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  • SleazyDream
    I'm here for SPORT
    • Jul 2001
    • 41470
    #1

    Possible legal solution to tube problem, micro not macro......

    So I was thinking, 40,000,000 lawsuit, big lawyers, big expense, huge time, yada yada yada.

    What about small claims court. Limits vary from area to area but suing for say $10,000 in losses and unpaid fees to use a particular content set isn't unreasonable to pitch to a judge. You can get a Judgement WITHOUT a lawyer and associated legal fees and garnish assets if they don't pay it, assets like homes, cars, bank accounts, etc.

    Here's where it gets interesting. Every theft is a lawsuit, could be hundreds from many areas and then judgements could all be enforced.

    Less cost for smaller sites to fight back

    thoughts..

    If done right sites like tubes that steal content could be crippled by it, and small claims is WAY faster!!!!
    This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

    Now read without the word dog.
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    • GAMEFINEST
      Make STACK$
      • Nov 2006
      • 14477
      #2
      take it to judge judy
      Compound interest.

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        • theking
          Nice Kitty
          • Sep 2002
          • 21053
          #3
          If I am not mistaken...and I may be...the offender would have to be located in the State that you are filing in. In addition collecting is not a simple matter and one has to pay those costs out of pocket...and may even involve having to hire a private investigator. But your idea is a solution of sorts.
          When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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            • SleazyDream
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              • Jul 2001
              • 41470
              #4
              Originally posted by theking
              If I am not mistaken...and I may be...the offender would have to be located in the State that you are filing in. In addition collecting is not a simple matter and one has to pay those costs out of pocket...and may even involve having to hire a private investigator. But your idea is a solution of sorts.
              I don't know us law but in Canada offense is tried where offense occured. Theft occured from my business here?

              Collection can mea. Seizing assets, which could be the URL of the tube....
              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

              Now read without the word dog.

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                • SleazyDream
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                  • Jul 2001
                  • 41470
                  #5
                  Originally posted by GAMEFINEST
                  take it to judge judy
                  I know you're an idiot, you don't have to tell me.
                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                  Now read without the word dog.

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                    • Phil
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                      • Jan 2004
                      • 7659
                      #6
                      small claims court won't work. All you can do is hire collection agency after and all they can do is call up the guy and ask to up. They cant go after his property.
                      Ask Phil

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                        • SleazyDream
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                          • Jul 2001
                          • 41470
                          #7
                          Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                          small claims court won't work. All you can do is hire collection agency after and all they can do is call up the guy and ask to up. They cant go after his property.
                          In Canada with a judgement from small claims u can seize assets, raid bank accounts, etc. It's a legal judgement.
                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                          Now read without the word dog.

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                            • theking
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                              • Sep 2002
                              • 21053
                              #8
                              Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                              small claims court won't work. All you can do is hire collection agency after and all they can do is call up the guy and ask to up. They cant go after his property.
                              That is not true. One can garnish wages...attach bank accounts...property etc. but one has to locate such things and then go through the legal process to accomplish such things and this takes effort and money to accomplish. In the case of property all one can do is attach it...but you cannot collect unless or until the person sells the property.
                              Last edited by theking; 07-22-2009, 07:30 PM.
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                                • Phil
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                                  • Jan 2004
                                  • 7659
                                  #9
                                  Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                  In Canada with a judgement from small claims u can seize assets, raid bank accounts, etc. It's a legal judgement.
                                  not in the us.
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                                    • SleazyDream
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                                      • Jul 2001
                                      • 41470
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by theking
                                      That is not true. One can garnish wages...attach bank accounts...property etc. but one has to locate such things and then go through the legal process to accomplish such things and this takes effort and money to accomplish.
                                      The URL is an asset. Hit em where it hurts.

                                      I find it hard to beleive small claims in the USA isn't enforceable? It is a legal judgement from a court of law with a real judge.
                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                        • theking
                                          Nice Kitty
                                          • Sep 2002
                                          • 21053
                                          #11
                                          Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                          not in the us.
                                          You are wrong.
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                                            • tony299
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                                              • Aug 2002
                                              • 57021
                                              #12
                                              Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                              not in the us.
                                              You are mistaken yes you can. You win a judgement its a judgement that you can enforce.

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                                                • peeperpimp
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                                                  • Aug 2006
                                                  • 5105
                                                  #13
                                                  Just because you dont have to bring an attorney to small claims doesnt mean the other party wont.

                                                  Trust that their attorney(s) will show up. and eat you alive. (they love snacks)
                                                  Last edited by peeperpimp; 07-22-2009, 07:35 PM.
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                                                    • Phil
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                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                      • 7659
                                                      #14
                                                      Originally posted by theking
                                                      That is not true. One can garnish wages...attach bank accounts...property etc. but one has to locate such things and then go through the legal process to accomplish such things and this takes effort and money to accomplish. In the case of property all one can do is attach it...but you cannot collect unless or until the person sells the property.
                                                      yes it is. Just winning small slaims doesnt meat a thing. You would have to file request of what you want to attach to lien which he can dispute, they ca file for change of venue etc... not that easy..
                                                      Ask Phil

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                                                        • theking
                                                          Nice Kitty
                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                          • 21053
                                                          #15
                                                          Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                          The URL is an asset. Hit em where it hurts.

                                                          I find it hard to beleive small claims in the USA isn't enforceable? It is a legal judgement from a court of law with a real judge.
                                                          It is enforceable...but at your time and expense...not the court that issued the judgement. One can use the judgement to enforce it...but there are legal hoops to jump through...but the biggest expense involed is the hiring of an investigator if one has to in order to locate assests. I do not know if the domain name would have much value to you other than the satisfaction of having the person to buy another domain name.
                                                          When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                            • Phil
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                                                              • Jan 2004
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                                                              #16
                                                              Originally posted by tony404
                                                              You are mistaken yes you can. You win a judgement its a judgement that you can enforce.
                                                              read my post above. Initial small claims court hearing and default judgment wins you nothing unless you deal with total chumps. I don’t thing Brazzers fit that category..
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                                                                • theking
                                                                  Nice Kitty
                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                  • 21053
                                                                  #17
                                                                  Originally posted by peeperpimp
                                                                  Just because you dont have to bring an attorney to small claims doesnt mean the other party wont.

                                                                  Trust that their attorney(s) will show up. and eat you alive. (they love snacks)
                                                                  One usually cannot have an attorney represent one in a small claims court. One can have one present but they are not allowed to speak.
                                                                  When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                    • stickyfingerz
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                                                                      • Oct 2005
                                                                      • 24984
                                                                      #18
                                                                      Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                      not in the us.
                                                                      Yes in the U.S. you sure can. With a legal judgement you can get a garnishment set on bank accounts, and even on paychecks.

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                                                                        • Phil
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                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                          • 7659
                                                                          #19
                                                                          Originally posted by tony404
                                                                          You are mistaken yes you can. You win a judgement its a judgement that you can enforce.
                                                                          No you dont. You will have to RTAO to go after assests. Trust me.
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                                                                            • theking
                                                                              Nice Kitty
                                                                              • Sep 2002
                                                                              • 21053
                                                                              #20
                                                                              Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                              yes it is. Just winning small slaims doesnt meat a thing. You would have to file request of what you want to attach to lien which he can dispute, they ca file for change of venue etc... not that easy..
                                                                              Originally posted by theking
                                                                              If I am not mistaken...and I may be...the offender would have to be located in the State that you are filing in. In addition collecting is not a simple matter and one has to pay those costs out of pocket...and may even involve having to hire a private investigator. But your idea is a solution of sorts.
                                                                              Apparently you did not read my post.
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                                                                                • Phil
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                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                  • 7659
                                                                                  #21
                                                                                  Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                  Yes in the U.S. you sure can. With a legal judgement you can get a garnishment set on bank accounts, and even on paychecks.
                                                                                  Jesus fucking christ. I went to law school for 2 1/2 years, I know what Im talking about.
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                                                                                    • peeperpimp
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                                                                                      • Aug 2006
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                                                                                      #22
                                                                                      Originally posted by theking
                                                                                      One usually cannot have an attorney represent one in a small claims court. One can have one present but they are not allowed to speak.
                                                                                      Yes you are corrrect, but theres nothing stopping their clients from consulting with them before said client opens their mouth. So the attorney(s) can tell the client exactly how to respond.
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                                                                                        • Phil
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                                                                                          • Jan 2004
                                                                                          • 7659
                                                                                          #23
                                                                                          Originally posted by theking
                                                                                          Apparently you did not read my post.
                                                                                          sorry, my bad.
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                                                                                            • SleazyDream
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                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                              • 41470
                                                                                              #24
                                                                                              Originally posted by peeperpimp
                                                                                              Just because you dont have to bring an attorney to small claims doesnt mean the other party wont.

                                                                                              Trust that their attorney(s) will show up. and eat you alive. (they love snacks)
                                                                                              actually, judges in small claims usually DON'T like attorneys, esp if you appear to be honest.

                                                                                              also what is 20 or 30 people all sue at once - in different states and countries.....

                                                                                              all seperate legitimate small claims lawsuits

                                                                                              and here's the thing, even if their lawyer DOES show up, in Canada here if you loose you're only responsible for $100 in fees. they could get buried in legal fees really quickly and cripple them
                                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                              Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                • theking
                                                                                                  Nice Kitty
                                                                                                  • Sep 2002
                                                                                                  • 21053
                                                                                                  #25
                                                                                                  Originally posted by peeperpimp
                                                                                                  Yes you are corrrect, but theres nothing stopping their clients from consulting with them before said client opens their mouth. So the attorney(s) can tell the client exactly how to respond.
                                                                                                  Before court but not during court proceedings.
                                                                                                  When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                    • SleazyDream
                                                                                                      I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                      • 41470
                                                                                                      #26
                                                                                                      Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                      yes it is. Just winning small slaims doesnt meat a thing. You would have to file request of what you want to attach to lien which he can dispute, they ca file for change of venue etc... not that easy..

                                                                                                      i've done this in Canada multi province and it IS that easy. I used a lawyer to help collect, but we drained a bank account of a debter in another province. Just required a couple forms to be signed....
                                                                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                          • 41470
                                                                                                          #27
                                                                                                          Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                          It is enforceable...but at your time and expense...not the court that issued the judgement. One can use the judgement to enforce it...but there are legal hoops to jump through...but the biggest expense involed is the hiring of an investigator if one has to in order to locate assests. I do not know if the domain name would have much value to you other than the satisfaction of having the person to buy another domain name.

                                                                                                          imagine obtaining a large tube and ALL it's traffic for a $10,000 judgement......

                                                                                                          cost to do it - a few hundred to a few thousand dollars...


                                                                                                          the point is STOPPING THEM - people get caught up in the 'millions' and get greedy - the point of suing them is to STOP them - shut them down - not to get money from them.

                                                                                                          a micro approach from multiple sources could be ONGOING with EVERY offense.
                                                                                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                            • wargames
                                                                                                              Kliris
                                                                                                              • May 2003
                                                                                                              • 10423
                                                                                                              #28
                                                                                                              Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                              actually, judges in small claims usually DON'T like attorneys, esp if you appear to be honest.

                                                                                                              also what is 20 or 30 people all sue at once - in different states and countries.....

                                                                                                              all seperate legitimate small claims lawsuits

                                                                                                              and here's the thing, even if their lawyer DOES show up, in Canada here if you loose you're only responsible for $100 in fees. they could get buried in legal fees really quickly and cripple them
                                                                                                              I like this idea
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                                                                                                                • Phil
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                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
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                                                                                                                  #29
                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                  i've done this in Canada multi province and it IS that easy. I used a lawyer to help collect, but we drained a bank account of a debter in another province. Just required a couple forms to be signed....
                                                                                                                  Sleazy, I don’t know how its in Canada but here attorney can file motion for “change of venue” and you will have to fly your ass to some place called Poland Springs, Maine with population of 150, for every court meeting. And there can be MAAAANY of those to fly to…
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                                                                                                                    • SleazyDream
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                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                      • 41470
                                                                                                                      #30
                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                                      read my post above. Initial small claims court hearing and default judgment wins you nothing unless you deal with total chumps. I don?t thing Brazzers fit that category..
                                                                                                                      actually unless they appeal within 30 days it's enforceable.

                                                                                                                      do you own a tube?

                                                                                                                      what's the url?
                                                                                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                        • theking
                                                                                                                          Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                          • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                          • 21053
                                                                                                                          #31
                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                          i've done this in Canada multi province and it IS that easy. I used a lawyer to help collect, but we drained a bank account of a debter in another province. Just required a couple forms to be signed....
                                                                                                                          How did you locate the bank account? This is often where a private investigator must be hired...to locate job...bank account and property/assets.
                                                                                                                          When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                            • SleazyDream
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                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                              • 41470
                                                                                                                              #32
                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                                              Jesus fucking christ. I went to law school for 2 1/2 years, I know what Im talking about.
                                                                                                                              obviously you failed - as law school is longer than 2 1/2 years.

                                                                                                                              i'm thinking you sound scared and own a tube doing illegial content or have a stake in one..


                                                                                                                              I can smell fear
                                                                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                              Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                  • 41470
                                                                                                                                  #33
                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by stickyfingerz
                                                                                                                                  Yes in the U.S. you sure can. With a legal judgement you can get a garnishment set on bank accounts, and even on paychecks.
                                                                                                                                  or affiliate accounts
                                                                                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                    • theking
                                                                                                                                      Nice Kitty
                                                                                                                                      • Sep 2002
                                                                                                                                      • 21053
                                                                                                                                      #34
                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                      imagine obtaining a large tube and ALL it's traffic for a $10,000 judgement......

                                                                                                                                      cost to do it - a few hundred to a few thousand dollars...


                                                                                                                                      the point is STOPPING THEM - people get caught up in the 'millions' and get greedy - the point of suing them is to STOP them - shut them down - not to get money from them.

                                                                                                                                      a micro approach from multiple sources could be ONGOING with EVERY offense.
                                                                                                                                      That you will not obtain through a small claims court...no way...but dream on.
                                                                                                                                      When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me!

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                                                                                                                                        • peeperpimp
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                                                                                                                                          • Aug 2006
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                                                                                                                                          #35
                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                          actually, judges in small claims usually DON'T like attorneys, esp if you appear to be honest.

                                                                                                                                          also what is 20 or 30 people all sue at once - in different states and countries.....

                                                                                                                                          all seperate legitimate small claims lawsuits

                                                                                                                                          and here's the thing, even if their lawyer DOES show up, in Canada here if you loose you're only responsible for $100 in fees. they could get buried in legal fees really quickly and cripple them
                                                                                                                                          I never said the attorney had to be inside the court room. The judge really doesn't have to even see the attorney in order for the attorney todo his thing.

                                                                                                                                          Reality is an attorney can prepare a case for the defence that the client can present himself in court, and anything an attorney can prepare as far as legalities is no match for the average Joe...

                                                                                                                                          As far as the rest of your post i.e. mass lawsuits by differrent parties across the US, well that just might work.
                                                                                                                                          Last edited by peeperpimp; 07-22-2009, 07:52 PM.
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                                                                                                                                            • SleazyDream
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                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                              • 41470
                                                                                                                                              #36
                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                              One usually cannot have an attorney represent one in a small claims court. One can have one present but they are not allowed to speak.
                                                                                                                                              here they can speak and plead the case, you're allowed to have someone else represent you, even if you're not there


                                                                                                                                              but imagine the cost to the tube stealing your content to FLY a lawyer out every time they steal from you - or retain one locally.

                                                                                                                                              nothing hurts like legal costs and a few small claims lawsuits and they won't be touching your content anymore......

                                                                                                                                              cost to you - depending on area - $50. cost to them using a lawyer out of state or country - THOUSANDS - per occurance!!!!!
                                                                                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                              Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                  Do you think we will ever see an end to the tubes? This is what has evolved in this business. Porn is Free now, no matter what. User uploaded is hard to track as we all know. You can ask the owner of the tubes to take it down and they may. But it will be back in due time. What can we do to fight it? Start a legal tube, give away 5 min clips, try to salvage what has been trashed. The courts don’t care about porn. It's all bad in their eyes. We need to evolve and protect our content as best we can. We can all cry and watch it be destroyed. Lets pull together as a community and do what we can to protect our content. I’m not sure how to do that. But there has to be a way right?

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                                                                                                                                                    • SleazyDream
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                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                      • 41470
                                                                                                                                                      #38
                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                                                                      Sleazy, I don?t know how its in Canada but here attorney can file motion for ?change of venue? and you will have to fly your ass to some place called Poland Springs, Maine with population of 150, for every court meeting. And there can be MAAAANY of those to fly to?
                                                                                                                                                      oh god - this is sooo easy - all i have to do is have my secretary represent me. cost is $500 to anywhere...

                                                                                                                                                      the cost to the tube is THOUSANDS for the lawyer.

                                                                                                                                                      and that's the point - cripeling them


                                                                                                                                                      i'm really smelling fear on you. you must have some tube assets... time to do some digging on you..

                                                                                                                                                      this will be fun
                                                                                                                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                        • Phil
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                                                                                                                                                          #39
                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                          obviously you failed - as law school is longer than 2 1/2 years.

                                                                                                                                                          i'm thinking you sound scared and own a tube doing illegial content or have a stake in one..


                                                                                                                                                          I can smell fear
                                                                                                                                                          Oh Sleezy, I didn’t fail, I just quit when I foud out whats waiting for me. I was shooting for Corporate Law, but then I saw what people like me do after graduation for next 10 years besides filling up coffee pots and running copy machine business.. Instead I took 80K expat job I SE Asia with oil company and left the law program. Thank god for that Business Information System undergrad degree I had.. Maybe if I went to Harward law it would have been different, but I just did it in Texas at SMU.
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                                                                                                                                                            • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                              I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                              • 41470
                                                                                                                                                              #40
                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                              How did you locate the bank account? This is often where a private investigator must be hired...to locate job...bank account and property/assets.
                                                                                                                                                              had inside info... but a supena of an affilate account might lead to assets....

                                                                                                                                                              money isn't the point - the asset that's worth ALL the gold is the URL.

                                                                                                                                                              get the url - problem solved.

                                                                                                                                                              go after the url, even if you loose - and keep going after it -then me betting they magically won't have any 'user uploaded content' on their site of yours anymore
                                                                                                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

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                                                                                                                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                  • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                  #41
                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by theking
                                                                                                                                                                  That you will not obtain through a small claims court...no way...but dream on.
                                                                                                                                                                  actually, here in canada you can lean it and then force the sale of the asset if the account is unpaid.
                                                                                                                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                    • Phil
                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                      • 7659
                                                                                                                                                                      #42
                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                      oh god - this is sooo easy - all i have to do is have my secretary represent me. cost is $500 to anywhere...

                                                                                                                                                                      the cost to the tube is THOUSANDS for the lawyer.

                                                                                                                                                                      and that's the point - cripeling them


                                                                                                                                                                      i'm really smelling fear on you. you must have some tube assets... time to do some digging on you..

                                                                                                                                                                      this will be fun
                                                                                                                                                                      I own 8tube and another big one.. make sure you file charges in Collin county, not Dallas. Lets do it sleezy. You da man! Fly your secretary. is she hot?
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                                                                                                                                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                          • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                          #43
                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by peeperpimp
                                                                                                                                                                          I never said the attorney had to be inside the court room. The judge really doesn't have to even see the attorney in order for the attorney todo his thing.

                                                                                                                                                                          Reality is an attorney can prepare a case for the defence that the client can present himself in court, and anything an attorney can prepare as far as legalities is no match for the average Joe...

                                                                                                                                                                          As far as the rest of your post i.e. mass lawsuits by differrent parties across the US, well that just might work.
                                                                                                                                                                          webmasters arnt' average joe's

                                                                                                                                                                          i've beaten MANY attorneys.

                                                                                                                                                                          actually most arn't that bright in my opinion. some are, most arn't and are only concerned with billing.... thus my point - CRIPPLE them with legal fees.
                                                                                                                                                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                            • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                              I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                              • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                              • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                              #44
                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by Zuzana Designs
                                                                                                                                                                              Do you think we will ever see an end to the tubes? This is what has evolved in this business. Porn is Free now, no matter what. User uploaded is hard to track as we all know. You can ask the owner of the tubes to take it down and they may. But it will be back in due time. What can we do to fight it? Start a legal tube, give away 5 min clips, try to salvage what has been trashed. The courts don?t care about porn. It's all bad in their eyes. We need to evolve and protect our content as best we can. We can all cry and watch it be destroyed. Lets pull together as a community and do what we can to protect our content. I?m not sure how to do that. But there has to be a way right?

                                                                                                                                                                              i see nothing wrong with tubes. it's the stealing of content i take issue with.

                                                                                                                                                                              that's what this thread is really about.
                                                                                                                                                                              This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

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                                                                                                                                                                                • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                  I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                  • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                                  #45
                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                                                                                                  Oh Sleezy, I didn?t fail, I just quit when I foud out whats waiting for me. I was shooting for Corporate Law, but then I saw what people like me do after graduation for next 10 years besides filling up coffee pots and running copy machine business.. Instead I took 80K expat job I SE Asia with oil company and left the law program. Thank god for that Business Information System undergrad degree I had.. Maybe if I went to Harward law it would have been different, but I just did it in Texas at SMU.
                                                                                                                                                                                  1/2 a year left and you dropped out? I don't think so.

                                                                                                                                                                                  keep telling yourself that though.
                                                                                                                                                                                  This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                                  Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                    • Phil
                                                                                                                                                                                      Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                      • 7659
                                                                                                                                                                                      #46
                                                                                                                                                                                      Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                      actually, here in canada you can lean it and then force the sale of the asset if the account is unpaid.
                                                                                                                                                                                      "oh here in Canada"... sue the shit of Brazzers then. They are Canadian who gives a fuck whats inn canada if you're asking about US?
                                                                                                                                                                                      Did you annexed the US in some war we don’t know about? Did you charge us on lake Huron with your fishing boat/Canadian Navy armada and we surrendered? I smell “mr stupid” here.
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                                                                                                                                                                                        • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                          I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                                          • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                          • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                                          #47
                                                                                                                                                                                          Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                                                                                                          "oh here in Canada"... sue the shit of Brazzers then. They are Canadian who gives a fuck whats inn canada if you're asking about US?
                                                                                                                                                                                          Did you annexed the US in some war we don?t know about? Did you charge us on lake Huron with your fishing boat/Canadian Navy armada and we surrendered? I smell ?mr stupid? here.
                                                                                                                                                                                          i havn't had any of my content stolen to my knowledge, so I have nothing personal against braizzers.

                                                                                                                                                                                          someone steals from me, I sue. I'm just throwing ideas out for friends of mine who HAVE had content stolen.
                                                                                                                                                                                          This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                                          Now read without the word dog.

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                                                                                                                                                                                            • tony299
                                                                                                                                                                                              lurker
                                                                                                                                                                                              • Aug 2002
                                                                                                                                                                                              • 57021
                                                                                                                                                                                              #48
                                                                                                                                                                                              Originally posted by CAMOKAT
                                                                                                                                                                                              No you dont. You will have to RTAO to go after assests. Trust me.
                                                                                                                                                                                              http://www.legalzoom.com/legal-artic...-judgment.html

                                                                                                                                                                                              How to Get Your Money

                                                                                                                                                                                              If your debtor is unwilling to pay and you know they have the means, it's time to use your local sheriff. You have three options to collect: a bank levy, wage garnishment, or a real estate lien.

                                                                                                                                                                                              First, you must obtain proof from your small claims court that you have the right to collect. While the name of the court-issued document varies, it is typically called a writ of execution, writ of garnishment, or writ of attachment. Once you have your writ, give it to your local sheriff with instructions on your collection method. Your sheriff will serve papers on the appropriate institution and collect from your debtor.

                                                                                                                                                                                              Seizing money from your debtor's bank accounts is called a bank levy. For this, you need the name of the bank, the account number and the exact name on the account. If the cause of your suit was a business transaction, you may have this information on a credit application. Debtor laws exempt certain accounts from collection. Those include wages, retirement funds and public funds (social security, unemployment). The issue can get even more complicated if the account is joint or shared.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The next method to consider is a real estate lien. If the debtor has property, you can claim part of its value. You can create a lien by registering your judgment with the land records office in the county where the debtor owns real estate. A lien requires patience. You won't get any money until the property is sold or transferred since you will be paid from those proceeds. However, if the owner sells the property, you can collect the judgment, plus post-judgment costs and interests. It should be noted that some states limit the amount that can be collected on a real estate lien.

                                                                                                                                                                                              The third and easiest way to collect is wage garnishment. If the debtor has a job, you can collect up to 25% of his or her wages until the judgment is paid. Give your sheriff or other local official (known as a levying officer) information about the judgment and where the debtor works. This officer will collect the money and give it to you. There are restrictions, however. If the person can prove the money is being used for basic support, you can't garnish his or her wages. The same goes if they are already subject to another garnishment, are a federal or military employee or are on public support.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                • Phil
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Confirmed User
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • Jan 2004
                                                                                                                                                                                                  • 7659
                                                                                                                                                                                                  #49
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Originally posted by SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                                  1/2 a year left and you dropped out? I don't think so.

                                                                                                                                                                                                  keep telling yourself that though.
                                                                                                                                                                                                  Its 4+ years for work-and-study students… Please tell me “Oh but in Canada…”… I do give 3 shits about how its in “Eh Canada”…
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                                                                                                                                                                                                    • SleazyDream
                                                                                                                                                                                                      I'm here for SPORT
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • Jul 2001
                                                                                                                                                                                                      • 41470
                                                                                                                                                                                                      #50
                                                                                                                                                                                                      CAMOKAT I think it's pretty clear to see why they threw you out of law school from your responses
                                                                                                                                                                                                      This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog!

                                                                                                                                                                                                      Now read without the word dog.

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