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Gaybucks 07-23-2009 01:24 PM

That bites, because it was likely settled for chump change from redtube's perspective... can't say i wouldn't do the same thing but somebody needs to go after them and NOT settle... i particularly like the idea of going after sponsors.

Valerie82 07-23-2009 01:24 PM

thats a pretty penny

Dirty Dane 07-23-2009 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaybucks (Post 16098552)
That bites, because it was likely settled for chump change from redtube's perspective... can't say i wouldn't do the same thing but somebody needs to go after them and NOT settle... i particularly like the idea of going after sponsors.

Maybe others will do the same? If they are willing to settle, they also admit something. That could be expensive.

DateDoc 07-23-2009 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Spudstr (Post 16098466)
06/17/2009 Order (STIPULATED PROTECTIVE ORDER )
Filed by Plaintiff

Am i the only one who cought that? :P

That is more than likely to omit any sensitive info found in discovery from becoming public. Quite common.

hjnet 07-23-2009 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaybucks (Post 16098552)
That bites, because it was likely settled for chump change from redtube's perspective... can't say i wouldn't do the same thing but somebody needs to go after them and NOT settle... i particularly like the idea of going after sponsors.

Hmm, if they settle that quickly it looks like a cash-cow to me, threaten to sue RedTube and settle for $$$. :pimp

xxxjay 07-23-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by todhunter (Post 16093964)
LOS ANGELES ? A hearing to strike the $40 million lawsuit brought by Internet adult entrepreneur Kevin Cammarata against operators of streaming video site RedTube will be held tomorrow at Los Angeles Superior Court.

Details: http://www.xbiz.com/news/110835

--t

I wish those guys luck.

Don Pueblo 07-23-2009 02:30 PM

are you fucking idiots stupid. they haven't settled shit.

PornNewz 07-23-2009 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Pueblo (Post 16098822)
are you fucking idiots stupid. they haven't settled shit.

:1orglaugh
I wasn't gonna put it like that. However, yes, nothing has happened yet.

brassmonkey 07-23-2009 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Pueblo (Post 16098822)
are you fucking idiots stupid. they haven't settled shit.

wtf :mad: what is your source they didnt:helpme

PornNewz 07-23-2009 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by brassmonkey (Post 16098853)
wtf :mad: what is your source they didnt:helpme

I think he's saying based on the above post from L.A. Superior Court

PastorSinAlot 07-23-2009 03:27 PM

i guess known of you guys been sued, i get sued 3 to 5 times a year, The judge always ask can things be workout before going into a trial. then if this cant be work out, then it might go to trail. which might take another 3 to 6 months

camgirlshide 07-23-2009 04:24 PM

Nice, I still say - some of us may be too small to file lawsuits, but we can help the tube situation by just refusing to do business with anyone who allows their ads to be shown on an illegal tube site.

Drake 07-23-2009 08:07 PM

I wonder how far the rabbit hole goes for Bright Imperial - exactly how many shell companies and peripheral parties exist, shielding the true owner(s).

fatfoo 07-23-2009 08:39 PM

$40 million. That's a lot of money.
The lawsuit, which was filed earlier this year, claims that RedTube has unlawfully offered free movies as loss leaders in an attempt to crush its competition and seeks to have RedTube shut down.

Best-In-BC 07-23-2009 10:37 PM

1. This will fail, garentie
2. Host and sponsors are far from being liable
3. Most importantly, its a us class action suit or w./e means shit to everyone out side of the us

Elixir 07-23-2009 11:22 PM

Interesting news

mmcfadden 07-23-2009 11:30 PM

who won? who lost?

one thing is for certain many more tubes will pop up in it's place....

wtfent 07-23-2009 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Best-In-BC (Post 16100117)
1. This will fail, garentie
2. Host and sponsors are far from being liable
3. Most importantly, its a us class action suit or w./e means shit to everyone out side of the us

Who or what is garentie? I guarantee I have never heard that word before.

Dirty Dane 07-24-2009 12:17 AM

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Originally Posted by camgirlshide (Post 16099210)
but we can help the tube situation by just refusing to do business with anyone who allows their ads to be shown on an illegal tube site.

:2 cents:

We need a complete list :thumbsup

Pseudonymous 07-24-2009 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by wtfent (Post 16100260)
Who or what is garentie? I guarantee I have never heard that word before.

Stop playing the english teacher and try responding to the actual points he made.

DWB 07-24-2009 02:08 AM

So what was the result of this? Moving forward or not?

Pseudonymous 07-24-2009 02:11 AM

Like somebody said before, I doubt anything was settled in the first hearing. It's a 40 million dollar case apparently, this thing could take time.

RadicalSights 07-24-2009 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by wtfent (Post 16100260)
Who or what is garentie?

:1orglaugh

Paul Markham 07-24-2009 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SleazyDream (Post 16094662)
suing for loss of revenue by loss leader I don't think will work.

honestly i don't see anything wrong with redtube giving away free porn, so long as they have the right to USE that porn that is on their site.

For the small amount of videos posted daily, it's not unreasonable or unrealistic to require them to have the rights to use everything on their servers, esp in adult. They don't have that if it's user uploaded.

If giving away free video becomes a crime we're all in for a different industry. :1orglaugh

Quote:

I wonder if requiring 2257 for adult material on your server would be a better route to take?

redtube has stolen adult material. I don't think any for one second believes it was user uploaded. It was done by staff there. And even if it was, FREE ADULT MATERIAL should require 2257 documentation.

if it was truly user uploaded then there would be c p on the site, if it's checked for that, it should be also checked for 2257 on ALL adult material or the assumption is it's all underage models. They SHOULD be required to prove it in each and every video on their servers.


I also think the host SHOULD be liable as well if they become aware of a client posting adult material without 2257 documents.
The authorities are not really interested in 2257, if they were they would of been checking sites that obviously don't have documents and not checking companies who are likely to have documents.

st0ned 07-24-2009 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by JustDaveXxx (Post 16094181)
This hearing is to see if this lawsuit has merit. This argument is really solid and i think will move forward.


If you do links or push traffic, you need to show your support and push Teen Revenue. This law suit is very important to our industry.

Teen Revenue is the one who filed suit? NICE! They have always been my #1 and now I have even more reason to send them additional sales.

Dirty Dane 07-24-2009 03:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul Markham (Post 16100664)
The authorities are not really interested in 2257, if they were they would of been checking sites that obviously don't have documents and not checking companies who are likely to have documents.

So F true!
The irony of it all, is that the adult industry- at least some of it - is fighting against unfair regulations, censorship, .xxx ... u name it... and the real criminals benefit under these shelters. By screwing those who fight "for" them.
At some point there will be a tipping point. Not only for adult industry, but on the internet in general. The politicians, especially the right/conservative ones, can just lean back and wait for the excuse. The ones crying most, when it happens, will be those who can't run a legal and fully open business.

Paul Markham 07-24-2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirty Dane (Post 16100733)
So F true!
The irony of it all, is that the adult industry- at least some of it - is fighting against unfair regulations, censorship, .xxx ... u name it... and the real criminals benefit under these shelters. By screwing those who fight "for" them.
At some point there will be a tipping point. Not only for adult industry, but on the internet in general. The politicians, especially the right/conservative ones, can just lean back and wait for the excuse. The ones crying most, when it happens, will be those who can't run a legal and fully open business.

Very true. Unless Governments do something drastic a great opportunity will be missed.

Idigmygirls 07-26-2009 05:07 PM

Here's the Answer
 
Quoting from the below article: "If the case ever had legs, those legs appear to have suffered the equivalent of a tibia-fibula compound fracture. Yesterday, the Honorable Maureen Duffy-Lewis dismissed the case under California?s Anti-SLAPP statute, Cal. Code Civ. Proc. 425.16."

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2009/0...ound-fracture/

Mutt 07-26-2009 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Idigmygirls (Post 16109528)
Quoting from the below article: "If the case ever had legs, those legs appear to have suffered the equivalent of a tibia-fibula compound fracture. Yesterday, the Honorable Maureen Duffy-Lewis dismissed the case under California?s Anti-SLAPP statute, Cal. Code Civ. Proc. 425.16."

http://randazza.wordpress.com/2009/0...ound-fracture/

:Oh crap judge laughed them out of court - not sure why they chose go that route when i'm sure that Pornhub and all the big tube sites have Teen Revenue videos on them -proving that Pornhub and other tube sites in no way meet the criteria for safe harbor protection under the DMCA is far easier than the anti-trust argument.

gideongallery 07-26-2009 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mutt (Post 16109682)
:Oh crap judge laughed them out of court - not sure why they chose go that route when i'm sure that Pornhub and all the big tube sites have Teen Revenue videos on them -proving that Pornhub and other tube sites in no way meet the criteria for safe harbor protection under the DMCA is far easier than the anti-trust argument.

again one more of my predictions came true.

brassmonkey 07-26-2009 07:14 PM

hard battle 2 fight

Drake 07-26-2009 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16109789)
again one more of my predictions came true.

http://moronland.net/media/pictures/duntoldrape.jpg

Shap 07-26-2009 09:06 PM

It was a retarded case to begin with LOL. We've been talking about it in the office and I can't believe that teenrevenue guy was stupid enough to waste his time and money on this case. Oh well. I give him points for trying but it was a huge waste of a try.

I imagine nobody knew how it would turn out because the american legal system is so screwed up. The only hope was getting a brain dead judge. Unfortunately for him he didn't.

bbobby86 07-27-2009 02:35 AM

some interesting staff to read...

xxxjay 07-27-2009 02:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16110049)
I give him points for trying but it was a huge waste of a try..

Me too. :2 cents:

gideongallery 07-28-2009 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16110049)
It was a retarded case to begin with LOL. We've been talking about it in the office and I can't believe that teenrevenue guy was stupid enough to waste his time and money on this case. Oh well. I give him points for trying but it was a huge waste of a try.

I imagine nobody knew how it would turn out because the american legal system is so screwed up. The only hope was getting a brain dead judge. Unfortunately for him he didn't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxjay (Post 16110478)
Me too. :2 cents:

you respect him wasting money on a dog of case which had a snowballs chance in hell of winning why ?

Shap 07-28-2009 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16114848)
you respect him wasting money on a dog of case which had a snowballs chance in hell of winning why ?

I respect him having the balls to try something unfortunately it wasn't well thought out or researched. I'm guessing he was given bad advice.

On a personal note I'm not very well educated in the legal arena. I do my homework and get as much information as possible but for the most part when it comes to legal situations I rely on my lawyers for guidance. I'm not sure if this was Kevin's idea that he shoved down his lawyer's throat or their idea that they shoved down his.

gideongallery 07-28-2009 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 16114953)
I respect him having the balls to try something unfortunately it wasn't well thought out or researched. I'm guessing he was given bad advice.

On a personal note I'm not very well educated in the legal arena. I do my homework and get as much information as possible but for the most part when it comes to legal situations I rely on my lawyers for guidance. I'm not sure if this was Kevin's idea that he shoved down his lawyer's throat or their idea that they shoved down his.

my opinion is the exact opposite when you go after a dog of a case and lose you create a legal precedent that your opponents can use against you to further extend their rights.

not researching this case before, blindly going in with this dog has now absolutely established the law on the side of the tube sites. IT means arguements that could have won are going to have overcome this ruling to get by, making it way worse for everyone.

this cheerleader mentality has to stop, cheering a guy on waste money on dog of a case like this is actually the worst thing you can do for your industry.

Shap 07-28-2009 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gideongallery (Post 16115059)
my opinion is the exact opposite when you go after a dog of a case and lose you create a legal precedent that your opponents can use against you to further extend their rights.

not researching this case before, blindly going in with this dog has now absolutely established the law on the side of the tube sites. IT means arguements that could have won are going to have overcome this ruling to get by, making it way worse for everyone.

this cheerleader mentality has to stop, cheering a guy on waste money on dog of a case like this is actually the worst thing you can do for your industry.

Actually that's a good point. I hadn't thought of it that way.

I proved my other point I don't know shit about the legal system lol

just a punk 07-28-2009 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Idigmygirls (Post 16109528)

So RedTube won?


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