understood Brujah .... but I am trying to make the point that content choice is just as much an integral part of the design as the background color and such :winkwink:

To paraphrase ... a racing team's whole performance could be greatly affected by their choice of tires that they use for the road conditions that day, the teperature .... many factors can have HUGE bearing on how well the team places ... not what color their racecar is .... lol :Graucho

I say the entry fee is 75$ -> which is used to buy 100k of traffic from choker.:2 cents:

Hmm.. shall I? :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Not a bad idea, but his traffic is 1 buck per 1000 unq's right? So perhaps buy 50k each and leave $25 for the jackpot?

:thumbsup

Ah but color and text and style has a big effect on sales. The color of a racecar is a totally different animal. Be careful with your wording, what you're seeming to say is that the gallery template design doesn't matter much and any amateur can with no skills can do the job, because it's the content and traffic that matters. ;)

Why go with a $100 per template designer when a $5 per template designer would do then ?

not at all Bro (Bru ??) :Graucho

I am saying that BOTH eliments compliment one another ..

the design alone will not guarantee sales .... nor will just good content ... it is like two part epoxy ... you NEED both parts :winkwink:

BTW ... if you are paying $100 for a template, you are getting fukked .... check out my sig ... even my regular price is only $50

but I think you were only trying to illustrate your point ..:winkwink:

i'm out if you're in. :(

I think -=HUNGRYMAN=-'s analogies are running away from him...

I agree that content is an integral part of the design, I originally wanted everyone to use they're own content but it has been suggested that we should all use the same content...I think the best solution would be for all the contestants to draw from a sponsor provided pool of pics.

As far as the design firm only thing...that rule is a bit much...I created this contest to set apart the men from the boys as far as people who consistently post in threads concerning their gallery design skills go. But I don't mind opening it up to anyone.

As far as the debate about racecar colors and what not...

One definition of the word Design is: "To create or contrive for a particular purpose or effect." The effect desired is signups...and thus content plays a huge role in this. But I don't think color scheme, theme, layout, etc...are simply icing on the cake.

However, that is the point of this contest...how much is too much...?

For shits and giggles I say we throw in a good ole 20 pic with banners above and below gallery as a control subject...:2 cents:

word.


It's on

:Graucho

Shall I draft the first go at the rules?

Yes, you deffinatly should. This is a terrific idea.


Hoax, what's your e-mail address?

YES and keep me posted please [email protected] I know what my galleries do :)~

Sounds great. How does one get in?
Here's an idea. To get a high traffic TGP, keep an entry fee but also have half (or 75%) of the pot go to the winner and the other percentage go to the TGP that fronts the listings!

Looking forward to this :)

Soooooooo????

Sounds interesting.

I like the idea of using chokers listings, large pool of tgps that way, everyone gets the same number of hits.

I personally think all the galleries should be on the same server, that way if anone gets downtime they all get downtime. Plus the 3rd party can have logs of incoming hits and such.

If you are using an entry fee, then why limit designers participation as long as their designs are done by them and not brokers. Who cares if they do 10 each or 1 each, if they rock then they will shine, if they suck it just increases the pot.

Maybe handle the content in a different fashion. Say we find a provider, then each entrant is allowed to pick a sets, or movies from that provider. Everyone is allowed the same amount to spend per gallery at that provider. This would allow a even field yet at the same time show their ability to pick and match content.

A sponsor could be tricky, I think everyone should be promoting the same sponsor though. This prevents the "scrubbing issue", and levels the field, yet still allows people to pick from a niche at that sponsor. Or limit the sites they can choose so everyone is in a main niche, nothing to specialized, hell if you want to see who comes up with the best design for sales, pick a saturated niche like teen. So the sponsor, niche, and site choice is out of the equation.

For design rules, hell if you use choker just make all galleries follow his submission guidelines.

Now as for the pot, why not make the pot all the sales that all the galleries do. Or do a portion for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd. Everyone uses the same refferal codes to one main site. If it is done that way though, best have 2 or 3 sponsors. Specially if using chokers rules since you can get away with so many ads. Yet everyone uses the same refferal codes for all sponsors. When the contest is over then the 3rd party dishes out the rewards from the sales all the sites made.


Thats my few cents.

If everyone sends traffic to the same sponsor account, it may be difficult to determine who make which sales. I have yet to find perfect sponsor stats, there's always no reffer sales. Especially if the program uses something like epoch, it would be impossible.

Scratch that epoch thing the sponsor would have to track urls to prevent people from cheating by sending traffic from other sources.


my :2 cents:

Too much work for too little return.

One idea tossed around another board a few years back was to get a group of ten or so webmasters that could all say send 10,000 hits a day to a site, with the idea being once they reached a high traffic volume they could THENstart sending out hits to programs.

Something I nearly got into two years ago was gathering a group of amateurs that ran their owm sites and then combining them into one large paysite. Multiple girls, women, couples . . . we had people that shot a lot of pictures and a lot of video, stories, chat etc. Sort of like what JD of the wetlands did, but on a more limited scale. With the varied traffic sources around here it could be done. One or two people would obviously have to control it, but it would sort of be a way to accumualte more TOTAL money for everyone if it was done right. Sales would be split by all that participate in an equitable manner, and the profits dumped back in for advertising and whatever costs encountered,

-=HOAX=-

I'll provide the hosting for you little contest at no charge, that way you don't have to worry about anyone messing with their logs, and you can check to make sure that no one sends any "extra" traffic to their page in order to boost sales :) Not that anyone here would do that, but just so that there is no hint of impropriety :1orglaugh

Just let me know when your ready.


Tim
:Graucho

Ok I really think this needs to happen...

What is the status behind it, I would love to see the results.
What is needed to get this going

Haha...you did it...


If you read back thru the thread that might help...


Otherwise we need

rules...that's the tough part...

a lil agreement that says no bitching allowed...

Content....I can get that...

hosting....I could probably also con someone into that

sponsor....there's no lack of those...

Entry fees...that's another tough one...

Designers...covered i'm sure...

there are a few demons to wrestle with...good luck...you bumped...its your problem now...


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....

kidding...i'm here to help with whatever you need.


email me [email protected]








OH YEAH....one other thing....we need prizes!

Give up already?

Hahahaha no I just went home from the office, so I am back at the computer...


Reading through the thread now...