Roswell Crash

[Fletch XXX]

Do you believe something crashed in 1947?

[Daymare]

[Fletch XXX]

I just watched an interview of the pilots who claim to have flown the bodies recovered in the crash to Fort Worth. Also interviewed the daughter of the military man who 'cleaned' the crash site.

[theking]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Do you believe something crashed in 1947?

Something? Yes.

[Basher]

Yeah my fucking spectrum

[ColKurtz]

Yes, but it wasnt aliens. The government was testing some thing that had to do with testing nuclear weapons or something. I forget what it was, I'd have to look it up.


I personally dont believe that aliens have visited this planet. All the ufo sightings and stuff are just shit the government is testing.

They tested planes like the blackbird and the stealth shit for years before they came public with it. If you saw a stealth jet without knowning what it was, what do think it would be?

Those are just a couple examples of planes that the public was eventually made aware of. Who knows what kind of crazy shit they are testing that they have never came public with.

[JFK]

Originally posted by Basher
Yeah my fucking spectrum

What about your rectum?? Where you anal probed by aliens ??

[Wenchy]

Yes, I do believe.

And it infuriates me to think that the government covered it up not because of national defense or anything nearly that noble... the don't want to upset the religious folks with the idea that maybe "god" wasn't responsible after all. So much for the separation of church and state... bah humbug

[theking]

An alien spaceship? No.

[Fletch XXX]

The people of the 509th were the only Atomic Unit.

Are you saying the men who wore the United State Uniform are lying?

These are our own military, finally talking after 50 years.

And, the daughter says it was not until her fathers death bed that he told her what 'he saw' - he was the Military Officer who supervised the crash clean up. And promised Truman he would never speak of it again.

I find it hard to toss out these peoples experience.

How more credible could they be?

I don't know what it was, but Id like to believe there is <i>something</i> to it.

[theking]

Originally posted by Fletch XXX
The people of the 509th were the only Atomic Unit.

Are you saying the men who wore the United State Uniform are lying?

These are our own military, finally talking after 50 years.

And, the daughter says it was not until her fathers death bed that he told her what 'he saw' - he was the Military Officer who supervised the crash clean up. And promised Truman he would never speak of it again.

I find it hard to toss out these peoples experience.

How more credible could they be?

I don't know what it was, but Id like to believe there is <i>something</i> to it.

Why would their credibility be any better than those in uniform that presented a different explanation? Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary proof.

[Basher]

what about crop circles WTF is that all about? alot are fake sure but some are too complex and appear over night

[Fletch XXX]

I agree about the proof.

Have you read anything on 'Operation Blue Book?'

[[The Leader]]

It deffinatly wasn't a fucking weather baloon, that's for sure.

[EscortBiz]

Since 1980 there have been over 25 Million crashes click here

[doobster]

Whether or not aliens exist...I dunno I have seen so many documentaries on Roswell. I just want the gov't to release the "official" documents. Plus they should be unclassified now because it has been over 50 years.

[doobster]

Originally posted by EscortBiz
Since 1980 there have been over 25 Million crashes click here

thats a good one

[Fletch XXX]

Check this.

I just watched this guy bring up this picture on his computer.

And since its such an olf photo by a photographer they can zoom in and actually read whats on General Rameys letter he is holding in the famous 'Weather Balloon' pics.... well I just saw this guy zoom in and it clearly fucking legible.

hahaha

nice.

http://www.rense.com/general5/ramey.htm

thats the order for Ramey to make the 'Weather balloon' claim.

[Fletch XXX]

http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/roswell5.htm

[Phoenix]

Well i do believe something crashed into the earth...however i dont believe it had any life on it..at least not anything above a microorganism...

lets look at it...
and hold a few things true...first...there is intelligent life somewhere in our galaxy...and further within our universe


So:
1) we are so far way from other solar systems that an unmanned spacecraft is most likely the only thing that could make it across the distance

2) it is most likely an unmanned spacecraft which crashed at roswell..if anything at all

on the other hand, if there exists a race of intelligent beings somewhere else...they may have developed methods of travel which we are only beginning to look at...The Einstein-rosenburg tunnel for instance...if so...then yes we could have been visited countless times as it would take zero travel time to reach us

just my two cents...

[UnseenWorld]

I seriously doubt that if anything crashed it was an "alien spacecraft"! Given the interplanetary distances (much less intergalactic distances!), interstellar travel would be about as close to impossible as we can imagine. If you could travel AT the speed of light (in itself impossible for reasons any physicist would affirm) the trip would take nearly 9 years (it's 4.3 light years each way). Much more likely would be travel at something like, say, 1/5 the speed of light, in which case we're talking the better part of a half century. I'm not sure we'd want to meet beings who could give up that much time for a jaunt to our planet. And for what good purpose would they be coming. I know the Star Trekkies will argue that "any civilization that advanced will be bound to be advanced in terms of ethics, too." Maybe, but maybe they have been watching the wrong program, too. When WWII started, Nazi Germany had a scientific and intellectual community that was probably more advanced than the rest of the world (though the rest of the world quickly caught up out of necessity). This didn't keep the worst elements of their society from taking hold and doing incredible damage. There is no guarantee that a form of life so advanced that it could solve the problems of interstellar flight would even recognize us as anything but a low form of life not due much consideration at all. And that's even if we would look like "life" to them at all!

[Fletch XXX]

I just saw the guy use those photos and simply zoom in and I could clearly read the General's orders on the paper.

The photo speaks.

Will we debate the pics the Army used as its official 'weather balloon' release?

Its their own press release being used against them.

This is all new. The research is only 2 months old.

hard to debate pictures.

[ColKurtz]

this is the explanation I believe

"In July of 1947, something crashed in the desert on a ranch near Corona, New Mexico. Debris from the crash was taken from the site to Roswell Army Air Field (RAAF). Initially, the Air Force announced that they had found a "flying disc" (the country was in the throws of a major UFO wave at the time). After consulting with Air Force authorities in Texas, it was announced that what had actually been found was a weather balloon with an attached radar reflector. Rumors of a crashed alien craft and a subsequent government cover-up flourished. Recently, the Air Force released a report saying that what had actually crashed was a spy balloon being used to record atmospheric shock from Russian nuclear tests. Nonetheless, many still believe that an alien craft crashed in 1947. "

[wouncie]

I believe it fa sho!

[Fletch XXX]

I could clearly make out the phrase involving

'victims'

if it was a balloon, why were there victims?

[Fletch XXX]

and it clearly read

'b-29 to Fort Worth.'

so many lines were legible it was easy zoomed in.

http://www.rense.com/general5/ramey.htm

I wouldnt believe this shit if I hadnt just watched this guy do it.

It really does say all that shit

hjahah

[Socks]

As humans, if we found a planet with lights on it all over the place, and then sent an unmanned beacon ship to gather more evidence into the atmosphere, and saw that it wasn´t shot down immediately, the first thing we´d try to do is make contact. Why any other race with flying ship capabilities would not want to make contact with us is absurd.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Socks
As humans, if we found a planet with lights on it all over the place, and then sent an unmanned beacon ship to gather more evidence into the atmosphere, and saw that it wasn´t shot down immediately, the first thing we´d try to do is make contact. Why any other race with flying ship capabilities would not want to make contact with us is absurd.

It may be absurd in the sense that a lot of things that are facts don't make sense. If there is a "they," they could be sending probes or ships our way for all kinds of different reasons, some good, some bad.

We haven't even made a lot of effort to explore intelligence we just recently discovered on our own planet, and which we would find much more easy to understand. Gorillas can learn and use sign language, and through this we have discovered that they have human-like emotions (love and loss and enjoying playing jokes, for example). Parrots can form meaningful sentences and display knowledge of what we "earth people" call concepts (color, shape, "grab the red circle," etc.).

You give us (and by extention extraterrestrial species) far too much credit. You've been watching too much Star Trek.

[Fletch XXX]

Any of you going to watch 'Taken' tonight?

I am.

http://scifi.com/

[nocostporn]

Fletch have a pic of the photo? zoomed in or not I havent seen either

[Fletch XXX]

heres the interviews I just watched.

http://www.scifi.com/roswellcrash/

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by nocostporn
Fletch have a pic of the photo? zoomed in or not I havent seen either

http://www.nicap.dabsol.co.uk/roswell5.htm

There were 6 photos released.

I cant find any big clear ones on the net.

The show had a big blown up copy of it.

[Fletch XXX]

http://ebe.allwebco.com/Sections/Ros...ographer.shtml

http://www.v-j-enterprises.com/jbond.html

[Fletch XXX]

Superhard to debate reported facts and recorded events.

http://www.scifi.com/roswellcrash/do...s/timeline.pdf

Thats is the best Timeline available on the Roswell events.

Things happened, and things were reported.

In the end, everyone involved in those photographs and under Marcel were sworn to secrecy on July 11 1947.

They have held their tongues since.

If there was nothing to hide, why sworn to secrecy?

Check the timelines, its awesome.

PDF required.

http://www.scifi.com/roswellcrash/do...s/timeline.pdf

[Fletch XXX]

Will a group of Nuns be telling a lie?

'Several nuns, while scanning the night sky atop St mary's Hospital in Roswell report seeing a flaming object falling to earth.They recorded the event in their nightly log'

hehehe

[Scootermuze]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld
I seriously doubt that if anything crashed it was an "alien spacecraft"! Given the interplanetary distances (much less intergalactic distances!), interstellar travel would be about as close to impossible as WE can imagine. ............

"we" being the key word here...
It could be that there is other life out there that has knowledge and abilities that we couldn't come close to comprehending. All we know is what we on Earth have learned through our own processes and intellect.

Nobody knows how long the universe has existed.. nor what other galaxies may have insofar as life forms.. probably not as has been portrayed with 2 eyes, 2 arms, and human-like.. They could look like something totally unlike anything we have ever seen, and probably do.. Why should they look like us?

My problem with the whole deal is.. if they have in fact visited here.. why not make themselves known in an obvious way where there could be no disputing it.. Just do a slam dunk like on, "Independence Day"..

[TheFLY]

Fuck Area 51, I just wish X-Files was back

[Fletch XXX]

Ah, it was right in front of me.

http://roswellproof.homestead.com/Reconstruct.html

the best page on the word analysis.

[Cindyff]

Of course aliens landed, one survived and now its running the country

[UnseenWorld]

You wrote:

"we" being the key word here...
It could be that there is other life out there that has knowledge and abilities that we couldn't come close to comprehending. All we know is what we on Earth have learned through our own processes and intellect."

My reply is:

Most physicists will tell you that we know about 95-99% of what there is to know about how the universe operates. The big mysteries are when and how it started and how it will end. Is there another species out there who knows most of that other stuff? Possibly. Is it possible that some of what remains contains the key to interstellar travel? Of course it's possible. But tell me something that makes it seem likely? Can you? I'd put it on a par with believing that God exists, and of course if He does, then interstellar space travel is indeed possible, along with eternal life and turning water into wine.

You wrote:

Nobody knows how long the universe has existed.. nor what other galaxies may have insofar as life forms.. probably not as has been portrayed with 2 eyes, 2 arms, and human-like.. They could look like something totally unlike anything we have ever seen, and probably do.. Why should they look like us?

My reply is:

The estimates of the age of the universe are not precise, if that's what you mean. If not, then you are wrong: Theyh tend to fall betwee 8 and 14 billion years ago. So, we do know that the universe didn't start 2, 5, 10, or 50 million years ago. Also, the whole concept of "when the universe began" is kind of a weird one since it kind of presupposes some sort of ongoing steady time...an independent temporal yardstick against which the development of the universe can be measured. Like I said elsewhere (in agreement with you), IF life evolved elsewhere, it might not recognize is (nor we it) as alive.

You wrote:

My problem with the whole deal is.. if they have in fact visited here.. why not make themselves known in an obvious way where there could be no disputing it.. Just do a slam dunk like on, "Independence Day"...

My reply is:

On the one hand, you seem to realize that they might be very different from us. You don't seem to draw the corollary that their reasons might be beyond our ken as well, and if they are based on something akin to a religion, might be REALLY beyond our ability to understand them.

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by Cindyff
Of course aliens landed, one survived and now its running the country

I concur. He's from the planet Moro, just like the Canadians say. But Morons have been running the US for years now.

[Fletch XXX]

Originally posted by UnseenWorld


I concur. He's from the planet Moro, just like the Canadians say. But Morons have been running the US for years now.

Maybe he's a Texcan?

[doobster]

the best thing to describe the different planets would be to watch the movie k-pax. where he travelled with the light didnt even need a spaceship

[Spunkyed]

hey I just saw santa at the mall!!

he really does exist!!!

[UnseenWorld]

Originally posted by doobster
the best thing to describe the different planets would be to watch the movie k-pax. where he travelled with the light didnt even need a spaceship

You might as well believe in miracles. The only thing that travels at the speed of light is light.

Who needs physics when you have movies, anyway, right?

[Jamdin]

I don't know but thought moves pretty damn fast too...

[Thomas N]

It's easy to get very excited when you watch all the "pro" propoganda involving Roswell. Now I would suggest you search out some of the "debunking Roswell" propoganda so you have a more balance view of the facts.

The material you watched was skewed HEAVILY towards the "pro" side of the story, so make sure you get both sides.

But for starters, do you really believe that this army guy went before the press with a document detailing the lies he was to tell the press, in his hand, facing the reporters and cameramen, and clearly stating that it was a lie?

Further, I think you can't show the pic where it is clear what it says, because it does not exist. Read the explanation on that site. It says the text they SUGGEST the letter MAY say, is a guess at best based on the apparent lenghts of words etc etc.

You could make that out to be a recipe for Kung Pao Chicken based on those criteria if that was your agenda.

[Fletch XXX]

http://taken.scifi.com/index_flash.html

http://www.freedomofinfo.org/

[Sambuka]

Umm the average IQ of Americans may of dropped that day!!!
But that didn't come from the sky so I guess NO!

Sammy

[bhutocracy]

I agree with unseen...
although I do believe in the prospect of life in other parts of the universe it's much more likely to be either archea and simple celled organisms or much, much more highly evolved or machine. The idea that a race that looks superficially like us and is only a thousand or so years ahead of us technologically is visiting us is laughable given the sheer amount of time involved in the evolution of the planets and then lifeforms. I'm semi-confident intelligent life has existed and become extinct hundreds of millions of years ago on other planets.
But I don't believe in aliens visiting us any more than god or religion or any other garbage.