XBIZ NEWS: Extreme Associates? Black, Borden Get 1-Year Sentences

[XBIZ_Ariana]

XBIZ NEWS: Extreme Associates? Black, Borden Get 1-Year Sentences

Extreme Associates partners Rob Black and Lizzy Borden will each spend a year and a day in prison as part of their guilty pleas on obscenity charges.

http://www.xbiz.com/news/109994

[Phoenix]

that sucks for them...prison is not a fun place to be

[JustDaveXxx]

Ouch!!!

[Profits of Doom]

This whole thing really makes me sick, and is scary in the sense that they starting going through their legal problems the same time the company I used to work for did, and we had the same attorneys. It could just have easily have been me spending a year in jail for simply trying to make a living, and I still have a record full of porn related arrests that has yet to be rectified. Rob and his crew were not always the easiest people to deal with, but in no fucking way does he deserve this...

[american pervert]

thats what you get when you go on national television and tell the gov't to come after you.

for anyone unfamiliar, there was a PBS special about porn and rob "rocket scientist" black told the gov't to gfy and come get him.


boo fucking hoo

[JP-pornshooter]

another one bites the dust...
sounds like their lives are fucked and have been for some years already.

[Darrah]

Then don't go on PBS and bring their crew behind the scenes and blindside them with violent porn. Steve Hirsch can go on any show and talk about Vivid without worrying the FBI will come after him. What they do isn't vanilla porn and they were still very public about it for the attention and publicity.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by american pervert

thats what you get when you go on national television and tell the gov't to come after you.

for anyone unfamiliar, there was a PBS special about porn and rob "rocket scientist" black told the gov't to gfy and come get him.


boo fucking hoo

Exactly right.

....and I quote (Black).... "I wanna be like da next Ted Turner, or Disney. Somet'ing like dat"

[SleazyDream]

when it comes to gov't agencies, be LOW PROFILE

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Darrah

Then don't go on PBS and bring their crew behind the scenes and blindside them with violent porn. Steve Hirsch can go on any show and talk about Vivid without worrying the FBI will come after him. What they do isn't vanilla porn and they were still very public about it for the attention and publicity.

Correct. The Frontline news crew actually ended up stop filming in the middle of the shot and left. Apparently they were shooting shit against the Cambria List. Like rape, violence, porn, and murder.

You can watch the interview on Frontline/PBS website and see just how smart Black/Borden were. If you are going to shoot that extreme kinda porn, and then go on national TV advertising it. You deserve prison.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Correct. The Frontline news crew actually ended up stop filming in the middle of the shot and left. Apparently they were shooting shit against the Cambria List. Like rape, violence, porn, and murder.

You can watch the interview on Frontline/PBS website and see just how smart Black/Borden were. If you are going to shoot that extreme kinda porn, and then go on national TV advertising it. You deserve prison.

Eh... here's the Cambria List:

No shots with appearance of pain or degradation

No facials (bodyshots are OK if shot is not nasty)

No bukakke

No spitting or saliva mouth to mouth

No food used as sex object

No peeing unless in a natural setting, e.g., field, roadside

No coffins

No blindfolds

No wax dripping

No two dicks in/near one mouth

No shot of stretching pussy

No fisting

No squirting

No bondage-type toys or gear unless very light

No girls sharing same dildo (in mouth or pussy)

Toys are OK if shot is not nasty

No hands from 2 different people fingering same girl

No male/male penetration

No transsexuals

No bi-sex

No degrading dialogue, e.g., "Suck this cock, bitch" while slapping her face with a penis

No menstruation topics

No incest topics

No forced sex, rape themes, etc.

No black men-white women themes

Even the "no facials" part makes the entire list fucking useless.

Your comment about them "deserving" it is ridiculous, by the way. Sure, it's pretty dumb to bring attention to something that could be considered obscene.

But really, obscenity laws are a load of crock in the first place. If consenting adults choose to do disgusting stuff together, that should be their right. If others choose to watch it, that's their right too.

Nobody was being forced to perform in these scenes, and nobody was being forced to watch them. The government should have minded its own damn business.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Darrah

Then don't go on PBS and bring their crew behind the scenes and blindside them with violent porn. Steve Hirsch can go on any show and talk about Vivid without worrying the FBI will come after him. What they do isn't vanilla porn and they were still very public about it for the attention and publicity.

the thing is Hollywood puts out movies with rape and underage sex all the time. They are never prosecuted.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Your comment about them "deserving" it is ridiculous, by the way. Sure, it's pretty dumb to bring attention to something that could be considered obscene.

Nobody was being forced to perform in these scenes, and nobody was being forced to watch them. The government should have minded its own damn business.

Sorry bud. But if a lawyer offers you suggestions on how to stay out of the cross hairs and you go against it. You made your play. If you are caught, you deserve what you get.

Same as people who are doing things that are extreme porn. You do not go and get national TV programs to put your shit on the air just begging to be investigated. Again, if you film that stuff and you wanna be underground fine. If you broadcast yourself on public TV for the soccer moms, and FBI to see, then you are just begging to be made an example of.

When you become that example. You have earned it.

[JFK]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

that sucks for them...prison is not a fun place to be

no shit, too bad

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Sorry bud. But if a lawyer offers you suggestions on how to stay out of the cross hairs and you go against it. You made your play. If you are caught, you deserve what you get.

Same as people who are doing things that are extreme porn. You do not go and get national TV programs to put your shit on the air just begging to be investigated. Again, if you film that stuff and you wanna be underground fine. If you broadcast yourself on public TV for the soccer moms, and FBI to see, then you are just begging to be made an example of.

When you become that example. You have earned it.

They only deserve it if you consider the law in question to be a just one. They did not get convicted for being open about what they did, they got convicted for publishing materials deemed obscene.

A legal system should not be based on forcing people to keep a low profile, and law enforcement should not answer to public outrage. "Don't ask, don't tell" is not a sound principle upon which to build justice.

At present, obscenity laws are awful. The principle of "community standards" only serves to avoid having to make decisions about basic liberties. The principle itself is a refusal to acknowledge the fundamental truth that having freedom of speech will lead to a situation in which people can and will make comments that others will consider both distasteful and offensive.

The situation right now is comparable to one where the principle of freedom of religion is upheld only up to the point at which people start choosing religions that the majority of people do not agree with.

Personally, I find the EA content disgusting, and I consider Rob Black and Lizzy Borden to be absolute idiots. Nevertheless, they most definitely did not deserve this conviction, since it was based on a fundamentally flawed and unjust law.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Libertine

They only deserve it if you consider the law in question to be a just one. They did not get convicted for being open about what they did, they got convicted for publishing materials deemed obscene.

A legal system should not be based on forcing people to keep a low profile, and law enforcement should not answer to public outrage. "Don't ask, don't tell" is not a sound principle upon which to build justice.

At present, obscenity laws are awful. The principle of "community standards" only serves to avoid having to make decisions about basic liberties. The principle itself is a refusal to acknowledge the fundamental truth that having freedom of speech will lead to a situation in which people can and will make comments that others will consider both distasteful and offensive.

The situation right now is comparable to one where the principle of freedom of religion is upheld only up to the point at which people start choosing religions that the majority of people do not agree with.

Personally, I find the EA content disgusting, and I consider Rob Black and Lizzy Borden to be absolute idiots. Nevertheless, they most definitely did not deserve this conviction, since it was based on a fundamentally flawed and unjust law.

Be that as it may friend.

The laws as they are written and understood, more importantly, enforced... are the confines we must play within. Just as most CC companies would not process for these extremes, they should have known better.

They tested those laws. They bragged about it on national TV. They were bitch slapped for it.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Be that as it may friend.

The laws as they are written and understood, more importantly, enforced... are the confines we must play within. Just as most CC companies would not process for these extremes, they should have known better.

They tested those laws. They bragged about it on national TV. They were bitch slapped for it.

Rob Black challenged the gov't to come after him

So they did.

The case brought against him was in a state where the standard for obscenity are different than were the content was created.

did the gov't cheat, maybe.. but rob invited them to play the game.

mess if the bull you get the horns.

[Darrah]

Originally Posted by GatorB

the thing is Hollywood puts out movies with rape and underage sex all the time. They are never prosecuted.

Because there's no actual sex going on. They also don't leave a set bruised and not able to shit straight in ten years.

[Libertine]

Originally Posted by Barefootsies

Be that as it may friend.

The laws as they are written and understood, more importantly, enforced... are the confines we must play within. Just as most CC companies would not process for these extremes, they should have known better.

They tested those laws. They bragged about it on national TV. They were bitch slapped for it.

Actually, no, the laws as they are written, understood and enforced are most definitely NOT the confines we must play within.

Civil disobedience is an extremely important tool in fighting unjust laws. Without it, it is quite likely that there would still be apartheid in South Africa, that there would still be racial segregation in the US, and that India would still be ruled by the British - to give just a few high-profile examples.

Or, to give an example that might be more familiar to those in this industry: Larry Flynt. Had he and people like him not fought long and hard against anti-porn laws, the industry would look rather different today than it does now.

[Barefootsies]

Originally Posted by Libertine

Or, to give an example that might be more familiar to those in this industry: Larry Flynt. Had he and people like him not fought long and hard against anti-porn laws, the industry would look rather different today than it does now.

While true ole' chum.

Most people are not fighting for 'the industry'. They will roll over for the enforced laws, or accept their role. Making money in the shadows, quietly, while enjoying the comforts of being a U.S. citizen.

Or, you can always go find some other country.

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by american pervert

thats what you get when you go on national television and tell the gov't to come after you.

for anyone unfamiliar, there was a PBS special about porn and rob "rocket scientist" black told the gov't to gfy and come get him.


boo fucking hoo

I don't see how you can say that. Telling the government to fuck off doesn't mean you deserve to go to jail.

[pocketkangaroo]

Kind of sad that you get a year in jail for filming something between consenting adults. But you only get 30 days in jail for killing someone while driving drunk.

[Darrah]

Originally Posted by pocketkangaroo

Kind of sad that you get a year in jail for filming something between consenting adults. But you only get 30 days in jail for killing someone while driving drunk.

Kayden Kross got a day in prison and three years probation for conning a family of six out of their home.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

I don't see how you can say that. Telling the government to fuck off doesn't mean you deserve to go to jail.

In a perfect world, no it shouldn't, but people don't like to be antagonized. You should try to have some tact and not openly flaunt things no matter if you are right. One thing I learned in jail is to keep my mouth shut, even if I was right the world isn't fair and the rule makers don't give a shit about you.

Rob pushed the limits, challenged the gov't and lost. Instead of defending this moron, learn by his example.. you want to make violent rape porn, don't go on tv and and try to defend yourself. Logical people will not feel sorry for you.

[american pervert]

and maybe his sales person should get their head out of their ass. PA is a fucked up state, I know a guy who lost is glass pipe company b/c one of his salesman shipped 3 pipes to someone there.

If rob didn't go on tv, he would still be making his shitty movies today....

[hypedough]

The only reason the government went after Rob was his appearance on PBS asking the Feds to come and get him.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by hypedough

The only reason the government went after Rob was his appearance on PBS asking the Feds to come and get him.

THIS!


people- ROB LITERATELY ASKED FOR THIS!!!!!!!!

[mikesouth]

Rob and Lizard are both morons, they both deserve at least a year for just for BEING morons.

now if only we could make THAT minimum sentencing stick porn would again become profitable imagine every moron in porn jailed for one year...we could turn this biz around...really

[just a punk]

There is no sex in the USA anymore?

P.S. Ok, not just sex but BDSM sex if it does matter.

[just a punk]

Originally Posted by hypedough

The only reason the government went after Rob was his appearance on PBS asking the Feds to come and get him.

So if some one in the USA will say something like: "hey feds, come and get me!" Does this considered as a federal crime now?

[Penthouse Tony]

Originally Posted by cyberxxx

So if some one in the USA will say something like: "hey feds, come and get me!" Does this considered as a federal crime now?

Communism sucks doesn't it?

I can't believe how many people think someone got what he deserved for exercising free speech. If you think he broke the law just say that. But don't say he got what he deserved for saying fuck you to the government.

[GatorB]

Originally Posted by Darrah

Because there's no actual sex going on.

So?

They also don't leave a set bruised and not able to shit straight in ten years.

Stuntmen leave sets bruised all the time.

[american pervert]

Originally Posted by Sagi_AFF

Communism sucks doesn't it?

I can't believe how many people think someone got what he deserved for exercising free speech. If you think he broke the law just say that. But don't say he got what he deserved for saying fuck you to the government.

he said fuck you, come get me, and then shipped what content that is considered obscene to an area he should not.

being stupid sucks, and rob is stupid, people like him make it worse for everyone.