I was thinking the same thing.

Lots of hostility out there nowadays :(

http://www.careerbuilder.com/Article...on-Proof-Jobs/
http://www.forbes.com/2007/10/09/job..._1009jobs.html

10 Recession-Proof Jobs
1. Registered nurse
2. Public relations specialist
3. Teacher, post-secondary
4. Police officer
5. Insurance sales agent
6. Pharmacy technician
7. Funeral director
8. Environmental science technician
9. Network systems and data communications analyst
10. Fast-food worker

I agree with you.

I have college degree and worked in 2 companies so far , worked my job perfectly fine but my monthly salary was lower in comparison with the salary of older staff in those companies but without proper qualification for their work .

Anyway i worked 9 months till i saw that nobody appreciate my work and i left !

Now i'm working full time freelance and i'm earning almost 3 times the salary i earned in those companies ( so fuck so called "bosses" who only want to use you as a tool ) ofcourse not all of them are the same .

College is for faggots

I personally feel that the bachelors/masters degree only shows that the guy has motivation to finish what he started (ie. college). Of course degrees also show that the individual has some sort of intrest in the line of work he got the degree from, but I would never hire someone based on a degree alone.

I personally finished my school even though I thought it was pure nonsense and bullshit, but I finished it anyhow. I don't expect to do anything with the degree, I founded my second company while in college, did my thesis in college for my own company etc.. but that's besides the point :P. People think they can make like €3500 per month right out of the same school I graduated from, and in reality they can't even get a job, and if they can it's like a cashier at a store. :)

I totally agree with you %100. What college also says is that this person can be trained and has follow through skills.








Ok let me define these people that you listed above. They are all self motivators with an inner drive for success that cannot be taught. Those are very far and between. People like that are born or have had some kind of adversity in life that drives them. Those kind of people will do well in any kind of business environment.


College gives people the basic tools they need to compete in the work place against other people with the same skill set in the same work environment. I feel that you always need to be an employee before you can be the boss. In BJJ we call it "need to be the nail, before you can be the hammer". I have done internships at companies that would never hire people with out work experience or education . I got incredible amounts of work experience through college internships. I have worked at radio stations, Tv stations, PR and Advertising firms and did photo journalism for the LA Times. This was all made possible through college and teacher recommendations. I made the most out of my time in college. Got opportunities opened up to me that otherwise were closed off.




I am pretty street smart and savvy. I saw all of my friends were going to college and did not want to miss out. Parents money for me to go to school?? I got kicked out of the house when i was 17. There was no help from mommy or daddy. So I figured out how to get my college education and get paid for it. I got the state to pay for my education and books via state grants and i made a shit load for being latin via scholarships. I applied for every scholarship offered and was making way more money in school than if i had a real job. I figured out the system and made it work for me. I used that same system and got both of my younger brothers educated with no debt. One graduated from Law school (partial scholarship and had some debt from law school only). The other from film school (zero debt).


I am a self motivator and a college graduate and i value both equally. I use my education everyday and i always have a burning drive inside to work hard and go after my goals and objectives. Why? Because i know that my competition is not.





As far as Escortbiz, come one man you are a rare breed that may not have a degree, but you are highly educated. You are very knowledgeable about a lot and whatever you may not know at the time you will go out and learn everything there is to know about that particular subject in a week. You are a serious self motivator and you are highly intelligent. you are the kid in the class that has an IQ off the chart and always knows more than the teacher. Your type of person has no need for college because you would be board with the slow learning process. Comparing you with the general public that just graduated is not even remotely fair. And the real world work experience that you bring to the table??? Thats like comparing apples and pancakes.




This is how i would sum up this post; My daughter will go to college. She will get her advance degree. Why???? What if she is not a self motivator? She will have the skills to be a good employees at a good salery.

And if she is a self motivator and has an advance degree she will be that much more formidable when going out to do what she wants to do.:2 cents:

what if shed rather start her own thing or whatever? would you push her and be mad when shes not really interested in going to college?

its sad when I see parents go all gung ho on their kids and trying to get them into colleges just so they can brag to friends where their son is at

bottom line is most people if they really decide to really achieve something they can learn it and make it happen, but most people are too busy listening to their negative fucktard in some cases jealous people around them too

I take it you did not use your GI Bill either?

If you would have a clear understanding of my capacity and my teams mission at the time youd understand

a) how we crossed paths
b) why your questions isnt valid

I wont go into detail as it can only backfire

College is pure bullshit and a total waste of time. it teaches you to think like everyone else. alot of these college kids think they are owed something in life.

they all talk like this "my degree pays really well so its worth it"

WRONG your degree does not pay you shit and just because you have a piece of paper you havent earned shit.

i would rather work with someone who has real business expierience and drive then some college kid with richy rich parents who is used to being coddled.

college is a waste of time and the smart kids are figuring this out. the most successful people i know never went to college. what a waste of 4 years.

That's not my fault. You seem to know me, but don't want me to know you..so.. what more could I do but ask?

I wish I would have used mine.

Even tho I hated school and I wasn't the best student, I'll admit looking at my degree on the wall is kinda cool and you'll appreciate it later in life... especially if you wife and her circle of friends have theirs and/or advanced degrees :2 cents:

Exactly... I've seen tons of adult webmasters that can't spell their way out of a paper bag, can't install a script to save their life, but are really successful. It's fucking crazy. Maybe it's some sort of right-brain / left-brain thing. Who knows...

People who point out "well so and so never went to college and he's the most successful guy I know" are like the people who had an uncle who lived to be 90 even though he smoked 3 packs of cigarettes a day.

There are exceptions to everything, but the rules are the rules for a reason.

True. It's not crazy at all. The successful webmasters focus on business and strategy. They outsource the rest. For a good discussion about this, dig up the drama thread between Brad Shaw and AMP regarding this same topic... I think it involved HTML

Sadly it really doesn't. If you're ever in the position where you hire a significant amount of staff and you believe that to be true, you're in for a whole crap load of trouble.

Will do. Thanks for the heads up. I agree 100%, but I have a hard time with it because I have a bad habit of "doing it my way" and not trusting anyone to do it the way I would want it done, etc. I really have to work on that.

(end Dr. Phil rant) :)

Im gonna give my daughter the opportunities that i never got. She will be very informed when she makes her major choices in life. And she will know that all of her choices are not always permanent.


And as far as bragging about my kid going to college or me going to college, i need to worry more about explaining how i have a BS, BA and JD degree and im shoot porn for a living.



And yes you dont need college to go and accomplish your business goals. But it is pretty cool to have it under your belt as an accomplishment.:thumbsup





And dont let EscortBizPro fool you, its easy for him to say college is a waste of time when he is packing a 180+ IQ:thumbsup

Fact :

The only people who think college is bullshit are people who simply couldn't make it.

fact: people who have been to college never make threads like "if you never went to college you are a loser!"

wonder why that is?

gfy isn't therapy.

Something else to think about regarding this issue.

College isn't necessary if all you want to do is make a living, or even make a fortune, but believe it or not, money isn't everything to all people.

We're not going to find a cure for cancer without people going to college. We're not going to have many engineers, doctors, dentists, scientists, etc if nobody goes to college.
There are alot of other things the world needs besides people who are good at buying something for $1 and selling it for $2.

A post was made earlier about how come the children of the rich are often not financial successes, even though they're given every advantage vis a vis education.
Did it ever occur to you that money isn't important to them because they grew up in an environment of excess and decided that they wanted to do something with their life other than doubling their father's fortune?

+1... you never know what will happen in life, i rather have some kind of degree to fall back on (worst comes to worst making some 30g's in the office) instead of stacking up food in a grocery store.. for every successful guy who started his own company without college degree there's probably 100's of guys who started their own company with some type of degree...

what good are brains when you have no balls?

A science degree will make you a lot smarter. You talk different, you think different.
When I catch up with high school friends you can tell they haven't changed since
they were 15. Even if the career opportunities are hard to find it's still worth doing.
College is a 3 year blast, and chicks dig graduates!

todays post goes into details about this very topic its a good read

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009...ee__176545.htm

http://www.nypost.com/seven/06282009...oped_graph.jpg

????? They are there!! Balls, brains, work experience, you name it, its there. To such a serious extreme that its really not fair to everyone else. EBP Is not looking for validation. He is sharing an opinion that is nurtured by his experiences, knowledge and accomplishments.




But then again "The Devils greatest trick is convincing everyone that he does not exist'.





This is a great little exchange of ideas and opinions, but at the end of the day I have 2 college undergraduate degrees, Advertising/Marketing, Communications/Public Relations and a JD degree in law. College was no waste of my time and i do use a lot of what i learned everyday.


Then again my degrees give me real world knowledge that i can make work for me. If i had a degree in Art, Drama, Liberal Arts or underwater basket weaving from an Ivy league school and worked at Starbucks i would probably shoot my self.


Thats what you get for going to school for the wrong reasons (your parents).:2 cents:

That is kickass information.

Alot of huge assumptions in that theory.

Like assuming that the guy with no college will be able to stay employed, consistently, from age 18-65.
Considering we average a recession once a decade and that group is the one hardest hit, not likely. Considering job prospects for that group will continue to deteriorate over time, these numbers holding up is even less likely.

We're also dealing with some fuzzy math vis a vis savings. In this hypothetical, the high school guy starts saving 5% of his pay at age 18. The college guy doesn't start saving until he's 34. That's 16 years of extra savings, so no shit the guy who started 16 years earlier is ahead.

Not a very fair or realistic comparison. As is usual with an op-ed, this guy already had his mind made up and then "found" numbers that supported his theory.

Nice try though. :winkwink: