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Half man, Half Amazing

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07-27-2009, 11:45 AM

if only those studios would get off their ass and send a fucking DMCA every now and then...

Tubes HOST content.
Sites like Rapishare HOST content.

Both of which take down content within hours of receiving a DMCA.

Studios are just lazy because sending a DMCA isn't nearly as exciting as hanging out with methed out pornstars and thinking you're a big ol' pimp daddy.

A fuckin' monkey could be trained to send DMCAs yet these 'millionaires' can't be bothered.

No wonder we're in this situation.

Clean your content off the tubes, forums, torrent sites, etc...then make these tube owners come to you for sponsored clips.

Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.
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07-27-2009, 12:10 PM

Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing

if only those studios would get off their ass and send a fucking DMCA every now and then...

Tubes HOST content.
Sites like Rapishare HOST content.

Both of which take down content within hours of receiving a DMCA.

Studios are just lazy because sending a DMCA isn't nearly as exciting as hanging out with methed out pornstars and thinking you're a big ol' pimp daddy.

A fuckin' monkey could be trained to send DMCAs yet these 'millionaires' can't be bothered.

No wonder we're in this situation.

Clean your content off the tubes, forums, torrent sites, etc...then make these tube owners come to you for sponsored clips.

That doesn't really represent the problem in its entirety. In theory, it'd be wonderful if your solution worked, but in reality it's only partly true.

Are there lazy studio owners who can't be bothered to police their content? Yes, but even if many of them took the time to mess w/DMCA requests it's still a losing battle.

You argument assumes every tube/torrent/forum honors or complies with a DMCA request. Many do not, and it only takes 1 that doesn't to ruin things. Say I run the one tube that doesn't care. You can notice me all day long, which costs you money and me nothing, and I laugh at you and your silly American DMCA. I also don't have the operating expense the other tubes do because I don't have to monitor and remove material, so I'm therefore likely going to be the biggest tube eventually, with more illegal content than anyone else.

Even if we play out your argument, let's assume you're right. One day miraculously every single studio that has ever made an adult video begins to DMCA the tubes... so it's just a few weeks before they'll all be gone right? The big bad tubes will simply close up shop and quit because... they've been DMCA'd to death??

Again, I agree with your point on the surface, that more involvement from the studios/producers in diligent content "policing" would help the problem. It's just that at this stage in the game, the cancer has spread so far and so deep, treatment is not likely going to help and sadly...there is no cure.

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07-27-2009, 01:07 PM

Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing

if only those studios would get off their ass and send a fucking DMCA every now and then...

Tubes HOST content.
Sites like Rapishare HOST content.

Both of which take down content within hours of receiving a DMCA.

Studios are just lazy because sending a DMCA isn't nearly as exciting as hanging out with methed out pornstars and thinking you're a big ol' pimp daddy.

A fuckin' monkey could be trained to send DMCAs yet these 'millionaires' can't be bothered.

No wonder we're in this situation.

Clean your content off the tubes, forums, torrent sites, etc...then make these tube owners come to you for sponsored clips.

We use content removal services and police our own content, but instead of spending my time and money on running down 1000's DMCA's -- why don't these fuckers stop posting content THEY KNOW IS NOT THEIRS?

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07-27-2009, 05:58 PM

That'll never happen Jay because they don't care that they don't own it. You're expecting ethics from thieves.

As far as Gunner:
Name me a tube site that doesn't respond to DMCAs. So far every tube I've ever sent a DMCA to has responded and taken action.

Name me a file hosting site (Rapidshare-esque) that doesn't respond to DMCAs. They all do. They want that Safe Harbor protection.

So what does that leave? Torrent sites. So far I've only found a handful that don't respond (Pirate Bay being the biggest). Perhaps you haven't been watching the news recently but Pirate Bay has some bigger problems on their hands than my DMCAs, they're facing a year in jail and a 3 million dollar fine, not to mention selling the site. So let Hollywood go after the ones that don't respond to DMCAs. The harder thieves resist, the harder the rule of law will crack down on them.

Here's the other problem with your thinking. You're also assuming that the average internet user will embrace torrent as the predominant way to to get porn (since tubes and forums do respond to DMCA). It's not AS easy as clicking PLAY on a tube site, and there is no financial incentive like there is with rapidshare. Your average internet user knows how to click PLAY, but there is no instant gratification with torrent sites. People have been able to get free porn from usenet for seemingly ever, but it never caught on with the masses, nothing did until the tubes came along.

Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.
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07-27-2009, 06:03 PM

Originally posted by xxxjay

We use content removal services and police our own content, but instead of spending my time and money on running down 1000's DMCA's -- why don't these fuckers stop posting content THEY KNOW IS NOT THEIRS?

because if they did that and only used content they produced or bought. it would be alot less profitable.
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07-27-2009, 06:06 PM

Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing

That'll never happen Jay because they don't care that they don't own it. You're expecting ethics from thieves.

As far as Gunner:
Name me a tube site that doesn't respond to DMCAs. So far every tube I've ever sent a DMCA to has responded and taken action.

Name me a file hosting site (Rapidshare-esque) that doesn't respond to DMCAs. They all do. They want that Safe Harbor protection.

So what does that leave? Torrent sites. So far I've only found a handful that don't respond (Pirate Bay being the biggest). Perhaps you haven't been watching the news recently but Pirate Bay has some bigger problems on their hands than my DMCAs, they're facing a year in jail and a 3 million dollar fine, not to mention selling the site. So let Hollywood go after the ones that don't respond to DMCAs. The harder thieves resist, the harder the rule of law will crack down on them.

Here's the other problem with your thinking. You're also assuming that the average internet user will embrace torrent as the predominant way to to get porn (since tubes and forums do respond to DMCA). It's not AS easy as clicking PLAY on a tube site, and there is no financial incentive like there is with rapidshare. Your average internet user knows how to click PLAY, but there is no instant gratification with torrent sites. People have been able to get free porn from usenet for seemingly ever, but it never caught on with the masses, nothing did until the tubes came along.

The problem is lets say you get your content taken off the Tube site, but there are 95% others who does not even try so Tubes are still going to be in biz.

DMCA let people off the hook very easy...you send a note, they take it out and that's it, but no one seem to pay for the actual copyright infringement which carries large financial panalities and jail time.
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07-27-2009, 06:36 PM

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07-27-2009, 07:11 PM

Originally posted by tony404

because if they did that and only used content they produced or bought. it would be alot less profitable.

So true.

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07-27-2009, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by jay23

The problem is lets say you get your content taken off the Tube site, but there are 95% others who does not even try so Tubes are still going to be in biz.

That's exactly the problem. Now what if you flipped the numbers...what if 95% of studios actually policed their content and 5% didn't. Would we be having this conversation?

Is this gonna get ugly, now? Huh? I hope not. Because I thought what we were here, racial differences notwithstanding, was just a couple of old friends. You know, just both of us Californians.
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07-27-2009, 08:18 PM

Are there any bills and whatnot coming through the US judicial system that may deal with any of these issues? I find it hard to believe that the country who profits the most off of creative media has absolutely nothing to say about all this rampant stealing and lost revenue.
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07-27-2009, 09:40 PM

Originally posted by jay23

The problem is lets say you get your content taken off the Tube site, but there are 95% others who does not even try so Tubes are still going to be in biz.

We are internet people, so (most of us) know what the DMCA is. However, if you are some DVD guy who went out of business 2 years ago, you are just wondering why your movies are there and how the fuck they got there.

A poorly written DMCA is no excuse for theft.

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07-28-2009, 11:00 AM

Originally posted by Half man, Half Amazing

That's exactly the problem. Now what if you flipped the numbers...what if 95% of studios actually policed their content and 5% didn't. Would we be having this conversation?

So it's simple. If everyone would police their content and all the tubes, as you say, honor 100% of the remove requests... problem solved. Yet, at what point doesn't it just become a vicious circle?

Every program increases their staff with a full-time DMCA guy who has the daunting task of locating all of that program's pirated content and sending DMCA notices to the hundreds of illegal tubes. Then the tubes just sit around all day waiting constantly uploading new material, waiting to be DMCAd and take it down, just to have a different tube uploading more stuff tomorrow. That process repeats over and over and....

Would what you're suggesting help? Yes, to some degree it would and I support what you're saying wholeheartedly. Studios should be doing more. That said, suggesting producer negligence or their lack of diligence in content theft monitoring and sending DMCA notices would somehow alleviate the entire situation, really underestimates the magnitude of it all. DMCA does help to a very small degree, but it is not the answer and it will not solve the problem alone.

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07-28-2009, 12:44 PM

Originally posted by GUNNER

So it's simple. If everyone would police their content and all the tubes, as you say, honor 100% of the remove requests... problem solved. Yet, at what point doesn't it just become a vicious circle?

Every program increases their staff with a full-time DMCA guy who has the daunting task of locating all of that program's pirated content and sending DMCA notices to the hundreds of illegal tubes. Then the tubes just sit around all day waiting constantly uploading new material, waiting to be DMCAd and take it down, just to have a different tube uploading more stuff tomorrow. That process repeats over and over and....

Kind of like bailing water out of a leaky boat.... a verrrry leaky boat

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07-28-2009, 02:20 PM

Agreed Gunner, it's not a complete solution. It's going to take something legislative (and not just in the US). Wonder how many studios would like a do-over on the "Secondary Producer" exemption on 2257? That exemption made it where retail stores wouldn't have to keep proof-of-age records, and neither do tubes.

If the legislature won't help us, then we gotta make the tube sites play ball. Until any of them actually pick up a camera and shoot their own content, they are dependent upon us for content. Right now we're giving it to them for free and it's an unlimited license. Change that and make them need to cooperate with us.

And someone should let Tony Perkins and the Family Research Council know that little Johnny can type in a tube site address and be watching german scat or Traci Lords porn within a few seconds...let's use the Christian Right to our advantage.

Last edited by Half man, Half Amazing; 07-28-2009, 02:22 PM.

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07-29-2009, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Mutt

that's the only thing that would work but nobody has the nads to do it. old school porn biz operated that way from what I've read.

there are plenty Mutt. It's all about timing, however.
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