So all Russian are scammers now. Right? :)

two words for you: Bernard Madoff

was he Russian at some point? God Bless america for its total blindness.

I drink cologne 3 times a day. More often on weekends.

i lived in Vladivostok for 5 years. its pure 100% gangster. there is almost no law there at all. every body of government is its own organized crime network from police, to customs, to kgb etc etc etc... the regional legislature is full of gangsters because they are immune from prosecution as elected officials. even the governor (or Darkin if he is still governor) was a well known criminal figure... replacing Nazdratenko who was also a well known criminal figure that was powerful enough that even Putin wouldn't fire him.... but rather had to bribe him to get him to step down by putting him in control of the fisheries which is 100% criminal controlled as are all natural resources.

i could write a 100 books about the shit i experienced there and no one would believe a single word of it.

also that should be put into its proper context "gangster" is synonymous with "businessman" in most parts of Russia. you can't be successful in any business without extensive criminal ties.

Primorye = Vladivostok Region (like a county)

Putin appointed representatives to report to him from the 89 regions of Russia once he was elected... this is one such report.
_______________________

Confidential

From Viktor Kondratov
Representative of the President of the Russian Federation in Primorye
22 Svetlanskaya Street
Vladivostok, 690110
Tel. 22-39-13
Fax 22-18-37,
N 277-c 19.06.97

To Ye. V. Savostianov
Deputy director
Head of the staff of the Administration of the President of Russia
Moscow

Beginning in 1993, the negative tendencies of local authorities' corruption and their uniting with the leaders of organized crime groups has continued to develop. The staff policy of choosing directors for governmental agencies based on the principle of personal faith significantly boosts the crisis in the social and economic spheres.

Following the governor's initiative, individuals who use their work in Primorye power structure for strengthening their own influence on the economic mechanism in order to increase their own wealth were appointed on the key positions in the local government. Besides, officials use both the law enforcement agencies and opportunities of working with organized crime leaders for their profit-seeking interests.

Thus, the first governor's deputy, K.B. Tolstoshein, while mayor of Vladivostok, actively participated in the process of illegal privatization of municipal property. Together with a leader of an organized crime group, Alexeyenkov, he conducted an unprecedented deal for selling the largest hotel, the Vladivostok, to Amis and Co. Company for virtually nothing. The stock exchange experts estimate the cost of the hotel as 40 billion rubles, while it was sold for 127 million [Editor's note: This was apparently during a time when the exchange rate was 6,000 rubles to the dollar, making the value of the hotel $6.7 million]. As a payment for such a "service," Tolstoshein's under-aged daughter received 20 percent of stock of the Amis and Co.

Along with illegal financial operations, Tolstoshein uses his connections with the leaders of criminal groups in order to conduct violent operations toward competitors and provide for the normal functioning of the commercial companies under his control, such as Oksitur, Voles, and Magnolia. As a punishment for the criticism on one of the Vladivostok Broadcasting Corporation's (VBC) radio programs, with the help from the criminal leader A.B. Makarenko, he organized abduction of radio reporters [Alexei] Sadykov and [Andrei] Zhuravlyov.

Because of the pressure on the detectives during the investigation of the criminal case, the police failed to reveal the cause of the attack on the reporters.

Together with the head of Vladivostok's Pervorechensky district, Mr. Dyomin, Tolstoshein helped the leaders of a criminal gang, the Babakekhyan brothers, to get control over the so-called Chinese market by reregistering documents on their names. He received a bribe for that in the form of a Lexus car of an approximate cost of $30,000.

Via his relatives, Tolstoshein founded the commercial companies Atlantida, Bgat, Spektr and others. The leaders of the largest and most stable criminal groups -- Kostenko, Alexeyenkov, Koptev, and Petrakov, who were sued for violent crimes many times -- are providing the companies' security. Tolstoshein's mother-in-law, Kutilova, 67, is a co-founder of eight commercial companies and has up to 35 percent of the stock in them.

For the assistance in getting favorable conditions for the commerce, Tolstoshein, having broken the law, received a five-room apartment worth 600 million rubles from V.G. Beloshapkin, director of Dalvemo.

Vice Governor V.S. Dubinin drew our attention while investigating Chechen community criminal leader P.A. Aldamov, who was involved in major financial machinations, money extortion from merchants, and the murder of a tax police officer. Dubinin used his power to assist Aldamov in organizing wholesale trade of oil products, investing illegal capital of the Chechen community into the region's economy, covering debts of the companies under his control from the regional budget.

In 1996, the local FSB office investigated a criminal case on Vice Governor M.B. Chechelnitsky, later the chairman of the Committee for Fuel Resources, who was conducting machinations concerning fuel deliveries for the region, together with the criminal leader I.V. Vorontsov, who has been convicted a several times, once for a murder. The investigation revealed that Chechelnitsky had misused 400 billion rubles out of the regional money. The criminal case was closed because of Chechelnitsky's sudden death.

According to the preliminary results of an audit the FSB conducted together with the Finances Ministry regional office on the companies delivering fuel, during the heating seasons of 1995-1996 and 1996-1997, fuel worth 100 billion rubles was not delivered to the region despite the contracts. This is regarding the fact that the governor directly controls the work of the heads of the Department for Household Maintenance and Committee for Fuel Resources, V.G. Chepik and S.B. Zorin.

In 1994, during the time of privatizing the largest fishery company, Primorrybprom, the corrupt connections of Vice Governor F.T. Novikov revealed themselves actively. Using his power, Novikov promoted for the position of the chairman of the board A.M. Brekhov, later arrested by regional prosecutors for organizing the contract killing of a former general director of the company, A.S. Zakharenko. Together with Brekhov, Novikov used the money of a Vladivostok criminal gang leader, O. Kozhemyako, and a Moscow criminal leader, Yu. I. Yesin, arrested by Italian police, to acquire a controlling block of shares of the company. Novikov's share was 27 percent.

In November of 1996, Adam Magomed Eminovich Imadayev was hired as the governor's advisor on national issues. This was the same person as Adam Mikhailovich Kovalyov. He drew the FSB attention as an individual who had two civilian passports. He used one of the passports to establish a commercial firm called Primorye Regional Accounting Chamber. We have just received evidence that Imadayev, with the help of [former] Vice Governor N.G. Sadomsky, is trying to organize an air company to fly from Grozny to the United Arab Emirates and other countries of the region. Considering the absence of border guard and customs regimes in Grozny, he plans to smuggle in expensive goods and food products.

Together with the revealed abuses of the law found in the Primorye Bank, which, following the regional administration's instruction, had concentrated all the budget-financed companies (we reported that to the first vice premier of the Russian Federation government, A. Chubais), there is a document confirming that [former] Vice Governor V.A. Kolesnichenko has a special account for 300 million rubles with 1,000 percent interest.

All the above has been reported following your order.

also... again, the above (or some of it) should be put in its proper context. you are talking about a time when the soviet union had just collapsed and it looked like the communist party was about to take power again. the entire nation was bankrupt and in shambles... so everyone was scrambling to get what they could and stash it away. it might not make a lot of sense to an american... but when you are trying to live on 90$ a month as a tenured university professor in a country that's falling apart and appears to have no future and you have the chance to rip off $500,000.00 from the local budget, school budget or whatever, with little to no chance of getting caught... you're most likely going to do it.

google please or are you lazy. Its an old story and I don't care to take time to search for your smokey lazy ass. I have a memory...something you might have lost in time with that keyboard in front of you. Now put up or shut up.

I lived in Chertanovo (part of Moscow) in 1970-80 years...it was 100% criminal too and what's? May be speak about Chicago 1920-30?

I thought you had hit the owned button, but you still can't resist...double owned. Now stop replying and following my posts or do the right thing and come out of the closet....duh...typical

Chicago? the obvious difference is that you are comparing exceptions to the norm.

Putin is KGB....says it all.

They have no internet connections in Russia. They keep brown bears as pets in their "izba". And they drink vodka from samovar. And I almost forgot, they wear caps with ear flaps whole year.

Unfortunately, many people still think so.

Pleasurepays, from Russian gangsters for you special :winkwink:
sorry for "bayan"...


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And don't forget their tsarina is sitting on the golden throne and they all wear fur coats

it's all arguments?

haha... nice. i was watching Brigada last week while working... listening to the opening of that song made me think about those fucked up translations of Star Wars Attack of the Clones or Lord of the Rings... i've been looking for those to download for quite a while. not sure if you know what i mean,.. but there are those guys in moscow who created those dubbed translations but made them really funny and with a lot of gangster slang.

He doesn't release that Russia lives in capitalism (an absolutely new system) during last 18 years only. It's a very small time period and of course it's not a good one to judge a whole Russian nation or speak about it's mentality. Let's recall what was in Chicago and hell, in all the US of A during 1920..1930. What was there in "wild west times"? What was there in slaveholder times? What was there during "first settlement", I mean genocide of Indians. How many years it those periods took? Do we judge modern Americans for those things? Do we call them Gangsters/Slaveholders/Indian killers?

Just a suggestion. Don't read what Pleasurepays wrote - he is in my personal ignore list within a year, because he's like a stupid kid who knows nothing but tries to show his intellect :2 cents:

It seems a lot of people are on your owned list. Been owned a lot around here I would guess with this crap you post. You can't apologize for this mess and defend gangsters. Unless, of course, you are one of the above. And as for intellect tavarich...I think yours is on thin Russian ice here. You need a big mac with russian pickles. BTW, I know you are reading this shit. gotcha again.

not sure but try here
http://www.muzworld.net/download.php?id=45378
or here
http://www.zachot.ru/index.php?m=artist&aid=4555

Somehow I was watching a story about modern LA gangs on Discovery. The narrator told something like this: "There is a real war in LA, and these guys are shooting each other and everyone with automatic guns. You may never know that it could be very dangerous to walk at some streets of LA. Almost same dangerous as for example in Moscow". You know guys, I was REALLY SHOCKED. Course yes, we have a crime in Moscow some people steal, some even could kill you for a wallet like in ANY OTHER BIG CITY. But 90% of such crimes happen only at night in the dark alleys. However, we don't have groups of guys rolling over the city on cars and shooting each other with automatic weapon. We don't have these LA-like gangster wars on our streets. This is ABSOLUTELY INSANE.

weekly, i hope you are exception and not the rule, cause if ALL americans are like you are... i am really sorry about that:)

Sounds awesome :thumbsup :)

I'm even not sure he is an American :winkwink:

I hope not! А то Задорнов будет прав: ну, тупые!!!:1orglaugh

ааааа... держите меня семеро, не могу не запостить!

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People are the same everywhere, each bunch has their own good and bad.

what Pleasurepays said earlier about communist state and its oppression of it's people is true. stealing grew pretty much in mentality of most population, stealing from state owned anything (which did own everything) was norm - basic means of survival when there is no other options to take care of your family - i'm not justifying it, just stating what when on and grew into mentality of people for over 70 years.. prior to that imperialism and feudalism didn't encourage people's loyalty as well.
Now, all of that doesn't mean that generally Russians are barbarian monkeys looking and making schemes to fuck anybody who gets in their way, as been said before we have hard working, intellectual and honest minds too. Russian cultural efforts are respected and studied in many other countries. Innovation is in Russian blood - but less experience effectively and productively utilizing it.

was born in USSR and been thought never to steal, i did it once and my dad beat the crap out of me - set me straight ever since... go figure, Russian mentality..

I fucked your mom in her ass and 9 month later you were born.
Not that you remeber any of that or the rest of you orphan years.
Google that one punkass.

So I'm not a barbarian monkey anymore? :) Thank you Sir! http://www.master-x.com/template/ima...es/smail27.gif

:1orglaugh

holograph, of course it was a joke, man ;)

I know :)

LMFAO........Good one bud. That about sums the whole thing up. You are just way too erudite for a comrade like me.

Here is what is interesting about this thread. It would never last if it wasn't about Russia. Speaks volumes. Just look at where most of the spam that is fucking with everyone's business is coming from...that should tell you something. And personally I don't care if it isn't technically Russia, but it is east bloc. Forget the Nigerian crap, that is just funny.

Just thought i'd post this spam email I received today.

Game, Set, and Match.

OK, if this was a poll, how many of you would click on any .ru domain. 'nuff said about that.

it's the survive-in-a-communist-country mentality. I've seen it a lot in other formerly Communist countries; they've done it for so long that now that they're "free", they continue to, as a way of life

now this is hot, im effing tired of this BS thread:

http://www.gfy.com/image.php?u=12511...ine=1245685642

i hate spam as much as anybody else.. but in my expirience after so many spammers have been busted (western!!!).. currently my biggest spammer is Myspace - after i signed up there few years back, that particular mailbox started flooding with spam even after i did opt out from their mailings their 3rd parties still use my email in their adverts.. you won this you won that, we have a check for you from any part of world you name it, you have won uk lotto, bush is ready to deposit money in your bank account..

your western spammers go to eastern spammers for service - nothing new there.. but saying Russians or any other singled out race is the reason of all your troubles is wrong.

Not all troubles, just an inordinate amount.