fucking retarded models

I have probably done 2000 interviews over 5-6 years for models, photographers, assistants and so on. I find most do not read beyond pay.

When people contact me, I send them 2-3 generic reply responses. I tell them to go read these sites, provide them the links. I tell them to read the requirements, and more importantly the Q&A from models over the years as it will answer most of their questions and clue them if it's a job match. They reply. I hit them with #2, 'if you can suck toes, and are ticklish you'll be fine'. Then the last one before they get any kind of personal response from me.

Even then, most do not read. How do I know? First question in an interview...

"So, tell me what you know about this job?"

what do you expect from a rib....

Mine says females only no suitcase pimps but they still seem to reply as well

most milfs will spread their legs if you promise you will close all the lights

If they're that thick, you'd be better off spell it out in clearer terms to them. Maybe even a picture, dumb people like pictures to explain things.

what a damn hassle some people are. I swear some models live in a dream world. it's always best to be explicit in your description. twice.

Most "models" are under the impression or telling themselves that it's only nude art if they aren't spreading, like they'll ever be cast for any other type of modeling..

if it was not for agents/suitcase pimps/pimps then more then 90% of the girls wouldnt be able to shoot.....its a simple fact.......I mean why would you throw away between 0% to 100% of your cash to these people to get you work....but they cant find "real" work if it hit them on the face and then after they found it and set up the day and time.....somehow they lose track of time/days or the Sheriff/Police/Probation Officer/Marshals Service someway finds them before their shoot day/time and they usually have some type of VOP/Bench Warrant out on them.

Explicit Nudity does not mean open leg and masturbation. Well not in my dictionary.

But these are things you clear up on the casting, you just say to the model "I'm sorry but for you that's all we would have for you at this moment in time." Then when or if she asks why, you say she's the wrong look for the softer work, to tall, short, slim, small tits, etc.

99 times out of as hundred they get up and move on.

Of course if these models are responding to an advert I assume they are phoning or emailing you. When you answer/reply you tell them what it involves. Doing it on the casting is a wasted of yours and their time.

Exactly right!

I know only 1 in 10 will end up working for me. I have that attitude going into interviews. So work for me, or do not. I do not care either way. I am here to provide you a job offer. Think on it, get back to me. However, I filter out 80% of the people who contact me. I know most are not going to want to do our work.

Luring them in is a sales pitching like any other. Once you have found a way to cast a big enough net, you then need to thin the herd and find out who can do the work, and can't, eliminating those who are a waste of time, and only interviewing those you are 90% sure will and can do what you want.

Like I said, 1 in 10, at least for me and my experience. I, with this economy, have 50 new people a week contacting me. Before this economy, and 2 years back. Maybe 12. However, I know most will not be a job match. So I treat my recruiting as such.

It works like a charm for me to the point I have it down to a science.

fucking lame

1 in 10 is a pretty good rate. We shoot loads of girls on castings for amateur, readers wives, etc. But to get through to a real shoot it's less than 10% make it. Part of the job, and a very important part, is doing castings.

I wrote a lot of tips here about castings. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showthread.php?t=902243 should of included telling the girl before she turns up what you do. My mistake.

they just think about money

most girls i've tried to do nude shoots with, i've found, just want the attention and verification that they're pretty enough to photograph. like they'd be america's next top model or something. i stopped shooting years ago because of all the crazy attention whores that didn't want to get explicit.

I don't think it's them being stupid... if you aren't explaining everything you expect when you set up the appt... that is YOUR fault.

It sounds like you have never recruited and shot models.

I usually get 1:20 out of the people that reply.

mostly because old men that can't get laid try getting in on the action aswell!

Explicit Nudity to me does mean 'pink' - and 99% of girls I talk to seem to know that means 'Hustler style'. But definitely doesn't mean masturbation/toys. You need to spell that out if that's what you want. For me, i tell them it's either 'Playboy style/non open leg', or 'open leg Met Art, no spreads/pink' or 'explict/Hustler/pink'

I just don't have to trick anyone to do anything... and I DO recruit models...

Most of the people are trying to do something without learning the lessons,the rules.That's a fact.We see this people everywhere.

its not only models, general people do. Webmasters too. For instance when you post buy or sell thread - you get people asking questions that are already mentioned there or doing other things that are against what you wrote..

not really suprising

Amen toe dat shit.

You mean they don't do porn as a long term self fulfilling career?

It's the money, that makes them easy to control.

Be more clear...Girls are slow. Double say or tripple say if needed

I hire about 1 in 5 of the girls I personally Interview but I always insist on a phone conversation before setting up an interview - this lets me weed out the sextards and saves me a bundle of time. If hiring modes that are traveling, I do most of it over the phone and often set up a web-cam chat. This helps a lot in weeding out those that don't meet my requirements. On initial contact, a very large percentage of the models responding to adds haven't read the requirements listed in the add or were referred by a friend that has no fucking clue what we do, even though the adds all list a url and detailed descriptions.

That said, when my ex was in the industry, she would get hundreds of responses from "producers" that couldn't read the big bold type that read "NO ANAL" requesting her for their anal sites. Funny part is, she really liked anal in her personal life but refused to do it on film - go figure.

Maybe it's more of a 'human nature' thing than just something we can attribute only to models

I was recently communicating with a busty model for one of my websites.

The site is http://www.BoobieMovies.com which was referenced throughout the communications.

After negotiating pay, and potential shooting dates, she tells me she does not do video... just stills.

Nice!

Mate.. Im a little confused. I dont see much info on the number of photos you have on the site.

The most retarded are probably those amateur girls with no experience at all.. I was about to shoot a bitch from an internet chat, we talked a lot and were almost ready for a meeting..

Her first strange requirement was to fuck her first so we can get to know each other.. I was surprised but couldnt really object (haha) so after like 2 hours of chat, tired of explaining what I want to do I gave her my icq and she found out I was only 21 and suddenly said "NO" in a second cause I was "too young for her" despite the fact that this should have been a masturbation movie for good $$ .. she was like 22-23, stupid bitch

oh and just try dealing with gipsy whores.. that just as bad as trying to get rid of them on the street

I totally understand. I have a model that shoots for a site my husband owns. He is having the site rebuilt and wants to shoot a little more explicit sets occasionally. So a model he has shot with a few times contacted him about shooting again. He told her that he did not have any glamour work right now, but would get back to her when he did. She usually only shoots glamour. She e-mailed him back and asked what he had available. So Greg told her that he was looking to shoot models that were comfortable with spreads shots and using fingers or toys to masterbate with. So she said that she was fine with shooting that for a higher rate. They worked out the rates and she agreed to pics and video. Then she e-mails back and asks how big the toys would be. I guess we are supposed to buy the toys and they have to be small. Then she calls and says that she wants to shoot only picture sets and no video's. So Greg says he respects that but he wants to work with a model that is willing to shoot both. She then gets all bitchy about it. He was clear on what he wanted from the start. I am not sure what the hell is wrong with some of these women.

I've also had women change their minds about shoot specifics. I really have no tolerance for models who want to list terms & conditions, and basically try to be a back-seat producer. This was a problem I had many years ago when I first started casting. It's a little odd because I've not had the problem since, and most every model I've worked with has been very agreeable to everything I need done. But that may have more to do with my higher rates than anything else.

All of your troubles will fade away when you get with the program and start working with trafficked women and sex slaves.

Thats it man shits happends sometime

i know some "smart" models, but not so much. smart women can mostly get money without showing their body to the public. But not so much smart and beautyful women out there :D

That was my point. The site is called BoobieMOVIES.com and in the end the model says she does not do video. After we have discussed all of the details she says she only does stills. I was confused as well.

Models can certainly be stupid but "Explicit Nudity" certainly does not mean spread legs and masturbation. I used to deal with mainstream models and photographers all the time and "nudity" always means "nudity". Nude girls posing in nature or in front of backdrops is a common subject for photographers, see Femjoy.com or Playboy. In fact if you go to OneModelPlace.com you will find women who WILL do Glamour (Peek-a-boo Nude), Artistic Nude, Nude, Erotic Nude but NOT Adult Nude.

Here is an example:
http://www.onemodelplace.com/member.cfm?ID=64945

You need to add some words that mainstream models understand: "Adult Oriented", "Hardcore", "Hustler-like", "Pornographic".

and these are some of the reasons I stopped shooting content. LOL

After almost 40 years of shooting Glamour/Nude /Porn, i've seen a lot of strange stuff. It's not only models who are nuts, there are a few photographers around who are one brick short of a load. We had one posting here on GFY until recently ?

Most newspapers / magazines will not allow you to be specific in you're advertising. Can you imagine allowing the following accurate informative advert:

Young female models wanted, must be 18-24, to be able to suck cock, take a 8 inch cock in the ass and swallow copious amounts of semen, a professional attitude is required.

So what I do is place an advert asking models to visit a website specially set up to answer all their questions in an open and honest way, this works 90% of the time. I still get 10% who will not, or cannot read ?

I love crazy model stories.

Two posts from people who understand.

Seriously and I am not trying to be clever here. How many of you recruiting models have been in front of the camera as a model or/and been on a management training course that involved employing people?

Because some of the answers are clear you need to think from the other side of the coin. It's a management term for thinking like the other guy and appreciating how he see the situation.

Let's look at it from the two sides. And it's general.

MODELS SIDE.

(A) Models do not look on being a porn star as a positive career move.
(B) In most cases they know your job is a one off job, especially if they're bad. Fewer models today get re booked like they used to.
(C) There is little communication between shooters, so if she or he is crap there is little come back for them.
(D) They have little reason to give you a good, average or poor performance, other than you kicking them out or your "model's management" skills.
(E) The previous people she worked for might of been clueless at handling, training and guiding models on how to maximise themselves. AND accepted what she or he did.
(F) She or he thinks you will be making a fortune out of her or his body.
(G) You're about to shoot them and give the content to 1,000s of affiliates, plus all the thieves to stick in places their family and friends will find the content. They're giving up their anonymity.
(H) They need the money. How badly depends what you get from them.

(I) THEY'RE ALL INDIVIDUALS WITH DIFFERENT NEEDS, AIMS, MOTIVATIONS, PERSONALITIES, CHARACTERS, FEARS, LIKES, DISLIKES, ATTITUDES AND HISTORY.

SHOOTERS SIDE.

(A) If you want YOUR work or a site to sell and retain you need a great performance out of every girl or guy on your site.

IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE. You're either stacking shelves with tins of meat or creating a feast of pornographic fantasy.

It's down to your skills to manage the models. Some lack self confidence and do need constant reassurance. One of my best models over the last 30 years would simply not work if she did not think she was turning me on and I would make love to her after the shoot. Another was a constant battle to get off her high horse and stop her from thinking I was in the least interested in her.

Some will fuck anything at the drop of a hat if they fancy you, some are terrified they will have to fuck you. Some like to be treated like ladies, some like sluts, but most want to be treated like human beings doing a job AND WITH RESPECT.

Do your job well and you end up with a product that has a chance in a sea of mire, do it badly and you're part of the mire. Always remember, the models need your money less than you need a great performance out of her.

Sorry for it being long winded but the above was learned on a training course that took two full weeks. It was not for a porn company, but a lot of what I learned is very useful when dealing with models.

The final point is this.

LOOK A COIN FROM BOTH SIDES AND SEE THE DIFFERENT VIEWS OF THE SITUATION.

A lot of us that are talent also hire other talent to shoot for our websites. So I can see it from both sides. I also know a lot of talent are flaky as hell. The example I gave was of a model that has been shooting for at least 4 years. All details were given to her along with the rates that she agreed to. Then she wanted to be paid the same rate but change what she she was going to be shooting. Since when does a model direct the shoot they were hired for?

Since the last shoot she was on and the shooter allowed her to get away with it.

Models learn bad habits from bad shooters.

Obviously being a model you see both sides. Do you work only for your site or do you work with other shooters for their sites or content?

I'm expanding on the above in another thread and will post a link to it soon.

I've written this about models. Read it and see if it's useful. I see a lot of one sided views in this thread. This might help.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showpo...3&postcount=68

And that's why amateurs suck.

why not just advertise... "Solo Play" required

Our print papers would never allow that phrase.

Yeah, I feel your pain. Im dealing with some models at the moment and it's death. Some girls know what they want and others have no clue.

My advert says "explicit photos/videos" and let I get girls wanting hundreds more dollars just to do lingerie/panties/non nude + payment up front.

I mean wtf, where these girls come from?
I reply with "read the website again and if your still interested email me" and they never reply back.
I think they just see "you can make $$$" and email me without reading the rest of the site.

explicit nudes = fully nude

sounds like the problem is on your end, not the model's