The original PSD files are all you ever needed to begin with. People can mail themselves a screen cap or HTML version of the design all they want. Without the original PSD files, it's all moot. Copyright was initiated the moment the PSD files were created.

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Yeah it doesn't make sense to spend thousands fililng a copyright when you can do one that will hold up in court (and scare off anyone with a dispute) for < $10.

Actually, that does happen all the time. :winkwink:

cool very informative Gman.357!

"Bone, if you really filed a claim yesterday, it's invalid, and you just wasted your $3500 or whatever it was you paid."

$3500 was only for the legal fees, we´ve spent another $35.000 on expenses. (firstclass flight to new york, limoservices, lapdancers ... ah you know ...). don´t tell me it was all a waste of money ...

But anyone can hold the psd files. Does that make them the FIRST person to hold them? That's what the debate is....

If you have a sealed fedex envelope with a CD inside it that has the original PSD file on it.. there is nothing to argue about.

If you dont have a poor mans copyright & 5 people have the PSD file, all claiming to be the original author, or claiming they have rights.... .then there is a problem. Due to economics of everything -- they probably all WOULD have rights to it. Hell, the first one that does a poor mans copyright with the PSD would probably win in court.

only one man holds the psd files...

guess who and win a beer!

you ?

no

amp does until I recieve it in the mail :glugglug

Thanks. The only reason I can even speak with any kind of knowledge on the matter is because I had to copyright and trademark many things in the past for a business I had previously. I found out many of the steps I took for copyrights were unnecessary on a legal standpoint. It does help to have a record of the creation of the material, but it's not entirely necessary for all things. In your case, since you're the only one with original PSD files... and PSD files are the absolute beginning of the design process... that's evidence enough of the copyright to the said design. But it won't hurt to have some documentation of the creation of those PSD files as well. Then someone can't turn around and make a claim that you somehow stole those files from them, which of course they would have to prove. Either way, the burden of proof is on THEM.
:winkwink:

dont dring beer anyways - so it cool :thumbsup

BoneProne - you should read this - its about Trademark and copyright :winkwink:

or the easy read version

I've been thinking the exact same thing the whole time. I didn't want to say anything though, but since AMP feels the same ---

What's up with that design anyway? I just dont get the whole

Phantom of the opera + Jason LIVES! + hookers in suits = a paysite design company.

Maybe its just me.

But I do understand why AMP has started the battle, good design or not :P

Valid points. However, since right now none of these other guys have anything more than the HTML version of the files (supposedly), and Vegasdude holds the originals... there's really no point of argument. Regardless of when the originals were made, if Vegas and Amp are the only ones with the originals, they're the only ones with the copyrights to the material (actually, AMP is the copyright holder), and the burden of proof is on everyone else staking claim to them.

Oh undoubtedly. If they are the only ones with the PSDs and Vegas has a document or in the VERY LEAST a paper trial of pament to AMP for that specifc design -- then he owns it.

Even if AMP originally sold it to hungryman or whoever... if he didnt give them the PSD's or a contract for that specific design then they are fucked -- they are just in copyright violation pure & simple. But I'm guessing its a bit more complicated than that.

They probably have some records of payments to AMP for other jobs or something.. which probably wouldn't help much, but bottom line is no psds or a contract for that specific design & you better just hang it up.

not sure why but I like the design and I got this crazy idea for a cool 404 page! heh

I was under the impression that everyone had the PSD's... AMP -> hungryman -> whoever that other person was -> Vic/Vid whatever the name was.

I thought the psd was being spread around the whole time.

YEah I just looked at it again.. I just don't like the mask girl thing at all. The rest of the design is cool =)

yep. Exactly. And I agree... it could be more complicated than we think. It would be interesting to find out (even though I'm willing to bet all of this is much ado about nothing) who had the original PSD REALLY , and who has or had a contract for this design.

Because I have a hunch 90% of this is just a bunch of guys blowing smoke up each other's asses. :1orglaugh :2 cents:

The design isn't half bad. If you have the original PSD files as you claim, then slight modifications would be easy. But I don't know how modifications to the original would affect your copyright claim to that design. :winkwink:

Damn....
Im gunna sue my attorney.

I think he took me for a ride.

hehe ugly or not its mine from tomorrow if HM doesn't contact me cuz I have given him every option... he has choosen silence then thats fine but it will go online then and AMP is the one with the "ball" and I bought it!

simple case if it goes to court... it will probally end before cuz there is only one judgement possible!

hell we need a worldwide judge judy :1orglaugh

:1orglaugh

U have a while to go till you go big time

:GFYBand

We're talking low budget copyright matters here foe.

A ~$1000 site design doesnt quite justify getting traditional copyrights. So without an 'offical' copyright record, you have to make due as best you can if someone challenges your copyright. I'm just saying its going to be hard to do if everyone with the PSD is claiming to be the original creator.

On another note, STFU & GFY :321GFY

You don't need to use something expensive as Fed Ex to copyright.

Us the good ol USPS..

Everybody who has contributed to this circus is either

A) pulling off the biggest publicity stunt since the GFY Design Contest

or

B) so totally clueless that you have failed to realize how fucking foolish the whole bunch of you(s) look.

My guess is a little of both A and B!

It is really disturbing to watch a bunch of grown adults behave in this manner. I don't see that much of anything has been accomplished here, but I am such a newbie, so what would I know?

Notice how people making money in the biz have avoided this topic like the plague?
Time to get back to making money people!

but its still my design god damn it!

Look at the latest change on the site -- is he doing it himself ?
-->> Link <<--

First of all.

I couldn't believe that another design company would hire an outside designer for their own website design.

Now is that fucked up or what?
lmaooooooo.

SO correct me if I am mistaken, but this whole fiasco was initially over a site design that has been in use UNCONTESTED for two years now ?

I am by no means a lawyer, but who's trying to play who for an idiot here?

I have not met Hungry Man in person, nor have I had any business dealings with him, so I am not about to pass judgement on his character, but I think this post is way out of line, and I don't think anybody has made a convincing arguement.

I just read all seven pages, and the only person involved who seemed to act the least bit professional is "vidvicious".

I'm off to make more money!

Yeah...and ya'll need to take advice from the man.

A man who has no clue how to make money off the worlds most popular domain...

lmaooooooooooo

:evil-laug

good for you Gary hope you make some bling bling...

but look thru all the bullshit and only valid point is:

I now own the design!

AM Jeff

Lets compare bank books for shits and giggles one day.

Gary...just think.

You'd have 50X more money if you knew how to properly market that thing.

A SE ain't it.

You old friend..Stephen Cohen made 20X times the money you did.

Thou..I'm glad you got the domain back from that piece of shit.

But YOU have no clue..just deep pockets.

Sad...your pockets COULD be alot deeper.

If you ONLY knew.

Hmmm, seems someone's upset they didn't register any domains back in 1994.

How many people you know on here that registered domains in 94?

I bet Ron Levi or many others would kill at an opportunity to market sex.com and pay 50% to Gary.

Even if the deal was...it had to do more income than it currently is now.

Outsourcing is far more prevelant in today's business model than anybody here seems t realise and last time I checked it was not a crime.

I employ 8 people full time in my office (not porn related) and also have maybe another 10 people available to me as easy as a phone call.

There are "many" benefits to outsourcing work that have been totally ignored in this thread. It seems like a lynching to me.

I am going to have to agree with the minority here, that Mr. Hungryman and/or Paysite Designs (I am not sure if he is the owner, but I am led to believe he is, or at least one of it's executives) has been very unjustly defamated here. If it was me, I'd have lawyers crawling all over this. Sometimes people take things way to far, and I feel this is one of those times. I started reading this Sunday and wondered WTF? but now seeing how this has progressed is just utterly disgusting.

I am going to be contacting Paysite Designs today to do some work for me. I like their prices and portfolio REGARDLESS OF WHO SPECIFICALLY did the designs. :pimp

(Amputate Your Head: I looked at your site as well, and could not even find a portfolio :eek7 )

People aren't upset because Hungryman outsources. They are upset because he passed the work off, again and again, as his own. (He talked about "my" stuff, "my" work, etc.) More importantly, they are upset because he didn't *pay* for it. Have you even been paying attention?

if thats the design, which the 3 chicks in the suits, then it blows. fighting for no reason, just because someone is bored. such babies call themselves grown men and wonder why they need to produce a credit card every damn time in order to get laid.

When hands make something 'tangible' it is protected.

The moment something is uploaded to the web as a 'piece' it becomes tangible, and as soon as you show it to others, it is protected.

http://www.whatiscopyright.org

'When does ? take effect?"

Copyright protection begins when any of the above described work is actually created and fixed in a tangible form. '



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did you try to contact him? The below options look faster than a board topic.
http://paysitedesign.com/contact.html

of course a board topic has more fun :glugglug

yep soul tried contacting him, his partner, isprime.. icq ya name it...

not like im some evil person with no heart... :winkwink:

heheheh gotta love the drama :rainfro :GFYBand :rainfro

heh bob..

drama = perhaps
design = mine!

:glugglug