the government does for the people what they can't do for themselves, the few bad eggs claiming their rights to spread disease could ruin it for all.

everyone has to get vaccinated or these diseases will continue for thousands of years

and the government does forcefully give injections to people all the time, so stop dreaming

Your Vaccines and Autism post suggested there is a direct correlation between the shots and the condition, I was merely pointing out that if that is speculation the consequences of not having the shots aren't :2 cents:

Which shots would you exclude:

Diphtheria?
Hepatitis?
Human Papillomavirus (HPV)?
Lyme Disease?
Measles?
Meningococcal disease
Whooping Cough?
Polio?
Rabies?
Rubella?
Smallpox?
Tetanus?
Typhoid Fever?
Chickenpox?
Yellow Fever?

Most of the diseases that you have listed are not mandatory vaccines at all, and most people no longer get them. Some of them don't even have vaccines. If smallpox broke out right now for example, we would all be fucked, as that mandatory vaccine ended many years ago.

US is fully stocked up on Smallpox vaccines since 2001, one vaccine for every person in the United States.

Didn't say people still get them, just asked which one is bad for you?

Anyway we are going in circles now, you seem to be going against what you were initially saying.

sticky, anyone on this board can see you have many irrational fears. Are there some dangers associated with vaccines, yeah but typically the benefits outweight the risks. It must suck to live in such a paranoid state of mind all the time.

It's funny how keyboard warriors get up in arms about things in their virtual lives but never do anything in real life.

I guess it's easier to spew hate than actually do anything.

No proof GMOs are bad either right.. dozens of studies says it's good... Enjoy then :thumbsup

Oh, and anyone who is for forced medication or vaccination is a naive idiot

Super Sheep Sermon



https://youtube.com/watch?v=dK8sOrYVohE

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Well the OP can think and do what he likes, but I for one will not allow something to be injected into my body by force. There are some vaccinations that are useful and some that are not.

Many of the medications people are on today are totally unnecessary. Why? Profit margin. Many doctors simply treat the SYMPTOMS of an illness rather than treat the cause of the illness. Example... You go in for a flu or cold or belly ache. They give you something to reduce fever or settle your stomach or stop your runny nose. What they didn't do is treat whatever caused them.

As for antibiotics? They have there place and need but it is FACT that you rely on foreign antibodies your own immune system doesn't have to try as hard and over time becomes weaker and less effective in fighting off illness. I NEVER go to the doctor, even if I am sick or with the sniffles. Why? Because my body fights it off just fine and I am rarely sick. The last time I went to the doctor for illness was maybe 8 years ago, maybe longer.

And maybe do some educating of yourself before saying people wary of vaccinations are nutters. Let us use your case of the polio vaccine shall we...

When polio vaccines were first given in mass to the public in the mid to late 50's it had this little substance in it called SV40. What is that? Simian virus 40. Why was it in there? Because they used kidney cells from monkeys to amplify the vaccine virus during production.

So what was the fall out from this colossal blunder? Health officials discovered that the SV40 caused malignant tumors in lab animals and they ordered the virus eliminated from all future vaccines. But by then as many as 30 million Americans had been given injections of the SV40-tainted polio vaccine, which was first licensed in 1955.

Makes you wonder how many people contracted cancer from this fuck up?

So yeah, your damn right I don't want untested bullshit injected into my body.

What a surprise, another idiot labeling people who question things as "nutters."

I bet the OP blindly trusts anyone with authority.

Almost all vaccines...if not all...kills/harms...a percentage of those vaccinated...but saves many more lives than they take. Many vaccines are already mandated.

Lucky Hitler never thought about labeling all the jews, causing a fake health scare, then ordering all people to go to places where the military will inject them with a vaccine. Hitler could have killed every single jew in germany one week using just that strategy.

ok its full hahahaha!!

vaccines are a wonder cure, one of the best breakthroughs in medicine. if there was a treatment that cured polio after you got it, and you got polio you'd all be racing to the doctors asking for the cure, but getting the cure BEFORE you get the disease and you don't do it. I'd rather not get the disease at all.

I agree, in most cases an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Of course the development and distribution of the polio vaccine was funded by The March Of Dimes, not a large pharmaceutical company, so there is always some room for skepticism.

Im FAR from a conspiracy nut, but damn you blind sheep ready to take a needle just cause someone says you need it are utter idiots. They start forced injections and you will see some shit go down.

Sorry no way I would be forced to get an injection. Amazing.

You already have been forced...or you did not attend school...which is it?

Do your professors in med school tell you to give a patient a pill for every ache or issue? Just wondering since that is what every doctor does these days. Studies are not always accurate and we live in a world where SSRI's are taken like candy. :2 cents:

Two different things, and you can actually get a waiver claiming religious rights to not get a vaccine for your children. This is a different thing they are talking about doing.

Too long to copy and paste, but trust me, you guys will love this one...

http://blacklistednews.com/news-5065-0-5-5--.html

One way to combat the truths behind a conspiracy theory is to add totally insane shit to the story, until it begins to sound completely ridiculous.

Not really. Kids are required to get certain vaccinations when they are born, etc. You want to opt out of this? Is this the issue? Or do you think they are going to start injecting you with some kind of mind control serum? What kind of 'forced vaccinations' are you anticipating?

I have always been paranoid about vaccinations. I have no other theories or alien conspiracies or ANYTHING else. My only thing is vaccines.

The government will NEVER touch me with a needle. Never.

I understand stickyfingerz feeling and desire to assert his freedom as an American citizen. As a general rule, I'm not for allowing anybody to force me to put chemicals in my body if I don't believe there is good reason.

I don't know all of the circumstances behind the appearance of this particular flu bug that has newly surfaced and is making the rounds. The biggest problem people face with this is the credibility issue. We feel manipulated by the auto industry, the petroleum industry, the banking industry and now conveniently we have a new flu and several pharmaceutical companies that certainly stand to make large profits from vaccinations and medications used to treat it.

Added to that is the fact that polio and smallpox were around for years, allowing vaccines to be researched and tested over a broad period of time. This flu just got here thus any vaccine will be developed and administered quickly, leaving doubt in people's minds about safety and side effects.

The problem is that we cannot be certain that this will be as serious in nature as previous pandemic flu's have been.

What's amazing is people's irrational fear of injections, disregard for public health, and apathy about getting seriously ill. So I'm a sheep for living in a city, using the internet, using a toilet, washing with soap, driving a car, all these things most people do they must be sheep.

Put yourself in the governments position. You can
a/ give people the right to refuse medication and diseases will sweep the city, millions will die
b/ make vaccinations for everyone, the best way to wipe out disease

Who in their right mind would want to live in disease? Like hundreds of years ago with people pulling carts yelling "Bring out yer dead!". Because we'd still be living like that if it wasn't for vaccines.

Quite the opposite, actually.

Few physicians support prescriptions for "every ache and issue". Overprescription is generally seen as a very bad thing - especially in the case of antibiotics, where it has become an actual danger to public health by creating resistant strains of bacteria.

With SSRIs specifically, there is the problem that a patient who believes he needs a specific drug (because of drug advertising or word of mouth) may overstate or (unintentionally) misrepresent symptoms. It's a problem that is exacerbated by people googling specific disorders, since people may think "yeah, I might have this" when reading about symptoms of those disorders, even if they didn't consider the "symptoms" they have to be a problem beforehand.

That creates some major diagnostical problems, since with mood and personality disorders, what the patient tells forms the basis for the diagnosis. And if the patient has already focused on what he (unconsciously) considers to be "relevant" and "important", it distorts the diagnostic process. Personally, I think it quite likely that merely reading the Wikipedia entry for "major depressive disorder" by a patient increases chances of a diagnosis of major depressive disorder in that patient by a significant margin.

Perhaps an even better example would be Oprah. Have Oprah do an item on a disorder with somewhat vague symptoms and an extremely low rate of occurrence, and you'll inevitably see many thousands of people visiting their GP with symptoms exactly matching that disorder. (it would make for an interesting experiment: have Oprah do an item on a non-existent disorder, maybe with certain mutually exclusive symptoms, and see how many people come to their GP thinking they have it)

Chances of this flu being as serious as some of the worst previous ones are pretty low.

But if it does follow the pattern of, say, the 1918 Spanish flu, then it could easily kill half a billion people. And while this probably isn't "the one", it's all but certain that a pandemic like that will happen again. The problem is that by the time you're certain, it will already be too late.

Call me cynical, but I don't think the anti-vaccination crowd will say "we made our choice, now we have to deal with it" when that happens :2 cents:

(for the record, though: this thread was actually more about the anti-vaccination crowd in general, specifically the people who oppose the MMR and HPV vaccines)