Christ look at this:

Look at what are they try to sell you, who are those deadbeats?

Is this a parody on avantgarde or new wave music?

Holy shit this is exactly that politically correct superficial easy listening pop rock with gay hair that's in vogue now!

This is exactly that pseudo indie genre - like wanna be independent but still very polished, probably targeted to girls and coeds and those who feel they're "no more kids" and want to listen to something "independent".

Look at that dude behind the piano moaning! That's very graphic!

I mean I wouldn't die if I heard this on radio, but not with a gun at my head I would play this at home or in a car, I'll check the rest later too, maybe that's gonna be better.

dont hate the playa hate the game :pimp hes major paid

I just read about that Jay Z, he has serious game pimping all those gimps.

LOTS of pocket money gets spent on luxury!

I believe he's very smart though, all the respect to him.

I'd rather watch the "Common People" video with Joe Jackson, Ben Folds and William Shatner than waste another 4 minutes watching THIS video again :1orglaugh

haha yeaaah right

All of those bands are indie in the truest sense. I believe Louis XIV is the only band to have been signed onto a major label, but they still produce their albums themselves. I know their history so you're going to have to try and bring more to the table (like facts and references) if you want to throw out opinions like that. :2 cents:

Well maybe if you're acceptable, trendy and you have your hair polished the right way to impress a huge audience with your naive fake rock, they will let you produce your shitty records on your own.

I believe the whole "indie" scene is a fake as hell, it's just another cliche - to have something "outside of mainstream" for all those pseudo intellectuals and kids that want to look hype and listen to lame musicians with egos as big as many of those super pop freaks.

Those bands are many times serious posers, they just don't try to pick up 15 year old girls but 19 year old girls (or boys as I am concerned after watching those cherubines).

I mean if you take your own band seriously you can give a shit about indie non indie etc.

And what's the deal with those DUMB smartass band names? like "cold war kids" or "elbow" this is just another way to shout "we're free" "we're indie" "we're different" "listen to us we're cool" "you want to be indie like us!"

Fuck that get a real name and play some real music!

wtf Do you mean "indie scene"? Indie means independent. It's not a scene. A band can't "give a shit about indie / non indie". All indie means is if they are independent of a commercial record label.

See, this is why I can't take you seriously.

And who the fuck cares if french fries in the sig take me seriously?

Dude, this thread is not about you, it's not about me, I can't help you with any personal issues so if your problem is that you have to have the last word - be it!

The point is - "indie" is just another label, they pimp those very bad bands as "indie" to have something in hand for those, who want to feel "non commercial" or "independent".

But this is not independent, it's just another form of crap to fill in the market gap.

Those bands are very lame, very lame at least the samples that were posted here.

I guess you can find 100 of those bands in every college club all around the world, they have all those juvenile names and songs and very mediocre writing and playing skills etc., well in case their members look good and gay enough to appear in media, then someone signs them as "indie".

Overproduced.

Pop Music used to be pop music because it was popular. Now Pop music happens, and then it becomes popular.

What do you mean "indie" is a label? "Indie" is a definition, not a label or scene. Man you are really falling off track here.

And who "pimps" these bands? What do you mean? Where are they being pimped? Do you think these bands are on tv or the radio or something?

Here you can see the grudge you have. You say you are anti-"pop music", but then bash local bands playing in college towns for no money or fame?

You make no sense dude. :2 cents:

and this?! so annoying!!! You talk about hating labels and shit. But you use the term "indie" like some snot nose little mtv watching brat.

? Indie means independent, not signed to a commercial record label. /definition

If you go to a R&B club downdown and watch some dude freestyle who isn't signed to a commercial record label. That is Indie. If you go watch some "Cure" wannabe drowning in his own sorrow and isn't signed to a commercial record label, that is indie.

Indie is not a "style" of music. Stop referring to it as such. :warning

Uhg, I loath discussing music with people who listen to the radio and/or watch music television.

Most music these days, in one word: shit.

But there is still some really good stuff out there for everyone's taste.

Some of my (fairly) current picks:

The Black Keys
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FVnBU3tIci8

Year Long Disaster
https://youtube.com/watch?v=NF9y4DEnkP8

(The incomparable) Mark Lanegan
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4e9SReA90Yo

Soulsavers (feat. the incomparable Mark Lanegan)
https://youtube.com/watch?v=V_5KaMESF-s

Porcupine Tree
https://youtube.com/watch?v=P3ihI_5t9Ws

Riverside
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nn8aCsEyLFY

This "old" thread is too much for me atm. >I'm drunk

Forgot to embed the videos:

I haven't read the entire thread, but I just wanted to add that the real creativity I've noticed in recent musical years is in the non-mainstream genres: downtempo jazz, drum and bass, etc. "Bands" like Thievery Corp, Nouvelle Vague, Aphex Twin don't quite break into the main streams but break experimental ground and have their own fans regardless.

:thumbsup

yes, a definition, ok so now you'll define what's independent by labeling it "indie" ah I get it now

:)

I don't know, how should I know.

So what you're saying is that you can suck as much as you want unless you take money for it?

Yes, in other words a lame band that you label as "indie" and market to people who are limited in decepting style but big in decepting pose

Music is music and should speak for itself without any bullshit labeling,

indie is a swindle - it's either bands that are so lame no major label will ever sign them or something too extravagant and outside of sane world that no major label will ever sign them, then they pick one of those very lame bands time from time and give them a little airplay and ALL OF A SUDDEN an INDEPENDENT and INDIE explosion arises!

And boards all over the internet are filled with "independent" fans sharing all the "indie" shit etc.

Music is music,

if you're taking your music seriously you definitely don't want to be labeled as "indie" cause that means something worse then those official bands, that means you can't make it and that you're a loser, a poser.

Ok then they turned it around and they made a style for kids that are starving for "independent" they picked one of those 100 lame bands up to market to kids that never had a chance to create their own style but are hungry for "independent" music.

Here's an example of independent - aay for example Guns n Roses and the song "One in a million" - now that was independent!

They were a bunch of jerks getting high and making millions of dollars, in 1988 they made a song that was so politically uncorrect that it caused major heat, that song would never ever be released today in the bullshit world of political correctness.

That's what I call independent and it doesn't have nothing in common if someone is under the contract or not.

The day real music will make money again is the day of revelation.

You better go find some pal

I haven't had a TV for four years but ... wait a minute why the fuck would I even want to justify my very poor musical comprehension based on a constant effort for about 15 years in front of you?

Who are you that you're so fighting for all those incredibly lame bands and share one silly pseudo intellectual remark after another?

Cool, I'm a huge fan of Mark Lanegan.

I'll check those out, thanks!

Aphex Twin is crazy!

I remember in about 2002 I went home drunk and I had a TV at that time so I started one of the German channels and there was the 10 minute version trippy video of Aphex Twin's Window Licker..

Damn, I remember this so intense, it was very visual.

Are you really that disappointed with what the current stable of record executives have concocted to fill your radio with this year?

I turned off my radio around when you mentioned. I'm not sure why anyone turns it on to be honest. If I have the mood I will listen to the community supported jazz station sometimes, and also the 2 or 3 college radio stations we have. Other than that, nothing. Oh, and AM radio for the baseball or hockey game sometimes.

I love music, therefore I hate the radio. Why keep looking for good music there?

I think what you saw happen in 1996 is music evolve into something you lost touch with, as you said.

Like if you were into techno, you'd know all about the great DJ's and producers, who put out what records, there's anthems and classics you've probably never heard.. Yet if you were into techno, it would all be clear.

I think music got splintered, and with lack of general recognition for each sub-genre, you just end up lost if you haven't spent the time to be part of that subculture.

It's like we all know the Sex Pistols because they got famous. But do we know all the other great punk bands that a real punk fan knows about? We only know of the ones that got famous or notorious - and nobody gets famous anymore outside of the bad music club.

I'm a big hiphop fan. I mean I love all music, and my dad exposed me to a lot of jazz, blues, 80's rock, classic rock, classical, etc. He has a big collection. When I found hiphop in the early 90's, I could finally listen to music in real time.. NEW stuff was coming out.... I can't tell you how cool that was for someone who just listened to older stuff. The collecting gene was passed on, and now I have a massive library of lots of music, but certainly mostly hiphop.

You're right though. When I find someone else that listens to hiphop music, I'm obviously excited to have a common interest, but 9 times out of 10 they listen to garbage.. I mean shit that I wouldn't poke with a stick. It's just background music for them. They just don't listen.

Then there's the people who ARE into music, but refuse to venture outside of what "they like". That's just as bad I think. I can appreciate almost any kind of music, even experimental jazz and that IDM industrial experimental synthesizer stuff.. I may not love it, but I can listen and appreciate it.

So I think those ? marks you write should make you happy, because it means you have a lot of space to fill and "new" music to "find" :)

Also if I know anything about music, it's that depressed, angry, and generally sad people make GREAT fucking music. Maybe these economic times will trigger some creativity! :winkwink:

So let me introduce you to some people I know and love, in this small subcompartment of music. Fitting first track by Masta Ace.. "this is for those, that don't know the half"

Masta Ace


Cage


MF Doom


Madlib


J Dilla


so many more.

And that's the problem - there's so much shit out there that I can really hardly imagine being able to build any taste at all if I would be raised these days.

When I was 10 all that you had was radio or two tv channels and a couple pirated cassettes and a couple vinyl records, but that all was actually filled with interesting music = a good start to explore more.

As I said, over the years I've ventured from heavy metal to blues to classic rock to funk, to all kinds of jazz music hell even Brasilian music or chanson and freaky alternative depressive psycho stuff, all kinds of things most people would probably never even find interesting.

But I always love that "hey hey let's rock" music too, because you don't want to read Kafka all the time.

That's very true, on the other hand like hip hop - I didn't understood the music but found acts that I respect greatly, I think strong lyrics and realness counts in hip hop more than in anything else, it's the spirit.

So I don't think you can ridicule any music genre it's always people who take their music serious, like Roni Size for example although I hate 99 pct. of drum n bass music.

That's correct, and that's what I even mentioned in my original text, but that's not the point - the point is no matter how fake stunt the whole sex pistols were it was very cool to have PUNK hitting media because something was happening in the pop culture!

I'm talking about something vs. nothing, about balls vs. impotence.

Exactly!

They don't listen, they're hypnosed into believing something is good and they see shit through the pink glasses!

I try hard, send me recommendations.


That's why I'm starting a band!

:winkwink:

Cool thanks!

one word: SHIT

bingo :thumbsup

Again, you are the one labeling things. Independent isn't a label, it simply means if the band is signed to a commercial record label or not. A band or musician can be "labeled" many things, but what record label they are signed to is not a "label", it's just what record label they are signed to. Nothing less, nothing more.

YOU label them that way, because for some reason you feel "indie" or "independent" is some sort of pseudo meaning, style, or genre. You even mention it in the bottom or your post.

See... You need to break free of that bullshit persona. Drop the false meanings you've given the term indie, take it for what it means. Not what some radio station tells you they want it to mean.

Once you do, a band will either be indie or not. Nothing more, nothing less. Whether they are indie or not has no effect on their style of music, their genre, their popularity, or how good they are. It's just which label they are signed to. Nothing more!

Hey one more interesting thing about never turning on a radio:

I have no idea what Lady Gaga sounds like. I've seen her name mentioned on TV and the internet, but I have never heard a single song by her.

Similarly all those teen pop groups (jonas brothers?) never heard a song from them.

I am blissfully ignorant. :) They have zero impact on my life.

Feces.

..

Yes, crazy stuff, for sure! But like Socks said, unless you're "into" that genre, you wouldn't have been exposed to Aphex Twin or Squarepusher or any of those neato folks.

Advice from Aphex Twin (from Wikipedia)

Future Music: What pisses you off about the current music scene?
Aphex Twin: Too many sheep and not enough shepherds. Let's all sit back and have a long hard think, then make something different! We can all do it, surely?[37]

Yeah but, you know I think the real title should have been

How can you describe these days pop CULTURE in one sentence..

What's the movement in the pop culture.. it doesn't make sense to reason if one listens to radio or not, let's talk about what is the mass spread "culture" and what does it try to say.

you have 50's - rock n roll - rebellion, short skirts hairdos cool cars etc.

you have 60's and hippie shit, soft drugs and love and all that crap

you have 70's and everyone is sick of hippies so it's heavy metal, alternative acts roots of new wave and punk / punk rock etc.

you have 80's and it's pure decadence, new romance all that synthesizer shit, hair metal and it's all about having fun wasting money, while there's trash metal movement emerging to bring something for those, who are not that happy end easy

you have the 90's with Seattle scene that's again somewhat a revolt against hair metal arena rock etc. and is the more raw sound that tries to have more meaning.

You have trip hop which again is nothing funny but very real and very accurate for the times of digital emptiness that we're facing these days

NOTE that for example Portishead's Dummy was voted album of the year in 94 or 95 and you had Portishead on MTV.

Now you have 00's and what is the movement now?

Is there any movement in the popular culture?

apart from those Emo morons or massive explosion of douchebaggin with the most mindless easy listening music of all time in the background?

Is there anything available to masses that wouldn't be just a pre-fabricated impotent pose without a real meaning?