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  • $5 submissions
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    • Nov 2003
    • 32195

    #1

    Google's biggest gamble to date = flameout?

    http://online.barrons.com/article/SB...483025477.html

    Interesting article on Google's Chrome OS and the challenges it faces in putting a dent on Microsoft's OS marketshare.

    Note the observation about Bing...
  • Farang
    one sick puppy
    • Oct 2004
    • 11718

    #2
    Google vs. Microsoft, place your bets.
    fbm

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    • Hank_Heartland
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      • Sep 2002
      • 3987

      #3
      Originally posted by Farang
      Google vs. Microsoft, place your bets.
      Microsoft hands down
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      • dready
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        • Oct 2002
        • 5247

        #4
        Google is going to take its sweet time. Android and Chrome are just the tip of the wedge.
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        • Serge Litehead
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          • Dec 2002
          • 5190

          #5
          Google knows data management like no one else, they have technological infrastructure and i'm sure know how to optimize it well, they have exposure and their OS will be licensed open source for major developers. - all of this is a huge advantage at their fingertips. will be fair and adequate competition for MS

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          • seeandsee
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            #6
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            • raymor
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              • Oct 2002
              • 3745

              #7
              Originally posted by $5 submissions
              Note the observation about Bing...
              What they didn't mention is how MS is driving traffic to Bing - by advertising on Google.
              Any bets that Google is charging MS big bucks to send them crappy traffic that Google
              already knows the true value of? The word "bing" is defined by dictionary.com as "a heap
              or pile". I'd like to ask MS "Bing is a heaping pile of what, exactly?"

              The author of the article also seems to be missing the point of Chrome OS. Chrome OS
              isn't designed to be like Windows. That concept was nice in 1987, but it's 22 years later
              and Google thinks it's time for a new concept. My brother expressed the idea well close
              to ten years ago. He had asked me how big my hard drive was, and was a little surprised
              when he found out it wasn't huge. Then he had a realization - "the internet IS your drive",
              he said. Exactly. Chrome OS, designed for netbooks, doesn't need 2GB of RAM to run
              bloated office software - the browser runs Google Docs, which provides your spreadsheets,
              word processor, etc. There's no need for anything like Outlook to run on the computer - you
              have gmail in the browser. The main purpose of the OS is just to run the browser - everything
              else happens on line. Take 5 minutes to launch MS Streets and Trips? No thanks,
              Google maps is better and faster - and free. With the Google OS approach, the software
              is all free, so that saves hundreds of dollars. Most of the software runs on their servers,
              not on the netbook, so a $200 netbook is all you need rather than GBs of RAM for Windows.
              Software updates, dependencies, all of those hassles are gone when the software is a web site.
              So the Google approach makes the computer faster, cheaper, and less hassle.

              There are a few things you'll want to do locally, like plug in your MP3 player and transfer music.
              That's no problem. I've been running Linux exclusively for many years and Linux can do
              everything I need to do - without Google having even touched it yet. All Google, Acer, and
              other partners need to do is smooth over a few of the minor rough spots.

              There is one and only one reason I've ever run any MS software in the last ten years - to see
              it's bugs. Someone tells me there is a bug in IE7 where it doesn't render our graphs correctly,
              so I launch IE7 only to deal with it's bugs. 99.9% of users don't WANT bugs, so they have no
              need for MS software, if you give them the better options presented in a way that makes sense
              to them. Even those two times each year that I launch IE, I still do that within Linux.

              The challenge for Google isn't to be more like Windows, but to present the new system to
              users in way that makes it easy to use. The user who wants to work on a spreadsheet will
              initially go to the programs menu, then the office sub-menu. There had better be an entry
              for "Google Spreadsheets" there.
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              • slapass
                Too lazy to set a custom title
                • Nov 2002
                • 14625

                #8
                I like the idea but lets face it, everything you get is ms office format or pdf these days. The article claims the small computers aren't selling with out vista and I had heard otherwise. I am curious to know which is true?

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                • undersoul
                  Confirmed User
                  • Sep 2006
                  • 1212

                  #9
                  if anyone can it's google. they have the power, money, knowledge and name recognition to make this a real challenge.
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                  • Juicy D. Links
                    So Fucking Banned
                    • Apr 2001
                    • 122992

                    #10
                    Microsoft needs to pile more resources on to the "Beat Google" project. Not just money but more technology and really squeeze their network advantage HARD.

                    If Microsoft doesn't get its shit together QUICK, it'll be curtain in 5 years or earlier. Really. No joke. The tech marketplace works based on "network effect"--quick cascading exponential effect.

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                    • DateDoc
                      Outside looking in.
                      • Feb 2005
                      • 14243

                      #11
                      It will be one hell of a fight. HP, Lenovo, Acer and a few others have already been working on Chrome OS with Google. The advantages that Google have - it is open source and free. If HP offers a Chrome OS version of their computers how much cheaper will the be than the ones running Windows?

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                      • PSD CSS XHTML
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                        • Mar 2009
                        • 546

                        #12
                        I think Google is going to blow us away real soon. I also thought the Wii was a ridiculous idea that wouldn't sell.

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                        • fuzebox
                          making it rain
                          • Oct 2003
                          • 22353

                          #13
                          Originally posted by slapass
                          I like the idea but lets face it, everything you get is ms office format or pdf these days.
                          These are just file formats. Lots of open source software have been able to read these for 10 years.

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                          • bronco67
                            Too lazy to set a custom title
                            • Dec 2006
                            • 29032

                            #14
                            Originally posted by raymor
                            What they didn't mention is how MS is driving traffic to Bing - by advertising on Google.
                            Any bets that Google is charging MS big bucks to send them crappy traffic that Google
                            already knows the true value of? The word "bing" is defined by dictionary.com as "a heap
                            or pile". I'd like to ask MS "Bing is a heaping pile of what, exactly?"

                            The author of the article also seems to be missing the point of Chrome OS. Chrome OS
                            isn't designed to be like Windows. That concept was nice in 1987, but it's 22 years later
                            and Google thinks it's time for a new concept. My brother expressed the idea well close
                            to ten years ago. He had asked me how big my hard drive was, and was a little surprised
                            when he found out it wasn't huge. Then he had a realization - "the internet IS your drive",
                            he said. Exactly. Chrome OS, designed for netbooks, doesn't need 2GB of RAM to run
                            bloated office software - the browser runs Google Docs, which provides your spreadsheets,
                            word processor, etc. There's no need for anything like Outlook to run on the computer - you
                            have gmail in the browser. The main purpose of the OS is just to run the browser - everything
                            else happens on line. Take 5 minutes to launch MS Streets and Trips? No thanks,
                            Google maps is better and faster - and free. With the Google OS approach, the software
                            is all free, so that saves hundreds of dollars. Most of the software runs on their servers,
                            not on the netbook, so a $200 netbook is all you need rather than GBs of RAM for Windows.
                            Software updates, dependencies, all of those hassles are gone when the software is a web site.
                            So the Google approach makes the computer faster, cheaper, and less hassle.

                            There are a few things you'll want to do locally, like plug in your MP3 player and transfer music.
                            That's no problem. I've been running Linux exclusively for many years and Linux can do
                            everything I need to do - without Google having even touched it yet. All Google, Acer, and
                            other partners need to do is smooth over a few of the minor rough spots.

                            There is one and only one reason I've ever run any MS software in the last ten years - to see
                            it's bugs. Someone tells me there is a bug in IE7 where it doesn't render our graphs correctly,
                            so I launch IE7 only to deal with it's bugs. 99.9% of users don't WANT bugs, so they have no
                            need for MS software, if you give them the better options presented in a way that makes sense
                            to them. Even those two times each year that I launch IE, I still do that within Linux.

                            The challenge for Google isn't to be more like Windows, but to present the new system to
                            users in way that makes it easy to use. The user who wants to work on a spreadsheet will
                            initially go to the programs menu, then the office sub-menu. There had better be an entry
                            for "Google Spreadsheets" there.
                            So I'm supposed to rely on the internet to run my OS, when I already have to wait 2 minutes just to buffer a stupid faceplant vid on YouTube?

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                            • Quagmire
                              Confirmed User
                              • Jul 2005
                              • 6490

                              #15
                              Originally posted by raymor
                              What they didn't mention is how MS is driving traffic to Bing - by advertising on Google.
                              Any bets that Google is charging MS big bucks to send them crappy traffic that Google
                              already knows the true value of? The word "bing" is defined by dictionary.com as "a heap
                              or pile". I'd like to ask MS "Bing is a heaping pile of what, exactly?"

                              The author of the article also seems to be missing the point of Chrome OS. Chrome OS
                              isn't designed to be like Windows. That concept was nice in 1987, but it's 22 years later
                              and Google thinks it's time for a new concept. My brother expressed the idea well close
                              to ten years ago. He had asked me how big my hard drive was, and was a little surprised
                              when he found out it wasn't huge. Then he had a realization - "the internet IS your drive",
                              he said. Exactly. Chrome OS, designed for netbooks, doesn't need 2GB of RAM to run
                              bloated office software - the browser runs Google Docs, which provides your spreadsheets,
                              word processor, etc. There's no need for anything like Outlook to run on the computer - you
                              have gmail in the browser. The main purpose of the OS is just to run the browser - everything
                              else happens on line. Take 5 minutes to launch MS Streets and Trips? No thanks,
                              Google maps is better and faster - and free. With the Google OS approach, the software
                              is all free, so that saves hundreds of dollars. Most of the software runs on their servers,
                              not on the netbook, so a $200 netbook is all you need rather than GBs of RAM for Windows.
                              Software updates, dependencies, all of those hassles are gone when the software is a web site.
                              So the Google approach makes the computer faster, cheaper, and less hassle.

                              There are a few things you'll want to do locally, like plug in your MP3 player and transfer music.
                              That's no problem. I've been running Linux exclusively for many years and Linux can do
                              everything I need to do - without Google having even touched it yet. All Google, Acer, and
                              other partners need to do is smooth over a few of the minor rough spots.

                              There is one and only one reason I've ever run any MS software in the last ten years - to see
                              it's bugs. Someone tells me there is a bug in IE7 where it doesn't render our graphs correctly,
                              so I launch IE7 only to deal with it's bugs. 99.9% of users don't WANT bugs, so they have no
                              need for MS software, if you give them the better options presented in a way that makes sense
                              to them. Even those two times each year that I launch IE, I still do that within Linux.

                              The challenge for Google isn't to be more like Windows, but to present the new system to
                              users in way that makes it easy to use. The user who wants to work on a spreadsheet will
                              initially go to the programs menu, then the office sub-menu. There had better be an entry
                              for "Google Spreadsheets" there.
                              Your post would be reasonable if everyone had the same bandwidth available and consistent access. A lot of people globally are still on dialup.

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                              • porndotnet
                                Confirmed User
                                • Nov 2008
                                • 317

                                #16
                                Google & Apple just need to fuck already and make a baby and name it Gopple... lol

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                                • pornguy
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                                  • Mar 2003
                                  • 62912

                                  #17
                                  In the long run it will come down to who can make it into the companies that actually BUILD/SELL the computers.
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                                  • Juicy D. Links
                                    So Fucking Banned
                                    • Apr 2001
                                    • 122992

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by porndotnet
                                    Google & Apple just need to fuck already and make a baby and name it Gopple... lol
                                    You are DEAD ON about this--Google cannot take on Microsoft alone. It needs Apple to do it. Together they can topple Microsoft. Good luck with that.

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                                    • mynameisjim
                                      Confirmed User
                                      • Aug 2007
                                      • 2985

                                      #19
                                      First off, Microsoft is already going to launch products to compete with Google's offerings.

                                      http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1c2cfb40-6...44feabdc0.html

                                      So Microsoft is not behind the times here at all.

                                      Second, people underestimate how incredibly hard it is to dethrone Microsoft because they have such a huge installed base of customers. It works like this. Even if Google came out with a product that was a million times better than anything Microsoft offered, Microsoft could come out with a similar product faster than the marketplace would adopt Google's new offering. They simply can't lose on a product by product basis no matter what Google comes out. Google would have to come out with product, after product, after product, that beats Microsoft to even make a dent.

                                      I'm not an Microsoft fanboy, but Microsoft has a huge advantage.
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                                      • Juicy D. Links
                                        So Fucking Banned
                                        • Apr 2001
                                        • 122992

                                        #20
                                        Reading this thread is like watching a Boxing match. We're still in Round 2, guys. 10 more rounds to go. Now if Apple and Yahoo jumped in the ring and helped Google fuck Microsoft up kinda like WWF, it would be awesome LOLllllllllllllllllllllllll

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                                        • mynameisjim
                                          Confirmed User
                                          • Aug 2007
                                          • 2985

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Juicy D. Links
                                          Reading this thread is like watching a Boxing match. We're still in Round 2, guys. 10 more rounds to go. Now if Apple and Yahoo jumped in the ring and helped Google fuck Microsoft up kinda like WWF, it would be awesome LOLllllllllllllllllllllllll
                                          LOL. The hot anchor chicks from CNBC could be the ring girls. Now that's a business channel I would watch.
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                                          • mmcfadden
                                            So Fucking Banned
                                            • Oct 2008
                                            • 5099

                                            #22
                                            lets just hope goo dies and bing becomes the new means for search engines

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                                            • GrouchyAdmin
                                              Now choke yourself!
                                              • Apr 2006
                                              • 12085

                                              #23
                                              It amazes me how some people still go out of their way to kiss Google's ass. Chrome is WebKit - wow, it's almost Safari with threads and a halfassed ECMAscript. Woop-de-fucking do.

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                                              • digifan
                                                The Profiler
                                                • Oct 2002
                                                • 14618

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by porndotnet
                                                Google & Apple just need to fuck already and make a baby and name it Gopple... lol
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                                                • dissipate
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                                                  • Nov 2005
                                                  • 8904

                                                  #25
                                                  I love uninformed opinions.

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                                                  • V_RocKs
                                                    Damn Right I Kiss Ass!
                                                    • Nov 2003
                                                    • 32449

                                                    #26
                                                    Will work for surfers... But professionals would never use it.

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                                                    • lofasz
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                                                      • Oct 2008
                                                      • 120

                                                      #27
                                                      Methinks corporate users would welcome a more secure thin client ala Google Chrome. Lower cost, less risk of loss of sensitive data, higher security, and lower licensing fees from using web apps instead of being raped for licenses of office.

                                                      Either way should be a good fight, Google with an OS market share of 0 (zero) can only go up, MS with a desktop market share over 70% can only go down.
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                                                      • HomerSimpson
                                                        Too lazy to set a custom title
                                                        • Sep 2005
                                                        • 13826

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by lofasz
                                                        Either way should be a good fight, Google with an OS market share of 0 (zero) can only go up, MS with a desktop market share over 70% can only go down.
                                                        true, true..
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