Your mandatory vaccines are en route

fox news...

so, doctors will be forcing people to get vaccinated and taking away their guns?

He signed the national emergency declaration no matter which news source you get it from.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&so...-8&sa=N&tab=wn

He signed the declaration on Friday.

Not what I am saying, but the plan is definitely in action to do so if needed.

Lemme guess, youve never been under martial law and had cops and military ask you for your ID and demand you not be on the street? Those of us who have seen what happens under "emergency" declarations are informed. Yes, they can and will take your guns. Fact.

Run along.

the media is brain washing you stop watching it

Awesome!! Now the whole world will be safe from something that kills no where near the amount the seasonal flu kills. weeeeee!

if someone tried to demand my gun, they would get shot...

the govt counts on sheep like you to just readily comply...

there were poeple in N.O. that refused to give up their guns and guess what.. they were allowed to keep them...

brainwashing?

I am speaking specifcally about Declarations of Emergency and martial law.

if you people think martial law and Emergency Delcarations are fictitious, come tell that to my family who stayed here during hurricane katrina and had their guns taken away.

You people are cluess in your little small town caves, but the rest of us who interect with th world and understand laws, are prepared for what is possibly coming.

You are a fucking idiot if you dont understand that certain rights are gone under emergency act

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Emergencies_Act

Did any of you even graduate high school/ or still in it?

Certain constitutional rights are eliminated under declaration of emergency. Including your " right of habeas corpus, under Article 1, Section 9;"

geez the uninformed are abound. ive seen this shit first hand, this is not conspiracy or tin foil hat stuff, this is American law 101

yeah right, as i said, youve never had military point auto rifles at you and demand your ID have you?

Nope, just some idiot in a cave in some small town talking shit, who has never experienced what I am talking about.

as i said kid, run along, adults are talking

There is no correlation between declaring an emergency and declaring martial law...one has nothing to do with the other...now does it sport?

LOL...you calling someone kid!

fletch takes faux news to a whole new level.

no where in that article is the word *mandatory*

He is a troll...just a troll.

Contrary to many media reports at the time, martial law was not declared in New Orleans in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, because no such term exists in Louisiana state law. However, a State of Emergency was declared, which does give unique powers to the state government similar to those of martial law. On the evening of August 31, 2005, New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin nominally declared "martial law" and said that officers didn't have to observe civil rights and Miranda rights in stopping the looters.[12] Federal troops were a common sight in New Orleans after Katrina. At one point, as many as 15,000 federal troops and National Guardsmen patrolled the city. Additionally it has been reported that armed contractors from Blackwater USA assisted in policing the city.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martial_law

Ive been through Martial law more than once in my life, and the fact is, they dont even ned to "declare it" they are granted similar powers under the Emergency Act, as i already explained.

try to keep up if you plan on posting in a thread about something I have personally been through.

At least TRY

?

Because I am duscssing the aspects of Declaration of Emergency and how States and Presidents have extra powrs and you actually have less.

You cant carry your guns, you can be detained etc...

Are you guys even trying to follow the thread? LOL

it's quite amazing how much fletch has *been there, done that*

I have been through more hurricanes than most likely anyone on this forum. I live in new orleans and have more than 2 people in my family lost homes in Hurricane Katrina.

We had bad roof damage last year and were FORCED TO LEAVE home and MANDATORY EVACUATION without being allowed to carry guns.

this was last year, why you question me?

Hurricane Gustav they delcared emergency before anything even started and put in plce curfew and police will arrest you if you are outside after dark.

Ive seen it, have you?

how old are you fletch? not trying to say you are immature, but it's amazing to me how much you have experienced, according to your posts.

i'm 45 and haven't had near the crazy life experiences you post about, in spite of traveling to a few countries, marriage, college, multiple careers, living in many different states. etc.

well, it's funny you mention that, i've been through many hurricanes growing up in houston and living in slydell for a while.

To the best of my knowlege the State of Louisiana has not declared a state of emergency...and the President declaring an emergency does not invoke martial law. They are two separate things...educate yourself through wikipedia since you love to quote it so much. BTW...wikipedia is not a reliable source of information.

i'm glad my parents didnt teach me to fear authority like yours did..

an emphatic yes.

Ive experienced a lot in my life, this is true, however, has nothing to do with the discussion of Constitutional Rights and Declaration of Emergency.

I am 33. And have had quite a ride.

Ive seen much damage from hurricanes and grew up in new orleans and my entire youth was plagued by hurricanes every year... after about 20 years of hurricanes you get to understand the rights you lose during emergencies, and thats really all this is about.

if they can:

a. take your guns
b. detain you for as long as they want (especially if you have swine flu)

see where I am going?

this is just a discussion, not sure why some of you are so quick with the insults, and rarely ever discuss the actual topic.

i was living in downtown san francisco when riots broke out in response to the 1st iraq invasion. the windows in my building were broken out and riot police showed up EN MASSE.

so i've seen it 1st hand in more than one circumstance, not just during a weather emergency.

hmm its spelled Slidell, you sure you lived there? LOL

Nice, see we have similar experience? Living in Los Angeles introduced me to that type of stuff LOL

Loved the riots in LA!

I plan on moving again and cant wait to see whats on the horizon next, the world is full of shit i just gotta see and get involved in!

umm, certainly you are aware of how shit in louisiana is spelled, right?

but sadly yes, i lived there for a brief spell. my pops was diagnosed with empheysema (i hope i spellt it right, hate to give you spelling nazis more ammo) and i went there to help him. he lived aboard his sailboat in the marina directly across lake ponchetrain (again, i didn't spell check) from new orleans.

yes, I have family who live there and all around New orleans.

Anyhow, today is a beautiful day and Im about to get away from desk but wanted to create some interesting threads before doing so.

see you guys later, ill be gone awhile going hang with the family today ...

You made the topic "mandantory" and "martial law"...neither of which are applicable to the emergency declared by the President...so the topic is just pigshit...now isn't it?

enjoy your day, i'm about to head out for a nice motorcyle cruise up PCH and into the canyons on my harley with some friends.

i bet u were hiding in a cave midnight the year 2000 aka Y2K

still waiting on wifey to get ready:

LOL i do believe we spent that new years partying hard in Las vegas homie.

I remember being I think at club Studio 50something looking over vegas from some top level club with a drink in each hand at the time.

nowhere near a cave homie, living life looking down from a perch with a good buzz and friends around me.

same as today same as then.

calm down invest in some good guns ak-47 sks glock 21 everything will be ok

Do you own stock in Reynold's Aluminum?

FelchXXX and Stinkyfingers are neck and neck for the biggest kook on GFY. Who will win? My money is on Felch.

BY THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA A PROCLAMATION

On April 26, 2009, the Secretary of Health and Human Services (the "Secretary") first declared a public health emergency under section 319 of the Public Health Service Act, 42 U.S.C. 247d, in response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza virus.

The Secretary has renewed that declaration twice, on July 24, 2009, and....

...October 1, 2009. In addition, by rapidly identifying the virus, implementing public health measures, providing guidance for health professionals and the general public, and developing an effective vaccine, we have taken proactive steps
to reduce the impact of the pandemic and protect the health of our citizens. As a Nation, we have prepared at all levels of government, and as individuals and communities, taking unprecedented steps to counter the emerging pandemic.

Nevertheless, the 2009 H1N1 pandemic continues to evolve.

The rates of illness continue to rise rapidly within many communities across the Nation, and the potential exists for the pandemic to overburden health care resources in some localities.

Thus, in recognition of the continuing progression of the pandemic, and in further preparation as a Nation, we are taking additional steps to facilitate our response.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, BARACK OBAMA, President of the United States of America, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the Constitution and the laws of the United States, including sections 201 and 301 of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.) and consistent with section 1135 of the Social Security Act (SSA), as amended (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5), do hereby find and proclaim that, given that the rapid increase in illness across the Nation may overburden health care resources and that the temporary waiver of certain standard Federal requirements may be warranted in order to enable U.S. health care facilities to implement emergency operations plans, the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic in the United States constitutes a national emergency.

Accordingly, I hereby declare that the Secretary may exercise the authority under section 1135 of the SSA to temporarily waive or modify certain requirements of the Medicare, Medicaid, and State Children's Health Insurance programs and of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act Privacy Rule throughout the duration of the public health emergency declared in response to the 2009 H1N1 influenza pandemic.

In exercising this authority, the Secretary shall provide certification and advance written notice to the Congress as required by section 1135(d) of the SSA (42 U.S.C. 1320b-5(d)).

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand this twenty-third day of October, in the year of our Lord two thousand nine, and of the Independence of the United States of America the two hundred and thirty-fourth.

/s/ Barack Obama

AUTHORITY TO WAIVE REQUIREMENTS DURING NATIONAL EMERGENCIES

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Sec. 1135. [42 U.S.C. 1320b–5] (a) Purpose.—The purpose of this section is to enable the Secretary to ensure to the maximum extent feasible, in any emergency area and during an emergency period (as defined in subsection (g)(1))—

(1) that sufficient health care items and services are available to meet the needs of individuals in such area enrolled in the programs under titles XVIII, XIX, and XXI; and

(2) that health care providers (as defined in subsection (g)(2)) that furnish such items and services in good faith, but that are unable to comply with one or more requirements described in subsection (b), may be reimbursed for such items and services and exempted from sanctions for such noncompliance, absent any determination of fraud or abuse.

(b) Secretarial Authority.—To the extent necessary to accomplish the purpose specified in subsection (a), the Secretary is authorized, subject to the provisions of this section, to temporarily waive or modify the application of, with respect to health care items and services furnished by a health care provider (or classes of health care providers) in any emergency area (or portion of such an area) during any portion of an emergency period, the requirements of titles XVIII, XIX, or XXI, or any regulation thereunder (and the requirements of this title other than this section, and regulations thereunder, insofar as they relate to such titles), pertaining to—

(1)(A) conditions of participation or other certification requirements for an individual health care provider or types of providers,

(B) program participation and similar requirements for an individual health care provider or types of providers, and

(C) pre-approval requirements;

(2) requirements that physicians and other health care professionals be licensed in the State in which they provide such services, if they have equivalent licensing in another State and are not affirmatively excluded from practice in that State or in any State a part of which is included in the emergency area;

(3) actions under section 1867 (relating to examination and treatment for emergency medical conditions and women in labor) for—

(A) a transfer of an individual who has not been stabilized in violation of subsection (c) of such section if the transfer arises out of the circumstances of the emergency;

(B) the direction or relocation of an individual to receive medical screening in an alternative location—

(i) pursuant to an appropriate State emergency preparedness plan; or

(ii) in the case of a public health emergency described in subsection (g)(1)(B) that involves a pandemic infectious disease, pursuant to a State pandemic preparedness plan or a plan referred to in clause (i), whichever is applicable in the State;

(4) sanctions under section 1877(g) (relating to limitations on physician referral);

(5) deadlines and timetables for performance of required activities, except that such deadlines and timetables may only be modified, not waived;

(6) limitations on payments under section 1851(i) for health care items and services furnished to individuals enrolled in a Medicare+Choice plan by health care professionals or facilities not included under such plan; and

(7) sanctions and penalties that arise from the noncompliance with the following requirements (as promulgated under the authority of section 264(c) of the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996[67] (42 U.S. C. 1320d-2 note)—

(A) section 164.510 of title 45, Code of Federal Regulations, relating to—

(i) requirements to obtain a patient's agreement to speak with family members or friends; and

(ii) the requirement to honor a request to opt out of the facility directory;

(B) section 164.520 of such title, relating to the requirement to distribute a notice; or

(C) section 164.522 of such title, relating to—

(i) the patient's right to request privacy restrictions; and

(ii) the patient's right to request confidential communications.

Insofar as the Secretary exercises authority under paragraph (6) with respect to individuals enrolled in a Medicare+Choice plan, to the extent possible given the circumstances, the Secretary shall reconcile payments made on behalf of such enrollees to ensure that the enrollees do not pay more than would be required had they received services from providers within the network of the plan and may reconcile payments to the organization offering the plan to ensure that such organization pays for services for which payment is included in the capitation payment it receives under part C of title XVIII. A waiver or modification provided for under paragraph (3) or (7) shall only be in effect if such actions are taken in a manner that does not discriminate among individuals on the basis of their source of payment or of their ability to pay, and, except in the case of a waiver or modification to which the fifth sentence of this subsection applies, shall be limited to a 72-hour period beginning upon implementation of a hospital disaster protocal. A waiver or modification under such paragraph (7) shall be withdrawn after such period and the provider shall comply with the requirements under such paragraph for any patient still under the care of the provider. If a public health emergency described in subsection (g)(1)(B) involves a pandemic infectious disease (such as pandemic influenza), the duration of a waiver or modification under paragraph (3) shall be determined in accordance with subsection (e) as such subsection applies to public health emergencies.

(c) Authority for Retroactive Waiver.—A waiver or modification of requirements pursuant to this section may, at the Secretary's discretion, be made retroactive to the beginning of the emergency period or any subsequent date in such period specified by the Secretary.

(d) Certification to Congress.—The Secretary shall provide a certification and advance written notice to the Congress at least two days before exercising the authority under this section with respect to an emergency area. Such a certification and notice shall include—

(1) a description of—

(A) the specific provisions that will be waived or modified;

(B) the health care providers to whom the waiver or modification will apply;

(C) the geographic area in which the waiver or modification will apply; and

(D) the period of time for which the waiver or modification will be in effect; and

(2) a certification that the waiver or modification is necessary to carry out the purpose specified in subsection (a).

(e) Duration of Waiver.—

(1) In general.—A waiver or modification of requirements pursuant to this section terminates upon—

(A) the termination of the applicable declaration of emergency or disaster described in subsection (g)(1)(A);

(B) the termination of the applicable declaration of public health emergency described in subsection (g)(1)(B); or

(C) subject to paragraph (2), the termination of a period of 60 days from the date the waiver or modification is first published (or, if applicable, the date of extension of the waiver or modification under paragraph (2)).

(2) Extension of 60-day periods.—The Secretary may, by notice, provide for an extension of a 60-day period described in paragraph (1)(C) (or an additional period provided under this paragraph) for additional period or periods (not to exceed, except as subsequently provided under this paragraph, 60 days each), but any such extension shall not affect or prevent the termination of a waiver or modification under subparagraph (A) or (B) of paragraph (1).

(f) Report to Congress.—Within one year after the end of the emergency period in an emergency area in which the Secretary exercised the authority provided under this section, the Secretary shall report to the Congress regarding the approaches used to accomplish the purposes described in subsection (a), including an evaluation of such approaches and recommendations for improved approaches should the need for such emergency authority arise in the future.

(g) Definitions.—For purposes of this section:

(1) Emergency area; emergency period.—An “emergency area” is a geographical area in which, and an “emergency period” is the period during which, there exists—

(A) an emergency or disaster declared by the President pursuant to the National Emergencies Act[68] or the Robert T. Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act[69]; and

(B) a public health emergency declared by the Secretary pursuant to section 319 of the Public Health Service Act.

(2) Health care provider.—The term “health care provider” means any entity that furnishes health care items or services, and includes a hospital or other provider of services, a physician or other health care practitioner or professional, a health care facility, or a supplier of health care items or services.

[67] See Vol. II, P.L. 104-191, §264(c).

[68] P.L. 94-412.

[69] P.L. 93-288.

http://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/ssact/title11/1135.htm

The Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, the NATIONAL SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/NSPD 51 and HOMELAND SECURITY PRESIDENTIAL DIRECTIVE/HSPD-20 :

2. Under the National Emergency Act, the President "may seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens."... Read More

12. Any physician or other health care provider who refuses to perform medical examination or vaccinations as directed shall be liable for delicensure and the inability to continue to practice in the State.

Article V Section 504(b). The Act gives the public health authority the right to isolate or quarantine a person on an ex parte court order, with no hearing for at least 72 hours. If the public health authority decides that an unvaccinated person is a risk to others, even if uninfected, he could be quarantined, per Article V Section 503(e).

: "Neither the State, its political subdivisions, nor, except in cases of gross negligence or willful misconduct, the Governor, the public health authority, or any other State official referenced in this Act, is liable for the death of or any injury to persons, or damage to property, as a result of complying with or attempting to comply with this Act or any rule or regulations promulgated pursuant to this Act," per Article VIII Section 804.

23. The National Security and Homeland Security Presidential Directive, signed on May 9, 2007 declares that in the event of a “catastrophic event”;

"The President shall lead the activities of the Federal Government for ensuring constitutional government."

(1) this directive establishes a comprehensive national policy on the continuity of Federal Government structures and operations and a single National Continuity Coordinator responsible for coordinating the development and implementation of Federal continuity policies. This policy establishes "National Essential Functions," prescribes continuity requirements for all executive departments and agencies, and provides guidance for State, local, territorial, and tribal governments, and private sector organizations in order to ensure a comprehensive and integrated national continuity program that will enhance the credibility of our national security posture and enable a more rapid and effective response to and recovery from a national emergency.

24.(b) "Catastrophic Emergency" means any incident, regardless of location, that results in extraordinary levels of mass casualties, damage, or disruption severely affecting the U.S. population, infrastructure, environment, economy, or government functions.“

27. The WHO and UN will become the controlling agencies in the US in the event of a declared pandemic level 6.

54. The WHO Pandemic Six level declaration entitles The President to impose martial law and deploy FEMA and the Department of Homeland Security "Pandemic Task Forces". Each State Governor will be notified that the provisions of the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act (MSEHPA) will be implemented. This means that all Americans must consent to mass vaccinations, or be guilty of a felony crime. The legal situation is that anyone who refuses the vaccine, and/or resists forced relocation to a prepared "quarantine compound", can "legally" be shot and killed because police are allowed to use "deadly force“ against felony suspects.

http://www.fema.gov/pdf/about/offices/fcd1.pdf

onwebcam they can write all the shit they want i dont have 2 take shit

FletchXXX - I wanted to not believe you're a kook, but man... God speed for your offspring.
You're a fucking nut job. Via nurture, your offspring will be kooks as well.
Sad but true.
And I wish the "mandatory" vaccination contained anti-procreation measures. The world needs no more people.

I'm there with ya buddy. My motto is. You bring the needle, I'll bring the gun and we'll see who makes the bigger hole. My posts were to give people the reality of the situation. Obama has just made himself dictator for at least the next two years. Prepare for what's to come.

Damn dude you are becoming more sad day by day! I hope you don't really think the way you portray yourself on here! I hope for your new family this is just u being a troll!

Lets clear one thing up right now.

YOU DO NOT KNOW ME, dont act like you do.

Just because I make troll threads on GFY that get the best of you guys doesn't reflect on me or my family at all so leave my wife and kid out of this.

How come now that I'm going to be a father you guys keep taking jabs at "my offspring" and bringing my "family" into shit like this now?

Be a man and come at me not my wife and unborn kid you fucking pussies.

taking shots at my unborn child?

What a fucking pussy

"3. Anything goes, except do not post people's personal information, or attack peoples personal lives or families, stick to the issues and the bullshit."

Thanking Buddha I live abroad. However, IF this flu is legit, then I'd rather be fucked and free, than fucked and forced to stay at home.

In Thailand, the government has swept Swine Flu under the rug so the upcoming tourist season doesn't take a hit. It was on the front page of all the papers for a while until the government put a gag order on the media and would not let them report on Swine Flu unless it was cleared by the government first. Strangely, that was the last we heard of Swine Fly over here. There will be no martial law, no quarantine, no hassle. Some people will die, some won't, and that will be that.

I came back to the USA from Asia during the SARS nonsense a few years back. I had the flu pretty bad, so went to the hospital in Cincinnati. As soon as I told them I just returned from Asia, I was instantly quarantined for 10 days. Freedom baby! Turned out I had the flu (and pink eye), but they held me anyway, "just in case."

Some of you live in a dream world if you think the powers that be won't lock you down should ANY problem get out of hand. If H1N1 becomes too big an issue, they will implement martial law for "the safety of the people." This you can count on. However, what will be interesting is, if a H1N1 disaster (with martial law) will coincidentally happen at the same time, or right before, a total failure of the US Banking system, which some experts say is coming. This would stop bank runs and total chaos from happening due to the collapse. I'm not saying I think this will happen, but I am saying, if it does, I could see it happening around the same time, for the sake of convenience. It just seems too many things are happing at the same time to be a coincidence.

Like being a veggie you mention it in almost every single thread you post in. Some people are getting sick of hearing it.

Seems like the "war on terror" isn't working anymore for you guys...