but was good for the time I guess) these days the quality alone has FAR surpassed it's 1999 content and the prices have dropped...

I myself charge $500.00 for a package of 30 photo sets containing normally 900 images, that's over $4,000 lower then what it would cost back in 1999 lol

There are others out there who create content and they do in fact charge 10 - 20X more then what I charge, and there is really no reason except for pure greed.

Assuming that everyone that creates content is actually buying their plug-ins then yes we do have an overhead to work with, I myself have between $20k - $40k wrapped up in software and plug-ins from the past 10 years, but I still keep my prices "low" and for me, it has all worked out well.

I'm not saying that other artists are "ripping people off" I just don't understand why their prices are so damn high lol.

Originally Posted by 12clicksMichele

Does anyone think that this could be abused by people using it to create what would be illegal with real people?

As stated already in this thread, that has already been happening since the start, for example the site I named in the start of this post they have "questionable" content in regards to age, violence etc.

Now the funny thing is, unlike what was said in this thread by KrisH, it really CAN'T get you into trouble in the end, back in 2003 (I believe) a case went all the way to the US Supreme Court that ended with (and I paraphrase)

"Because it is NOT real, and Real people were NOT used to create it, it is "ART" and protected by the 1st amendment"

Now, with that said, companies have stepped up and made their own rules about what IS and is NOT legal within the toon world, CCBILL has "banned" any content they "FEEL" to be "bestiality" this is kind of funny cause according to them, a chick with wings falls into this category.

I myself have always just toed the line so to speak with my content, I looked at it like it was 'real porn' and IF it would not fly with real porn I would not do it in 3D, so far so good with that lol.

Originally Posted by Lyno

On topic: I think it's unavoidable but still a very long way. Nothing that will happen within a few years. Realistic stills are one thing, realistic movements (skin, muscles, hair, facial expression.... ) something very different and there still is the Uncanny Valley. Ok, i don't think real actors will become obsolete but they will have to coexist with virtual stars.

Lyno first off, I miss you bro secondly are you forgetting about Beowulf? that movie had it all really, and oddly enough it took about as long as a "real" movie to produce from start to finish lol.

I think it's all a matter of HOW it is done, if we hire actors and actresses and put them in mocap suits, throw them in a greenscreen room and capture it then yeah we could do this all day long AND we could do it NOW!

I remember years ago when I told people that Disney was scrapping their animation dept and going to make NOTHING but CGI movies, this was AFTER they announced it publicly and people STILL said I was batshit lol.

WILL cgi "REPLACE" humans NO! but you are 100% correct that within the next few years humans will co-exsist with CGI models in movies.

Originally Posted by bronco67

I don't see the point of making CG animated porn, if it's just stuff that could be shot in real life.

First off, I really dig your work, and I think you got some major talent, BUT (saw it coming right?) I think you MAY be missing the actual draw (no pun intended) of CGI....

The whole point of CGI (3D Toons) is that you CAN create ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, the only limit is the artists imagination, you and I can sit back with our computers and our software and we can literally create the perfect human (man or women) we then can make them do ANYTHING, that sort of thing is just not possible in the real world WITHOUT a never ending bank account...

You take the PREFECT, FLAWLESS women, and have her getting fucked by.... ahh lets say a perfect man, for Hollywood to do that it takes a lot of money hands down, and then it's gotta be tamed down for the silver screen, so in the end we don't have an actual 'sex scene' we have a "love scene"

Now take it to the porn industry, first FIND those "perfect people" then see what their prices will be lol, then add in testing, legal, production, location, etc etc etc etc and what do you have?

With CGI we can do anything and everything, and it doesn't cost all that much really.

have them fuck ANYWHERE, defy the laws of nature, defy the laws of science do whatever wherever and whenever.

(lets wrap this all up nice and neat lol)

This market, this 3D Toon / CGI or whatever you wish to call it, has been growing since it's creation over 10 years ago, the industry itself has made great strides, many companies have opened and thrived quite nicely over these years.

There are NO LIMITS to what can be done, or what will be done in the future..... EXCEPT those limits that are created by companies NOT furthering the market by creating their own piece of the 3D puzzle, the more people get into this, the more it will grow, the more the tech will grow, the more the quality will grow, etc etc etc.

It is more cost effective to launch a 3D Toon site then it is to launch a human counterpart site, and there IS a market for this stuff, otherwise it would not have lasted a decade, there would not be more and more sites popping up if there was not money here.

Like I already said, I don't see this replacing real porn, (and I've ALWAYS said that) but I do see (as I've said SINCE 2001) that this type of content WILL stand along side it's real counterpart, and hold it's own.

-Loki- "The Godfather Of 3D Porn" ~ AVN 2004

Owner/Producer
http://www.LokiPorn.com

[Loki]

PS, I do have a hell of allot more to say about this subject BUT I will hold my tongue and answer any question you all might have

-Loki-

[themadwriter]

Hot not matter how you look at it!

[bronco67]

Originally Posted by vdc-Loki

Ok, now that I have some time to fully post here lol.....


The whole point of CGI (3D Toons) is that you CAN create ANYTHING and EVERYTHING, the only limit is the artists imagination, you and I can sit back with our computers and our software and we can literally create the perfect human (man or women) we then can make them do ANYTHING, that sort of thing is just not possible in the real world WITHOUT a never ending bank account...

You take the PREFECT, FLAWLESS women, and have her getting fucked by.... ahh lets say a perfect man, for Hollywood to do that it takes a lot of money hands down, and then it's gotta be tamed down for the silver screen, so in the end we don't have an actual 'sex scene' we have a "love scene"

Now take it to the porn industry, first FIND those "perfect people" then see what their prices will be lol, then add in testing, legal, production, location, etc etc etc etc and what do you have?

With CGI we can do anything and everything, and it doesn't cost all that much really.

have them fuck ANYWHERE, defy the laws of nature, defy the laws of science do whatever wherever and whenever.

That's exactly what I meant. What I was saying is that I don't see the point of making CG porn ----if it just involves straight vanilla fucking between a man and a woman. That can be done in real life, and is done over and over again(most of it boring).

The project I'm working on involves robots, anti-gravity stuff and whatever sick stuff I can come up with.

Thanks for the compliment.

[TheDoc]

Best cgi movie of all time.... parts are so realistic that you forget you're watching an animation.




I'm pretty sure nobody in our Industry could afford to do this, but give it another 10 years...