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Well, I can speak a bit Russian and I was watching both sides news too. I know that my home country Poland has very fucked up government too which is personally very sad for me. And I know that they all have their mouths full of shit...Very good job, Sherlock! Yes, I was born in the USSR and I'm 100% Russian.
There is nothing to believe or not to believe. There are facts. Georgian army has attacked Russian peacekeepers and this is not a secret (it was officially admitted by all sides including Georgia).
Thank you very much Sir!!! This is all I needed in my life!
Now I tell you one small secret, my little friend. Every country has its own propaganda (Russia, USA, China, Colombia ect) and only complete morons can believe that their government doesn't fuck their brains. Congrats with that!
BTW, unlike you, I can read/watch the news on both Russian and English w/o any problems. Besides Russian propaganda TV, I'm watching FOX, CNN and EuroNews propaganda channels here in Russia, so I can see both sides of the burger. You - can't.
So please be so kind and stop telling me the things I know much better than you just because I can read/watch the news from both sides.
Exactly. This is what I posted a link to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV9Bqi8r1Ko
Anyway, somehow, I knew that you gonna to react this way. Take it easy. Everyone has the right to have his own personal opinion and thoughts, right?
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I can speak a bit German, Italian, Spanish and a few other languages. So what?
As I said, every government/religion consider their citizens/adepts like a flock of sheep.
I never said anything else. Yes, everyone has a right to have it's own opinion. This is why sites like http://inosmi.ru/ (VERY popular in Russia) do Russian translations of foreign press for everyone who can't read the originals. Furthermore, the news channels like EuroNews are being re-translated by free federal television with Russian translation for everyone who don't know English. Russia is no the USSR and there is no problem with getting the information form "the other side".Obey the CowgodComment
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The crisis go far further than just the "cops", I had at least 2 clients the last months that ask me to withhold payments for them since the ATM machines is out of dollars (appears you can withdraw both dollars and Ukrainian money there)I buy plugs
Skype: Due_Global
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Now read without the word dog.Comment
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I think it'll get swept back up into the USSR.
If we learned anything from history, economic collapses on a global scale only encourage communist movements.
Truman doctrine prevented that the last time, but we don't seem to have the money to prevent a relapse.
National health care plans would merely shatter the image that the US has portrayed for so many years, that capitalism works.Comment
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Read this:Yeah... your words make it clear and obvious for me that you come from Russia... only Russians believe that ...but I don't blame you. It's all Russian government propaganda. It's hard to believe different when all around including tv stations, radio tell you the same, their own "truth".
Source: Straight.com, CanadaGwynne Dyer: Georgia's attack on Russia in 2008 lets NATO off hook
By Gwynne Dyer
A year ago this week, Georgia attacked Russia. It was like Jamaica attacking the United States. It was such a foolish and foredoomed act that at first, most people believed Georgian propaganda blaming it all on the Russians.
Surely, Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili wouldn?t do something so utterly stupid. But he did?and he lost, of course.
There are two hangovers from the week-long war that still have not cleared up, however. One is the lingering impression in the West, left over from the way that Western media reported the conflict at the time, that the ?Russian bear? has turned nasty and expansionist. The other is a promise to Georgia that should never have been made.
In the year since the war, it has become clear that the Georgian attack, which sought to regain control of the breakaway territory of South Ossetia, was planned well in advance. The Russians only responded after their peacekeeping troops in South Ossetia came under Georgian attack, but the Georgians won the propaganda battle.
Saakashvili painted the Russians as evil aggressors, relying on Cold War stereotypes: ?Russia's war on Georgia echoes events in Finland in 1939, Hungary in 1956 and Czechoslovakia in 1968,? he told the Washington Post in August, 2008. It fit Western preconceptions, so the media went along with it.
So did U.S. presidential candidate John McCain, condemning Russia?s ?violent aggression? and claiming that ?Russian actions, in clear violation of international law, have no place in 21st century Europe.?
Barack Obama was more circumspect. But in the midst of an election campaign, he chose not to expose his flank to the Cold Warriors of the Republican Party by openly challenging their version of events.
The other problem, from a European perspective, was U.S. president George W. Bush?s push to get Georgia and another former Soviet republic, Ukraine, admitted to the NATO alliance. These countries are to the south of Russia, not between it and Western Europe.
Bringing them into the Western alliance would alarm and alienate the Russians. Yet there is no practical way that NATO could defend them if they got into a fight with the Russians.
Indeed, this concern may have been the main motive behind the creation of a European Union commission to investigate the origins of the war. The commission is led by Swiss diplomat Heidi Tagliavini, who has served in the area as an observer, and it has been gathering evidence for almost a year now. If its conclusions blame the war on Georgia, as seems likely, they will not be unwelcome in Brussels.
Some of those conclusions were leaked last spring to the German newsmagazine Der Spiegel, and they support the contention that Georgia deliberately concentrated its troops and launched a surprise attack on South Ossetia, with the aim of seizing control of the province before Russia could respond.
Between 16,000 and 20,000 Georgian troops, all equipped with modern U.S. weapons, attacked the South Ossetian militia and about 1,000 Russian peacekeeping troops who were stationed there on the night of August 7. Even the Georgian ?peacekeeping? battalion that was also stationed in the province took part in the attack.
The local capital, Tskhinvali, fell into Georgian hands within hours, and dozens of Russian troops were killed or injured.
Moscow responded quickly, and a large Russian force, including heavy armour, was sent south from the Russian province of North Ossetia through the tunnel under the main Caucasus range (which the Georgians had failed to secure) on August 8. In one more day Georgian troops had been driven out of South Ossetia, and the Russians even followed them some distance into Georgia proper before withdrawing again at the end of the month.
Erosi Kitsmarishvili, Georgia's former ambassador to Moscow and a former confidant of Saakashvili?s, testified to the Georgian parliament last November that Georgian officials told him in April 2008 that they planned to start a war to recover Abkhazia, one of Georgia?s two breakaway regions, and had received a green light from the United States government to do so. He said the Georgian government later decided to start the war in South Ossetia, the other region, and continue into Abkhazia.
Both the evidence of observers on the ground and the testimony of disillusioned Georgian officials like Kitsmarishvili are driving the EU commission toward the conclusion that Russia merely responded to the Georgian aggression. It will be helpful to have an authoritative Western body acknowledge that Russia has not undergone some fundamental change of strategy.
The EU commission report has been postponed until next month. It will not formally recommend against Georgia joining NATO, but the implication will also be clear. Nobody really believed that NATO would ever fight World War Three to save Georgia, even it were the innocent victim of Russian aggression, but by attacking Russia, Saakashvili got everybody off the hook.
Retired British army colonel Christopher Langton, senior fellow for conflict and defence diplomacy at the International Institute for Strategic Studies in London, summed it up only weeks after the war. "Georgia's dream is shattered, but the country can only blame itself for that."
Gwynne Dyer?s latest book, Climate Wars, was published recently in Canada by Random House.
As I told you above, I'm reading the news from both sides. So should I consider this article as Russian propaganda? Exactly one year ago I was told the same: Georgia has attacked Russian peacekeepers and Ossetiat civilians, and only after that Russia responded with a military action. Everyone here was telling me that I'm wrong and everything I say is just a KGB propaganda. Then I answered something like: "wait for a year of so and you will read the same facts in western news".Obey the CowgodComment
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cyberxxx plus 100
Ukraine sucks
Diesel, spend 10-20 thousands $$$ for "fair" judge and everything will be more than ok.Comment
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After last year's conflict Georgia vs. Russia I have lost any respect I had to western media as I have been watching news from both sides too, I was wondering why not single respectable news channel would not show Russia's side and interview some people there, but they showed Saakashvili and his delusional statements nonstop. Western media spews BS how they see fit and get their "ratings". All of media now are basically one huge National Enquirer publication (SpeedInfo in Russian analogy), nothing more.Read this:
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Source: Straight.com, Canada
As I told you above, I'm reading the news from both sides. So should I consider this article as Russian propaganda? Exactly one year ago I was told the same: Georgia has attacked Russian peacekeepers and Ossetiat civilians, and only after that Russia responded with a military action. Everyone here was telling me that I'm wrong and everything I say is just a KGB propaganda. Then I answered something like: "wait for a year of so and you will read the same facts in western news".
Worst thing US powered Georgia along with Ukraine and some other countries.Last edited by Serge Litehead; 08-20-2009, 03:07 PM.Comment

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