but its still my design god damn it!

Look at the latest change on the site -- is he doing it himself ?
-->> Link <<--

First of all.

I couldn't believe that another design company would hire an outside designer for their own website design.

Now is that fucked up or what?
lmaooooooo.

SO correct me if I am mistaken, but this whole fiasco was initially over a site design that has been in use UNCONTESTED for two years now ?

I am by no means a lawyer, but who's trying to play who for an idiot here?

I have not met Hungry Man in person, nor have I had any business dealings with him, so I am not about to pass judgement on his character, but I think this post is way out of line, and I don't think anybody has made a convincing arguement.

I just read all seven pages, and the only person involved who seemed to act the least bit professional is "vidvicious".

I'm off to make more money!

Yeah...and ya'll need to take advice from the man.

A man who has no clue how to make money off the worlds most popular domain...

lmaooooooooooo

:evil-laug

good for you Gary hope you make some bling bling...

but look thru all the bullshit and only valid point is:

I now own the design!

AM Jeff

Lets compare bank books for shits and giggles one day.

Gary...just think.

You'd have 50X more money if you knew how to properly market that thing.

A SE ain't it.

You old friend..Stephen Cohen made 20X times the money you did.

Thou..I'm glad you got the domain back from that piece of shit.

But YOU have no clue..just deep pockets.

Sad...your pockets COULD be alot deeper.

If you ONLY knew.

Hmmm, seems someone's upset they didn't register any domains back in 1994.

How many people you know on here that registered domains in 94?

I bet Ron Levi or many others would kill at an opportunity to market sex.com and pay 50% to Gary.

Even if the deal was...it had to do more income than it currently is now.

Outsourcing is far more prevelant in today's business model than anybody here seems t realise and last time I checked it was not a crime.

I employ 8 people full time in my office (not porn related) and also have maybe another 10 people available to me as easy as a phone call.

There are "many" benefits to outsourcing work that have been totally ignored in this thread. It seems like a lynching to me.

I am going to have to agree with the minority here, that Mr. Hungryman and/or Paysite Designs (I am not sure if he is the owner, but I am led to believe he is, or at least one of it's executives) has been very unjustly defamated here. If it was me, I'd have lawyers crawling all over this. Sometimes people take things way to far, and I feel this is one of those times. I started reading this Sunday and wondered WTF? but now seeing how this has progressed is just utterly disgusting.

I am going to be contacting Paysite Designs today to do some work for me. I like their prices and portfolio REGARDLESS OF WHO SPECIFICALLY did the designs. :pimp

(Amputate Your Head: I looked at your site as well, and could not even find a portfolio :eek7 )

People aren't upset because Hungryman outsources. They are upset because he passed the work off, again and again, as his own. (He talked about "my" stuff, "my" work, etc.) More importantly, they are upset because he didn't *pay* for it. Have you even been paying attention?

if thats the design, which the 3 chicks in the suits, then it blows. fighting for no reason, just because someone is bored. such babies call themselves grown men and wonder why they need to produce a credit card every damn time in order to get laid.

When hands make something 'tangible' it is protected.

The moment something is uploaded to the web as a 'piece' it becomes tangible, and as soon as you show it to others, it is protected.

http://www.whatiscopyright.org

'When does ? take effect?"

Copyright protection begins when any of the above described work is actually created and fixed in a tangible form. '



:glugglug

did you try to contact him? The below options look faster than a board topic.
http://paysitedesign.com/contact.html

of course a board topic has more fun :glugglug

yep soul tried contacting him, his partner, isprime.. icq ya name it...

not like im some evil person with no heart... :winkwink:

heheheh gotta love the drama :rainfro :GFYBand :rainfro

heh bob..

drama = perhaps
design = mine!

:glugglug

100!

Weird... I registered the copyright 2 days ago. How does that work out?

yep. copyright does not need to be applied for like a trademark or patent.

Copyright protection subsists from the time the work is created in fixed form. The copyright in the work of authorship immediately becomes the property of the author who created the work. Only the author or those deriving their rights through the author can rightfully claim copyright.

In the case of works made for hire, the employer and not the employee is considered to be the author. Section 101 of the copyright law defines a "work made for hire" as:

(1) a work prepared by an employee within the scope of his or her employment; or
(2) a work specially ordered or commissioned for use as:
a contribution to a collective work
a part of a motion picture or other audiovisual work
a translation
a supplementary work
a compilation
an instructional text
a test
answer material for a test
an atlas
if the parties expressly agree in a written instrument signed by them that the work shall be considered a work made for hire....

The authors of a joint work are co-owners of the copyright in the work, unless there is an agreement to the contrary.

Copyright in each separate contribution to a periodical or other collective work is distinct from copyright in the collective work as a whole and vests initially with the author of the contribution.


Two General Principles
Mere ownership of a book, manuscript, painting, or any other copy or phonorecord does not give the possessor the copyright. The law provides that transfer of ownership of any material object that embodies a protected work does not of itself convey any rights in the copyright.
Minors may claim copyright, but state laws may regulate the business dealings involving copyrights owned by minors. For information on relevant state laws, consult an attorney.

Copyright protects "original works of authorship" that are fixed in a tangible form of expression. The fixation need not be directly perceptible so long as it may be communicated with the aid of a machine or device. Copyrightable works include the following categories:

literary works;
musical works, including any accompanying words
dramatic works, including any accompanying music
pantomimes and choreographic works
pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works
motion pictures and other audiovisual works
sound recordings
architectural works
These categories should be viewed broadly. For example, computer programs and most "compilations" may be registered as "literary works"; maps and architectural plans may be registered as "pictorial, graphic, and sculptural works."

HOW TO SECURE A COPYRIGHT
Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation
The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following Note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See "Copyright Registration."

Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is "created" when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time. "Copies" are material objects from which a work can be read or visually perceived either directly or with the aid of a machine or device, such as books, manuscripts, sheet music, film, videotape, or microfilm. "Phonorecords" are material objects embodying fixations of sounds (excluding, by statutory definition, motion picture soundtracks), such as cassette tapes, CDs, or LPs. Thus, for example, a song (the "work") can be fixed in sheet music (" copies") or in phonograph disks (" phonorecords"), or both.

If a work is prepared over a period of time, the part of the work that is fixed on a particular date constitutes the created work as of that date.

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