About 3 hours. Wish it was a bit closer because I'd like to go to ATL more often.

But yes we should meet up since we are relatively close and have known each other here quite a while.

But I have to be back here by 5:30 for my evening shift change job at McDonalds :1orglaugh

Mcdonalds? lol I work at burger king clean up at night lol Meeting would be cool.

LOL, you are very entertaining is that your best shot? Let me guess your retired military right?

Do you think you can get me on at BK? They still flame broil right?

Yeah that's why I left hardee's for that reason. I love the smell of flame broiled. listen we are looking for an extra mop guy I will put a good word in for ya.

That ain't a shot dude. That's just the truth. And no I'm not retired military. :1orglaugh

I'm the world fucking famous Bikini Voyeur dude!

BTW, I also own the "attention whore"

The royalties I receive from that alone equal more than what you pay in rogaine a year. :2 cents:

Man, I would appreciate that big time! :thumbsup

Do I get to clean the women's rest room too? :winkwink:

If you get me that gig I will be indebted to you for ever.

Hmmm...compromising ethics for money sounds like desperation of some sort. Good luck.

Thanks for everyone's patience in my response. I tuned out over the weekend for some sorely needed family time.


Like many others, you're making assumptions which are inaccurate. We don't seek this business, we never have. While many hosts are struggling, we are still experiencing exponential growth every year since inception and this year is no exception. It's a fight, but any worthwhile endeavor always is and all of us hosts are having to work smarter and harder than ever.

MojoHost has accomplished it's growth with tremendous integrity and client service. I've already said it before but it's gone unnoticed. As a percentage of revenue and "growth" this stuff is insignificant. In terms of future growth, this type of traffic isn't even in the business plan. Why do it, then? Well, again, we're not seeking clients and perhaps I should have been clearer about this.

We simply host too many tens of thousands of sites for me to not make a public statement leveling the playing field with other host competitors and setting expectations properly. It's impossible to know everything about all clients anymore. The fact that we have ended up hosting a few such sites out of many hundreds of tubes run to a high standard was enough for me to make mention of all this.

We don't need saving - comments to that effect are baseless, total nonsense. The process and laws already exist. MojoHost is a hosting company, we will always do what is prudent to the letter of the law. It is my hope that the laws mature and also that those who push their limits grow their business model to favor copyright holders and smart promotion of relevant web sites. I hold myself to a higher standard and as much as we can without creating liability, the corporate entity will continue to do the same. If we are to do business outside of the law in either direction we may then be subject to losing
the protections afforded to ISPs.

I am not seeking any different clientele than we ever have. If you have unlicensed content on any free, pay, tube, blog, forum or other site you will be subject to the DMCA.

What we're doing here isn't a response to "pressure" and I am sorry that you are disappointed. As I stated several times over, we have hardly any such business of this type. The idea that I have any such site on our network is what prompted my post. I've long since been giving every available tool to our clients to fight back with - that was the goal the whole time. Your account is already a perfect example with W servers, X bandwidth, full management, full backups, Y overage and Z total cost.

Dean, you're taking this so far that I'm quite surprised. I'm not on here bragging about anything or even soliciting for this business. You've typed thousands of words after my initial post and really everything is in your own head, you've made a ton of assumptions on all levels. As a point of fact, I have stated that a few such sites do exist on our network. Everything else is you going to the Nth degree. Do my posts sound happy and gleeful, did I ask you for a commendation? Dude, check yourself.

You're naive about DMCAs and with the tube stuff still taking it out of context. All hosts get DMCAs and they're not always correct, either. Blogs, tubes, forums, free hosted galleries - I've seen them for every type of site and many times over for people who were using them as per affiliate marketing agreements... or from user submitted stuff on forums... for domainers with their page text or domain names... from companies that have decided they want to get nasty and really end a relationship sour.

The data center isn't new at all but thank you for the congratulations, sort of. We moved here over three years ago with 200 servers and it just happens that we now have 1200. This was simply the first photo opportunity that we had within the site which was exciting for us.

Any continuation of censoring business coming in the door to the extent that I have done in the past could create added liability for MojoHost. To have the protections of an ISP, we must function like one - even if it means in some instances taking positions that are less adamant than I would like them to be.

Brad

Read right at the top, that was an *amended* form recently filed to update contact information. Incorporated since 1999, hosting since April 2002.

MojoHost is not seeking any such business. Try re-reading all of my posts and let me know if you're still confused. Don't put words in my mouth, ever.

I don't know that he'll even be back in this thread but he was quoting another studio, New Sensations, and I don't think that there is any question that the endorsement was for myself or perhaps MojoHost and not for distribution of unlicensed content.

I agree with this statement, any compromise of ethics for money would lend itself to some sort of desperation. However, your statement isn't applicable here because thats not what is transpiring.

Cheers,

Brad

This is something you should've said in your initial post, it's a very important point and could've prevented 1 or 2 people from taking things the way they did.

Brad,

I'm reading your first post:

So, what I am I missing here? What words am I putting in your mouth?

In the past you did not host tubes with unlicensed content and now you are changing that stance. (thus this post)

Tell me what your changing then. I take it as your not going to quote: "actively seek it" but you will manage it responsibly. lol

Please clarify wtf you mean then. :2 cents:

For the ignorant people like me that is, who has a hard tim comprehending BS. :helpme

Spell it out more clearly for us.

Do you mean your not actively seeking, but if some unlicensed content tube contacts you for a few servers you will now take that business? (where in the past you have not?)

That's how your post comes across.

Or maybe now I think I understand what you mean by "manage it responsibly".

Does that mean you will play the DMCA game also? Where in the past you might know for a fact that one of these tubes was exploiting DMCA so you chose not to do business with them.

But now you will just do what is required by you by dmca law and leave it at that?

An endorsement of LEGAL tube sites, yes. Illegal tube sites of course not. We have seen a great deal of webmasters be successful using tube sites to generate sales (without selling advertisement), and these are the webmasters / traffic sources we will support. As you can imagine, we as a company fight illegal tubes / torrents daily, and in no way support tubes with stolen content. I quoted him because he stated as a business man Brad runs his company in a way that is different than most. He is straight forward with everyone in the industry about what he does and is planning to do, and I respect that. Sorry if there was any confusion in our stance.

Good! :thumbsup

Just a shame that people think that giving away pages and pages of 5 minute long sponsor-provided licensed clips is a good way to get people to buy. In my mind, it's a good way to get people to jack off for free. I know it's in reaction to the illegal tubes, but still. Just my :2 cents:

100% agree with you, which is why we only offer 2 min clips as our maximum length. :thumbsup

so does this mean our hosting prices are coming down?

Eventually, there will likely be a some reasonable point of saturation with the same set of unrelated dating and cam sponsors. If that ever happens, tube operators of all varieties will discover that the logical thing to do and require significantly more effort is to actually negotiate with the content producers and promote related premium sites. Most of these sites are so damned dumb that even if you found something you liked and wanted to see more of it since they're wiped the watermark and never have a link out you wouldn't even know where to go to buy more. Totally flawed.

The base costs for support, space, power and other items are largely unchanged or increasing annually, however, yes - the price of bandwidth has changed and I have been passing along additional megabits and discounts all year as I have seen appropriate. If you would like to discuss and have me evaluate if we can be doing more for you, please contact me off the boards.

Cheers,

Brad

Its either you come out and tell people your business plan and get flamed or keep it on the down low and get flamed 10x more for not telling anyone.

Either case its your business and you can do what you want. no matter what you do or say, you will always have people on both sides of the fence defining what is "ethical" and what is not. If people have a problem with it, let them open up a competing company and try to take your business, but I doubt that will happen.

I've met you once or twice at other shows and you seem like a stand up guy, but this is not a battle that you could of won by yourself. At the end of the day it comes down to you run a hosting company, so do what you need to do to keep that business growing. I bet that at least 80% of the people that responded to your post have skeletons in their closet but will never bring them out.

i agree tubes are here to stay.

adapt or die.

:2 cents::2 cents::2 cents: