why isn't anyone cheering Lord Obama and all his works?

I'm a man but thanks for the compliment, I do look young for my age... you could start with a quick read of:

"To mollify Alexander Hamilton's and James Madison's fears about how a Bill of Rights might be used as a pretext to infringe on human rights, the Ninth Amendment was added that reads: "The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people." In essence, the Ninth Amendment says it's impossible to list all of our God-given or natural rights. Just because a right is not listed doesn't mean it can be infringed upon or disparaged by the U.S. Congress. The Tenth Amendment is a reinforcement of the Ninth saying, "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people." That means if a power is not delegated to Congress, it belongs to the states of the people.

The Ninth and Tenth Amendments mean absolutely nothing today as Americans have developed a level of naive trust for Congress, the White House and the U.S. Supreme Court that would have astonished the founders, a trust that will lead to our undoing as a great nation." -Walter Williams


There's a great place to start... Also, this is a fun statistic if only active and prior military were aloud to vote Ron Paul would have become president; he had the highest amount of votes and donation by far from military against all other candidates. Not only for the fact that he actually would bring the troops back home but also because, like our founding fathers, he believes and personal and economic freedom. The government has been over regulating industries for years causing issues and just generally WAY overstepping their authority. Rushing bills through, hiding verbiage at the bottom of other bills to slip them by, etc...

The problems certainly didn't start with Obama but he's compounding them at an alarming rate. I believe he has good intentions and he's a good person he's just economically clueless. He's spending money like a teenager with his first credit without any realization for where the money comes from. He's mixing business with government creating a fascist state. Buying 60% of GM?!... Benito Mussolini would be proud. The american tax payers didn't ask to be in the auto industry and this isn't the last time you'll see this type of stunt pulled.

Obama's health care plan also calls for the creation of a government run health care provider... once again bringing the government into business... once again back to early 20th century Italy. The government does not have the authority to create tax payer funded companies in direct competition with the private sector.

How about this "cap and trade" bill? A massive indirect tax on the American people to give Congress more money to play with. Taxing every bit of energy is one of the most effective ways to control _all_ economic activity...

They're cutting checks like there's no tomorrow under the guise of an economic stimulus package. You want an economic stimulus package? I'll give you one, it's called cutting federal taxes to a third of what they are now, pulling out of the middle east, and shrinking the bloated government down to a reasonable size. Giving everyone that much money they didn't have previously is much more important than propping up companies for bad decisions that they made. Consumers drive the markets when consumer spending is down... well look what's going on now. I fail to see how spending a dime on a failing company is more effective than directly increasing consumer spending as well as improving the entire working nation's quality of life. That type of economic stimulus carries weight and makes the country thrive.

Now I'm rambling but by now you should get the point... I'm disappointed to see a Marine end up as one of the sheeple. Buying into the hype of how everything is going to be great for you if you just fork over your cash without checking out the real facts. You're probably one of these people who believe the global warming propaganda as well... don't be too hard on yourself, the majority of Americans do as they're fed this crap by the government and the media.

But have you looked at the real facts or just listened in to what came across your tv? Last March, more than 700 international scientists went on record dissenting over manmade global warming claims. About 31,500 American scientists, including 9,029 with Ph.D.s, have signed a petition, that in part reads, "There is no convincing scientific evidence that human release of carbon dioxide, methane or other greenhouse gases is causing or will, in the foreseeable future, cause catastrophic heating of the Earth's atmosphere and disruption of the Earth's climate." In fact, the earth has been cooling for the past 10 years... Prominent atmospheric scientists recently sent a letter to Congress saying, "You are being deceived about global warming. ... The Earth has been cooling for ten years. ... The present cooling was not predicted by the alarmists' computer models."

So why is the federal government still pushing "cap and trade"? Because it's all about government control over the economy not about any concern for the American people.

/endrant

I have a headache now... but good read.... I think.

I just wanted to be on page 4.

All hail the chief!

ok, so you didn't post anything Obama did.. that's fine.

When the states fail to protect the welfare of the people it's the feds job to do it. When corporations make massive profits and still screw Americans over, it's the feds job to step in and do something about.

Like it or not, without Fed regulations things would be really screwed up.

If you want the Gov out of our lives. Go talk to the people that fucked it up. Not the man trying to correct it.

I voted for Ron Paul...

Obama's plan doesn't call for the creation of a NEW gov ran health care system, the Gov already has several to choose from, it's expanding... on the one that works really well already because they regulate the cost. It's an amazing system, you should get a Gov Job and try it out.

I don't think Man Made Global Warming is Real either.. I damn well know the earth is going to warm up, madly... but it isn't Humans doing it.

I don't like Cap and Trade.. But, the end result of this cap and trade has a greater chance of forcing us to alt fuel sources. So it's all in how you look at it.

I have said many times, I don't agree with everything Obama is doing. Then again, I have never agreed with everything any president has done.

But I do agree with Gov provided health care that Americans can use if they need it.

And I travel all over the country and have bought petrol in Spain and Germany as well. Automated all the way. And I have gotten gas in the middle of nowhere many, many times. I seem to recall an Indian reservation in WY that I had to deal with an attendant back in 2006.

Cap and Trade?

Don't worry everyone we have this guy helping out

Don't pay any attention to these guys

I got gas at Walmart a few weeks back, paid cash.. gave it to an attendant. Then at frys, same deal. Odd thing about Gas Pumps.. they don't take cash.




He sometimes, makes me laugh

?It?s like if the Declaration of Independence and the Emancipation Proclamation where making love on Betsy Ross's handsome carpet, while the Magna Carta watched from outside the window? slowly touching it?s wax seal? and crying.?

99.9% of the self service pumps I have been to accept cash. They just can't dispense change.

1) Obama signs off on the bills showing his support... He does have the right to veto.

2) What corps are you talking about? Any sane economist will tell you that the housing bust was due to government regulation, not the hype about "Greedy Wallstreet". The government forced risky mortgages on lenders, just do your homework and read some reliable information from an economist. I recommend Dr. Thomas Sowell's 43rd book, "The Housing Boom and Bust."

3) Some regulations of course but there's a line that needs to be drawn and this country flourished before all this regulation, large government, and taxation came into play. It's what made this country great and pushed us from an English settlement to the greatest nation in the world (in my opinion).

4) The man is not correcting it, he's making it worse...

5) Yes it does call for a NEW system and that NEW system will be made to compete with the private sector... in fact it imposes additional taxes on people who seek private healthcare... Have you even read the bill?!

6) My point was it's not warming, it's cooling... for the past 10 years. 31,000 American Scientists agree.

7) Don't talk to me about understanding freedom on one hand and then tell me, "greater chance of forcing us to alt fuel sources"... That implies you think it's the US Government's right to force everyone to use alternative fuel sources under the guise of protecting us against a non existent threat. That's not freedom, no part of supporting "force" is free.

8) It's not _free_, that's the problem... tax payers bear the burden in the form of additional taxes. This healthcare reform bill hikes up fed taxes for families making over $350,000 annually to at least 45%... it's currently capped at 35%. That's 10% of the money they've earned. You think that's fair?! I call that Robin Hood tactics. The government doesn't have the right to redistribute wealth in the country, that's a socialist ideal and something this country was founded against.

I don't expect him to stop everything I don't agree with. Then again, if I was him, I wouldn't veto everything either. No reason to put my life in danger if I actually want to help.


Not sure what the Marine Corps has to do with this. Last I checked you didn't have to be an economist to get into the Marines.

We jump to the housing bubble now? The housing industry isn't regulated. Not sure what that Doctor's 43rd Book says, but it sounds like he should quit.

And which Gov is this, Bush? Or Goldman Sachs? I thought we were talking about Obama?


Without regulation, every Americans life would be total hell today, living in waste waters, chemicals in everything, foods, kids toys, cars, waste, everything would be... like China.

I will gladly take the Regulation we have.. It's exactly how our Gov was setup to run.


That's called an opinion. That clearly not everyone agrees with. I see things getting better all around me, every day. I don't see "everything" getting better, but lots of things are.


Yep.. clearly they are going off the already regulated system that competes with the private sector now. He has said that, they have talked about it, it's really clear.

Yep, I know what it does tax wise. I lived in Canada for two years and paid the taxes and they have private insurance too.


What does it matter if it has been cooling for the last 10 years? It's going to warm back up, without question.

It's just not humans doing it.



No, I'm down here in with reality. The one that says, we aren't going to change, things haven't changed, and will never change... until something extreme is introduced.

And what are the freedom of choice we have now? Last time I checked, being "forced" to pay prices that our Gov has no Control over is anything but freedom.


I think you mean 1% - 5% surtax people will pay, depending on factors. The top overall tax rate is 45% for people over 1 million.

And it will tax Companies that earn over 400k a year if they don't provide a decent Insurance solution. Don't forget that.

I accept the truth that without Social Gov Funded Programs our Country wouldn't be worth living in. I don't dream of a world without Taxes because that world would suck ass.

And I have no problem paying more taxes for health care, I did it in Canada and would gladly do it for my fellow Americans.

come come my little lying friend. did you think I wouldn't quote it?
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silly punk

Oh the joy of watching people try to judge a Presidency after six months
It's a 4 year term for a reason.

People who judge Presidents based on six months in office are like people who say the NFL team who had a great draft this year is about to win the Superbowl. Life has a longer time frame than pundits have.

I love watching liars try to wriggle off my hook.



yes, you want for the good of others...................as long as they live under your roof and its paid for by others.

so does the cost of the out of control spending done in the first 6 months.

The bulk of the expense of programs during these six months come from plans enacted by prior administrations. The current administration and Congress haven't even drafted a first budget yet. If you are upset about frivolous spending, go dig up Paulson.

Strange. The Iraq war has already cost us more than universal health care will. Paul Bremmer 'misplaced' BILLIONS of dollars in unmarked bills while mismanaging it. The poor management of Katrina caused billions or trillions of dollars in lost energy efficiency among other catastrophic expenses. I don't recall you being upset by any of that? So clearly it isn't simply a financial matter that has set you off because wasting trillions of dollars has not bothered you in recent years.

Untreated illnesses will kill far more Americans this year than terrorists will and that doesn't seem to bother you either. So it isn't a national security issue that has you set off on your latest maniacal emotional tyrade.

Oh wait, maybe it's just that you have no idea what you are speaking about....

deluded child, intelligent people don't excuse today's mismanagement because of past mismanagement.

Liking clowns does not make me a child. Many adults like clowns too!

Ronald Mc12clicks

no, your view of the world does.

You are not aware of what my view of the world is....
You are not aware of what anyone else thinks...
You are not aware...

Having a closed mind causes that ;)


Obama may fail, and if he does it will be obvious.... three years from now.
Until then, I am hopeful the country will be far better off 3 years from now than it is today and that it will be light-years better off than it was during the criminal regime we are now finally distancing ourselves from.

ahahahaha, sure kid.

1) Your reply doesn't even make sense...

2) Corps = Corporations ... "The housing industry isn't regulated." You have no idea what you're talking about... You need to do some research before you even attempt to debate with me. You're just dead wrong in that statement... and your attack on Sowell displays your problem perfectly. You aren't interested in the facts, if it doesn't support your own ideals, you immediately discredit it without even reading it! Here's a quick excerpt:

The Community Reinvestment Act of 1977, later given teeth during the Bush and Clinton administrations, forced financial institutions to make risky mortgage loans they otherwise would not have made. President Clinton's Attorney General Janet Reno threatened legal action against lenders whose racial statistics raised her suspicions. Bank loan qualification standards, in general, came under criticism as being too stringent regarding down payments, credit histories, and income. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, two government-sponsored enterprises, by lowering their standards for the kinds of mortgage paper they would purchase from banks and other mortgage lenders, gave financial institutions further incentive to make risky loans.

In 2002, the George W. Bush administration urged Congress to enact the American Dream Down Payment Assistance Act, which subsidized down payments of homebuyers whose income was below a certain level. Bush also urged Congress to pass legislation requiring the Federal Housing Administration to make zero-down-payment loans at low-interest rates to low income Americans. Between 2005 and 2007, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac acquired an estimated trillion-dollar's worth of subprime loans and guaranteed more than $2 trillion worth of mortgages. That, Sowell points out, is larger than the gross domestic product of all but four nations.

There were numerous warnings that went unheeded. In congressional hearings, U.S. Treasury Secretary John Snow said, regarding the risks assumed by Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, "The concern is, if something unravels, it could cause systemic risk to the whole financial system." Peter J. Wallison, American Enterprise Institute scholar, warned that if Congress did not rein in Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, "there will be a massive default with huge losses to the taxpayers and systemic effects on the economy."

There were many other warnings of pending collapse but Congress and the White House in their push for politically popular "affordable housing" ignored them. Congressman Barney Frank, who is now chairman of the House Committee on Financial Services, said critics "exaggerate a threat of safety" and "conjure up the possibility of serious financial losses to the Treasury, which I do not see." Chairman Chris Dodd, of the Senate Banking Committee, called Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac "one of the great success stories of all time" and urged "caution" in restricting their activities, out of fear of "doing great damage to what has been one of the great engines of economic success in the last 30 or 40 years."


3) You really believe that? Is that really how we all were before federal taxes? America grew at an astounding rate prior to the turn of the 20th century and continued to thrive when we had 1% federal taxes... it wasn't until the government began "smoothing macroeconomics" via massive taxing that we really started having issues. I could write a book just on this point and your lack of knowledge is quite apparent in this area. Seriously, do some homework first. Start here: http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-...es/ustax.shtml

4) Ignorance is bliss...

6) What? The vast majority of atmospheric scientists disagree with you... I'd trust them over you any day. You're acknowledging a point but still believing the propaganda?

7) Wow this is the end of this debate, you really have no idea what freedom is, I was correct in my original assumption. Your so called "reality"... is that the part where you ignore all the facts?

8) Again, do your homework, with the Bush administration tax cuts the current cap is 35%, that expires at the end of next year bringing the cap to 39.6%. Once again you're showing a complete disregard for the facts. You're not educated or informed on any area that you're arguing. Here I'll back up my claims, this article is referencing the proposed health care plan:

"The top federal tax rate currently stands at 35 percent, but Democrats have vowed to raise it to 39.6 percent next year, when cuts enacted during the Bush administration expire. Combined with other federal tax adjustments, the surtax could leave most taxpayers with annual incomes more than $350,000 facing top federal rates of at least 45 percent, said Robert Carroll, a senior fellow at the nonprofit Tax Foundation." -The Washington Post


On a final note, I leave you with this quote from James Madison, our fourth president and father of the Constitution of the United States:

"I cannot undertake to lay my finger on that article of the Constitution which granted a right to Congress of expending, on objects of benevolence, the money of their constituents."


And finally, something to illustrate your beliefs and put them into perspective. Your ideals are socialist whether you realize it or not:

Nineteenth-century historian Alexis de Tocqueville once observed, "Democracy and socialism have nothing in common but one word: equality. But notice the difference: while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in restraint and servitude."

You would place the country in servitude "for the greater good". Servitude in the form of working X% of the time for someone else, that's what taxes are. It is not the right of the government to redistribute wealth in any form. Man is not _required_ to pay for his fellow man.

James Madison also explained the constitutional limits on federal power in Federalist Paper No. 45: "The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined . . . [to] be exercised principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and foreign commerce."

We've strayed a loooooooong way from that concept and the vast majority of straying has happened in the past 80 years... That is why I say you have no concept of what freedom truly is.

Like I stated previously this hasn't just started happening with Obama but he's taking it to a whole new level pushing the government more towards socialism than ever before (with a lot of help from the Democrats [the new socialists]) and now towards Fascism as well. It's a dark time for liberty and freedom in the country and it's sad that most people, like you, don't even realize what's happening.

How old are you Mr. Mc12clicks?

75? 80? 91?

You honestly have no clue what you're talking about. This statement could not possibly be any farther from the truth. I don't think you've ever read the Constitution or the Bill of Rights let alone any other documents written by the ones who established this country.

Instead of doing some "homework" from biased sources, how about using your common sense? 3 major parties are at fault for the housing burst (listed in no particular order):

1) Government for allowing those ridiculous loans to take place to begin with.

2) Greedy corporations and employees for not better filtering applications based on their ability to payback the loans.

3) Stupid/indifferent borrowers applying for loans and living lifestyles that they can't afford or sustain.

To take blame off the borrowers is about as ridiculous as saying it's credit card companies' faults that people get into massive debt, or to blame gun companies for people shooting themselves (or other people). Sure there are exceptions where people are "tricked" into getting mortgages that they can't pay for, but by far and large, people believe what their desire and greed want them to believe, not what their brains determine to be sound judgment.

This about sums it up as to why Ron constantly starts these threads:

"I have been discriminated against more by Democrats than by Republicans. I have been shunned and mocked by Democrats, many of whom will not accept me as a gay man unless I fit into their neatly-packaged view of what a gay man is "supposed" to be. I have yet to encounter, on the other hand, a Republican who has rejected my presence in the party, shunned me on a personal level or refused to engage me on the issues.

I have come to understand on a very personal basis that the stereotypes and caricatures of the parties are no substitute for experiencing their members up close. I see that the "tolerance" and "compassion" of the left only extends as far as a person is willing to further their ideological worldview.

I am not 12clicks Ron, the gay man. I am 12clicks Ron, a man who just so happens to be gay. I believe that my chosen virtues and the actions that I take, not my un-chosen sexual orientation, defines me as a person. I am a man who chooses to think for himself and shape his life on his own terms.

I don't think that makes me so radical."

Did you even read what I wrote? The idea that every financial institution would go into a feeding frenzy of risky loans is ludicrous... that is all hype from the government and media with absolutely NO basis on fact. Lenders were FORCED into making a ton of high risk loans by the US government, please reread...

Prominent Democratic and Republican members of Congress and both President Clinton and President Bush put pressure on lending institutions to lower their credit rating standards; reduce the minimum down payment requirements (in a growing number of cases, to zero); and introduce short-term flexible monthly payment methods that would only increase later on. This was under the guise of equal opportunity.

The banks didn't want to lend that money, why would they? It's too risky... they knew that but didn't have a choice. Just go and read up, Google for housing bust and read what actual economists have to say both US and global... stop listening to your TV and read something from world experts once in a while...

I personally find it appalling that I have to go to international news sources to get an honest view of what's going on in this country...

EDIT: But I will agree... people had the choice of taking those loans or not, the burden is not completely on any one person. However the government was the largest facilitator, the companies were the conduit, and the people are the victims. Those subprime loans forced by the government went to low income families with 0% interest up front causing ballooning payments over time that they could never pay for. First time home owners in low income areas usually don't understand the full terms and conditions of a loan...

Obama does not even have a chance to recover America's problems in four years. Bush/other assholes fucked it up so bad that this is going to take a nation to unite and fix.

I do wish him luck though as it is very clear that he has the worst job on the planet.

Haha, what is this? Your response to saying you don't post proof of stuff?

Hey, un-American jackass... The point of proof was the spewing bullshit coming out of your mouth is never backed up with proof. Not proof that I think debt is real or not... You just don't ever get it do you, ohh.. that's because you can only think of.. you.

And our dept isn't real, dIt's called "credits" with an s... Obama extended all Americans Credits. Even Ron Paul said it. I'm not going to educate you, it would be like talking to a rock.



This isn't even the start of your stupidity in this post. But a great example to show the world.

FUCK OBAMA AND HIS SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST POLICIES

Every fucking bill that gets passed under this administration is stripping away your liberties and freedoms.


In a few years time when the country you once knew is forever changed to one of despotism and you no longer have any freedoms, it will be too fucking late for you to piss and moan that you supported him.


He has spent more money in 6 months than Bush did in 8 fucking years.
He has increased the size of our federal government and more than doubled its operating costs. How many fucking Czars is this fucking scumbag going to appoint? Czars whom answer to NO-ONE and to HIM ONLY, bypassing congress.. An unconstitutional move.


The government has taken control of various private sectors/industries. Won't be long before the government controls EVERYTHING including YOU AND EVERYTHING YOU CAN AND CAN NOT DO!

You're going to see HUGE changes this fall and into 2010.


These things are not his fault, for he is nothing more than an agent of those before him whom have planned all of this.. He is nothing more than a fucking mouthpiece pushing forward the agenda of those before him.


How can you actually stand up for and support a fucking president whom tells senate and congress to pass bills without reading them?

Look at all the bills they're RUSHING. I have been reading them, and the majority of them contain VERY SCARY IMPLICATIONS.

the man has been caught in 158 LIES!! He suffers from narcissistic personality disorder much like Hitler, Mao, Kim Jong Il & Stalin.. He does NOTHING unless it benefits HIM!

Selective quoting is about the only thing Republicans are good for.

They learn from the best...Fox News.

I'm done with your dumb ass too..

And based on your statement, I know now you have read nothing but rather get your information from the right wing media. Allllllllll that spewing they do, and nobody ever gives a number.

Listen... these are not regulations that changed the entire Industry. With the American Dream Down Payment Assistance Act, you're talking 200 million a year. At that, these aren't the people that failed in the mortgages.

The Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with this. Actually, under Bush it was weakened greatly and worked well under Clinton.

Of course we can forget the almost 80% of the loans that were "bad loans by banks" that had no federal supervision because the "bank" knew it was making bad loans... nobody was pushing it, they were following the money they thought would never end.

Way to much right ring radio for me.... you need some real education.


We talking about Regulation? Cause if you don't think we needed to regulated, say ... Kids Education from the way it was being ran.

Then you're fucking stupid. Are you from Texas by chance? Support the succession too?



Thank god.. atmospheric scientists don't have the correct education to make that deduction.

Are you 12 clicks brother? You stated an Opinion. Is that a reality you can comprehend? For me, I don't feel free having no choice, in more than one way when it comes to my fuel.



Delete the rest of that trash... I'm done with you. It's not like you "really" have a clue. Please, go back to listening your right wing radio shows and simply have a hate for Obama.

You're one of those great intelligent Americans that think we never needed anything that the Gov has done, and the states never abused any powers, and everything is and always was perfect, until he big bad fed stepped in.



I swear to god you get less collective stupidity on the Fox news board than I'm getting on GFY.

you are such a trouble maker

1) You wrote: "I don't expect him to stop everything I don't agree with. Then again, if I was him, I wouldn't veto everything either. No reason to put my life in danger if I actually want to help." Not understanding where life in danger comes into play at all... hence my confusion.

Also, please cite all of your statistics as I do. I give you the source so you can research yourself, I'm writing fact, not opinion and I cite major publications and accredited individuals who are experts in their field.

"The Community Reinvestment Act had nothing to do with this. Actually, under Bush it was weakened greatly and worked well under Clinton."

Please show me... articles, numbers, anything besides making a ridiculous claim.

The irresponsibility of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and those in Congress who pressured them to go out on this limb has been shown by their formal take over by the government and the huge sums of taxpayer's money that it has cost to maintain their solvency. Those two agencies had guaranteed over 50% of all home loans in America...

Another contributer? The Federal Reserve... they artificially held interest rates at an all time low further fueling this fire. The Fed has no business setting interest rates... let the company who do the lending control it. No one person or entity can say what a fair market interest rate is. It should be decided between the lender and the consumer. That power held by the fed is another way of government control over the economy and history will show... they have no clue what they're doing...


3&4) Government regulation on education is complete fail. Ask any teacher. Both my mother and sister are teachers. They both chose to teach in poverty stricken areas in Florida so that they can make the largest impact. Let's talk about standardized testing shall we? Ask any teacher how it's completely destroying their classrooms. Ask them how they compete against parents telling their kids to fail tests because if they do they get additional welfare money... and if the kids don't fail the test they're in for it when they get back. How about removing money from schools based on standardized testing? Did you know if one demographic of a school fails the entire school fails? That means less money for that school the next year.

I could go on and on about how privatizing education would be a much better system. Most people don't understand how it works though and I'd most likely just hear a bunch of nonsense about how not everyone would get education, which is completely outlandish and shows they don't know the first thing about how it would work. The current education system is awful. There's no incentives for teachers to do a better job. There's so many horrible tenured teachers out there that the schools can't get rid of. Privatizing creates competition, it becomes subject to the rules of capitalism. Better teachers get paid more (as they should be), students that excel regardless of race and gender would get better treatment, be able to skip through content faster and not be stuck in this "no child left behind" mayhem... like I said I could go on forever...

5) Wow ummm... they're the leading authority. We are talking about the Earth's atmosphere...


"Are you 12 clicks brother? You stated an Opinion. Is that a reality you can comprehend? For me, I don't feel free having no choice, in more than one way when it comes to my fuel."

What? So you want the government to take away all your choices and make them for you through regulation and taxation but you feel like you don't have any choice when it comes to your fuel? Did that statement just complain that you don't have enough fuel choices but you are for the cap and trade bill which causes the amount of choices you have to get smaller? Very contradictory...

I think I just got what you may have been talking about on more fuel choices...

Are you talking about clean energy? Like all electric cars, etc... If so there's only one company producing a car that's all electric, Tesla Motors. I wish I could afford one, I would buy one in a heartbeat.

The problem isn't that companies are with holding these mythical clean energy technologies. Because believe me, if someone had a practical solution right now and went to market with it. They'd be freakin rich! They'd have every company bending over backwards to implement whatever they were selling and I'm sure the government would give them massive amount of cash to ramp up production...

doc, run along.
you've been embarrassed by people who have a clue and exposed you for being a greedy little cocksucker who wants others to pay for what he wants.

man how people really swallow the right wing talking points is fucking scary.

I think you don't understand the concept of debt because you keep looking up "dept" in the dictionary.

please genius, tell the class what those talking points are that are being swallowed but that aren't true.

I would rather do biz with Doc any day over your sorry ass. Made some great duckets with his old program, the honest way. Which you know nothing about these days. Go beg for some cross sales with other shitty progs.

if Mccain would have won I would have moved

Hmm. Many Democrats have been bringing up the same issues. Have they fallen to O'Reilly?

Cleaning up the 8 year Bush disaster is quite a task, for sure. Two wars, financial system collapse, a debt that went from 5 trillion to 12 trillion under Bush imposes huge challenges on my man Obama, but we're better off with him than the old grouch and that naughty librarian dumb ass.

that should be a crime calling the president a COMMUNIST

hahaha, still hanging on the bottom rung, eh loser?

better than the gutter where you are with that dumb ass look of yours

no shit come back in 8 years and shit would be cheap buy a home get 1 free free gas if u will work 2 sports teams east and west etc.... maybe have 2 worry about rebel assaults on the gov.