Because they forgot to cancel? Because some people 'didn't read' that it rebills.

How is that any different than they forgot to read about the xsale?

Unless they are on a Merchant account... Websites taking xsales go through approval. They have to meet standards, stronger CB/refund levels and have a 'track history of sales.'

I think some people confuse pre-checked xsales and people scamming surfers any way they can.

If you can't figure this out just on basic common sense, I don't know what to tell you, but I will say that you can much easier correct a mistake and get a refund from a site that rebills than one that cross sales, not that every site who cross sales is guilty of what I just said.

Ive cancalled things and had them rebill for months afterward, cancelling usually doesnt mean shit lol

Why don't you start selling perscription drugs that make your balls explode and tell people they didn't read the fine print?

Just curious. It's business.

I'm speaking in general and I'm not trying to start a church.

By the way, why are you paying for shit when your sponser should give you free access if you're promoting him properly?

I am happy to hear that you are not signed up for a single PPS program.

I know of a few extremely popular sites that only offer revshare and still cannot retain a member past two months.

I also know of a few extremely popular sites that retain a high enough percentage to make sense, but PPS still works out for the better by a few dollars over the life of the average member.

You have to evaluate PPS vs. RevShare by program. Sometimes one makes more sense than the other. That is true with subscription sites, cam sites and dating sites.

Then, of course, you have to factor your own traffic into the equation. Some sites get better traffic, some worse and if you study the numbers hard enough, you'll figure out which is what and it should all be a wash out in the end.

For instance...with dating, on my blog, revshare makes sense, on my tube, pay-per-free profile makes sense. In the end, they balance out and everybody is happy.

Don't go with the status quo.

Having said that, like my original post said, it's better for surfers to do away with cross sales, but it can hurt the affiliates bottom line. The affiliate will be around longer though if the surfers can trust the programs in the first place.

Whatever it is I do, most people think it's wrong. :upsidedow



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It's not cross sales,

it's purchase enhancement

Because that would be illegal, I would go to jail for it. The FTC/DOJ and DEA would crawl up my ass then it would be Bubba's turn.

xSales, aren't illegal. And fine print when the total words on the join form are 20, I don't really think that's an issue.

Why not stop trials, xsales, upsells, cross sales, one clicks, emails at that, actually. Lets stop doing anything that others don't like and only start doing what others approve of.

That's a great thing for business... let's all do it the same!

Someone made a huge mistake inviting FTC.

people are basically asking "how far can I go"
He is stating that the adult is not really on their list and people say "it's a growing problem"

Guess what industry just made it to the FTC watchlist :2 cents:

Once again, I'm not saying to stop anything. And I'm less afraid of bubba than you. I'm just calling a duck a duck. You can fancy it up like that ponzi scheme guy but you'll still get what's coming to you if you are doing things that aren't what you think.

On the other hand if you can show me a way to make 5 grand in one hour I'll take the risk. I just know what I'm doing when I do it and don't try to delude myself

Oh, so the real point is... your morals don't align thus you think it's wrong or your totally stupid, one of the two.

You may want to look up the definition of a ponzi scheme is.

If I was pullin 5k an hour .............. I wouldn't be here :)

At least one thing is clear

On a side note, Warren Buffet had an interesting quote the other night on MSNBC. He was talking about this current economic situation. He was saying, if he was in a boat with Bernie Madoff and the hole in the boat was on his side of the boat, he would not be pointing and laughing. You have to get out of the crisis together regardless of who's in the boat.

*ponders*

Aye, I'm not the biggest of all affiliates in porn, that's for sure. My biggest combined day 'in porn' is just short of 15k.

That's a great man with long term thinking. We have a serious deficit in that skill in our industry.

True dat.

The day the cross sales go away and the market corrects on payouts will be the dawn of a new beginning.. and like any other cataclysmic change, the end of days for some.

Brad

Agreed.

It will be the death toll for a number of programs, and a lot of affiliates.

I can only hope this comes to pass. What will assholes like this guy do
http://www.amateurcleavage.com/gfy/12dicks.gif
when they can't make millions by hiding a charge for their site on someone else's join page?

I guess he'll have more time to spend on GFY calling people names.

The situation with this business is the same people buy porn, week after week or month after month. Yet we treat them like one off buyers who can always be replaced. Welcome to the results of thinking ME,ME, ME for years. Many buyers have turned their backs on us.

If we play by the rules, we don't get hurt....