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quantum-x 04-30-2009 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by CyberHustler (Post 15806067)
Thanks dude. I swear I feel like an idiot for not thinking of that. I wonder what other little simple tricks like that I'm missing out on.
I guess this is the reason I'm so perplexed about this 'issue' - it's not a problem at all.
You embed a link code in an image - hell, embed it w/ a campaign - and then not only do you get the typein traffic, but you also get to measure it...

BTW, just wait until you work out the effects of the tip above. It's called cookie crunching: you embed thousands of links to every major porn site out there on your page, so if the surfer happens to typein www.brazzers.com after being on your site (or whenever) - he's already cookied to you....

Edit: ...100 reasons to not run crying to a board

Tempest 04-30-2009 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 15806080)
I guess this is the reason I'm so perplexed about this 'issue' - it's not a problem at all.
You embed a link code in an image - hell, embed it w/ a campaign - and then not only do you get the typein traffic, but you also get to measure it...
You can't promote Brazzers.com. There is no link code for it. Programs set their own affiliate code on type-ins these days.. So you're old school method is useless when the program is out to actually force more type ins from your traffic and then take those sales for themselves.

quantum-x 04-30-2009 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 15806116)
You can't promote Brazzers.com. There is no link code for it. Programs set their own affiliate code on type-ins these days.. So you're old school method is useless when the program is out to actually force more type ins from your traffic and then take those sales for themselves.
Maybe I picked a bad example..
In any case, the site that all the 'drama' started over yesterday: pornpros - the technique works perfectly for them, and i'd imagine 99% of sites out there.

At the end of the day, it doesn't sound like there's any pleasing you.
Seems you need to take the option number 1, and promote someone else.

For the others, they'll maximize their toolkits and their revenue.

LadyMischief 04-30-2009 05:38 PM
So let me get this straight. The ones that spend all the money to produce the content, encode it, and provide it to their members AND their affiliates shouldn't put their name on it? Wow. All I gotta say.

quantum-x 04-30-2009 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 15806168)
So let me get this straight. The ones that spend all the money to produce the content, encode it, and provide it to their members AND their affiliates shouldn't put their name on it? Wow. All I gotta say.
Really, right? :disgust

Tempest 04-30-2009 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 15806168)
So let me get this straight. The ones that spend all the money to produce the content, encode it, and provide it to their members AND their affiliates shouldn't put their name on it? Wow. All I gotta say.
You clearly don't read much..

Tempest 04-30-2009 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 15806162)
Maybe I picked a bad example..
In any case, the site that all the 'drama' started over yesterday: pornpros - the technique works perfectly for them, and i'd imagine 99% of sites out there.

At the end of the day, it doesn't sound like there's any pleasing you.
Seems you need to take the option number 1, and promote someone else.

For the others, they'll maximize their toolkits and their revenue.
There is pleasing me... I do maximize my "toolkit" and revenue.. perhaps you didn't read the thread fully.

Dennis69 04-30-2009 05:48 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 15806168)
So let me get this straight. The ones that spend all the money to produce the content, encode it, and provide it to their members AND their affiliates shouldn't put their name on it? Wow. All I gotta say.

I guess you didn't read the first post in this thread!!!!

spacedog 04-30-2009 05:50 PM
I don't give a shit about watermarks so long as it's for the same site I am promoting, however, annoys the fucking shit out of me when a program uses watermarks to something not even related to what's being promoted.. I seen one of pimprolls sites videos using watermarks to a massivedollars site..

Wildcash watermarks theirs with movieprofits urls and aebn videos have urls to a vast variety of paysites from many programs.. the list is long..

quantum-x 04-30-2009 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 15806186)
There is pleasing me... I do maximize my "toolkit" and revenue.. perhaps you didn't read the thread fully.
Yawn ..

Tempest 04-30-2009 05:59 PM
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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 15806200)
Yawn ..
Which is about the value of your contribution to this thread... :1orglaugh

Barefootsies 04-30-2009 06:04 PM
Sorry nig. Programs, and content owners need to stay in business for the long haul.

Branding and protecting content is part of it. This is long term planning. Not single minded vision for the 1 time PPS for some affiliate who may, or may not, promote you next month.

Their need, and desire to watermark their content supersedes the affiliates wish list IMHO.

:2 cents:

quantum-x 04-30-2009 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 15806215)
Which is about the value of your contribution to this thread... :1orglaugh
No, you're just tiresome. Getting fucked over by a sponsor? Move on.
Seriously..

After Shock Media 04-30-2009 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by d-null (Post 15805747)
you can't even begin to compare percentage cuts between digital "goods" and other finite products in the "real world".... one could even argue for the side that an affiliate with a surfer that is ready to buy could even command a higher "cut" than 50/50 :2 cents:
Holy crap, your trying to be serious arnt you?

Tempest 04-30-2009 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 15806228)
No, you're just tiresome. Getting fucked over by a sponsor? Move on.
Seriously..
Can you tell me what you run etc.. I'd like to fuck you over... let you know I'm doing while I'm doing it... watch you take it and move on...

Socks 04-30-2009 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by LadyMischief (Post 15806168)
So let me get this straight. The ones that spend all the money to produce the content, encode it, and provide it to their members AND their affiliates shouldn't put their name on it? Wow. All I gotta say.
You didn't read the thread. I'm sure it's a pattern!

$5 submissions 04-30-2009 06:29 PM
Lots of tempest and turbulence in this thread ;)

Tempest 04-30-2009 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by $5 submissions (Post 15806316)
Lots of tempest and turbulence in this thread ;)
Bingo... The nice thing about GFY is you can just let er loose every once and awhile..

SilentKnight 04-30-2009 06:46 PM
It's simple...

When you invest the massive time, effort and money it takes to create the content in the first place, you can put your name on it (or whoever you like).

But since we carry the lion's share of the financial responsibility to produce what we do, our name goes on the final product.

Sosa 04-30-2009 06:48 PM
If you don't like the watermarking, go buy all your own content like older affiliates had to back in the day.

MaDalton 04-30-2009 07:01 PM
i can imagine working something out with a longterm strong affiliate, but considering how fast some affililiates jump the boat just cause someone else is offering $5 more i can understand when site owners prefer to strenghten their own brand by putting watermarks on their content (besides the protection factor). and surely it makes more sense to concentrate on one brand (like the all access site) than on 20 different site names. but: of course it should be possible for the affililiate to promote that one site too and be credited for it

Steve Awesome 04-30-2009 07:24 PM
"know that the content they see on a gallery is NOT what they will necessarily get if they sign up to the site..."

And it seems by removing the watermark it would only do more to encourage that kind of unethical affiliate behavior. Why don't you just embed the video and provide clear and concise links to the partner's site both around the video and near the top of the page (near the address bar) AND make sure everything in your ad is above the fold. There are a lot of well documented information architure techniques that you can apply to make sure you get your referral $$$. Removing the watermark is not one of them.

EvilFubAr 05-01-2009 11:30 AM
Tempest, your thoughts on :https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/902953-program-crop-url-watermarks-videos.html

12clicks 05-01-2009 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Tempest (Post 15804852)
Putting your watermark on the videos and pictures has ZERO to do with protecting it. It's about "BRANDING".. that's a MARKETING term.. You want surfers to remember the name of the site and TYPE IT IN thus gaining the program sales they keep 100% to themselves. And when surfers see videos or pictures on a site that's advertising another site, they will type in the domain thus cutting out the affiliate. Anyone one that doesn't believe that is a moron.. Any program saying it doesn't happen or is "minimal" is a blatant liar. Surfers have been trained over the year to know that the content they see on a gallery is NOT what they will necessarily get if they sign up to the site... Knowing that, they're going to type in the domain to try and ensure they DO get that content because that's what they want and has triggered them to pull out the credit card. Seriously people. If it wasn't making programs more money than they're willing to say do you really think they would be so blatantly doing it more and more? I mean really.. Why do you think Brazzers has been so aggressive about doing it?

Here's the kicker.. In order to "protect" their content, programs could be embedding their copywrite into the videos themselves when they encode it.. VERY FEW do that.. THAT'S what's required to protect their property, NOT watermarking. Any program that isn't embedding the info in their videos is blatantly lying to you about why they're using branding watermarks.

So if you're an affiliate, stop being stupid and fucking yourself out of your sales.. Rip the FHGs to your own server and cut out the fucking watermark.. You WILL see an increase in your sales. And if you're smart, you'll use a template system on the galleries so that if the site goes away or the program starts to redirect it, you can make the changes yourself in just minutes. And if the program goes under, you've got all those galleries and content you can use to promote some other site. Get your head out of your ass.
he's an example of someone who should be dropped as an affiliate by any program he's signed up to. :thumbsup

12clicks 05-01-2009 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 15806362)
If you don't like the watermarking, go buy all your own content like older affiliates had to back in the day.
exactly :thumbsup

Roald 05-01-2009 11:46 AM
I don't get it, isn't all this pretty obvious and going on for years already?

Robbie 05-01-2009 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 15808884)
I don't get it, isn't all this pretty obvious and going on for years already?
So were x-sales but you didn't notice them until last year. :1orglaugh

Roald 05-01-2009 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 15808895)
So were x-sales but you didn't notice them until last year. :1orglaugh
you fail again Robbie, we didn't notice the hidden ones YOU don't seem to care about :2 cents:

iwantchixx 05-01-2009 12:14 PM
while i agree that a company has every right to brand their product, and it does have it's advantages for both programs and affiliates alike, I do have an issue when the damn watermark consumers way too much space on the content. Kinda hard to jerk my pud to WWW right over the best part of her thighs lol

Tempest 05-01-2009 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilFubAr (Post 15808822)
I think it's hillarious as it's someone yanking everyones chain by pointing out what's allready going on in this business on so many of the tubes out there. And in fact it's something that's been goling on for years and years now in just the regular TGP/MGP arena.. I see it all the time on gallery submissions and I usually forward info on those submitters on to the content/program owners I respect.

Reading comprehension really seems to be lacking with some people in this thread.. No where did I ever say to "steal" a programs content and no where have I said to use an ACTIVE programs content to sell something else. Good god people.

Trend 05-01-2009 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Shap (Post 15804892)
I think affiliates should think LONG and HARD before following your advice. Especially to take content and cut out the watermarks. Any affiliate that does that to our content will be immediately terminated and no longer be allowed to use our content.

We watermark our content however it's watermarked with the site you are promoting. Twistys content has a Twistys.com watermark and you promote Twistys.com. If the surfer types in twistys.com your id will be cookied and you'll get credit. You don't get screwed out of anything.

That being said it's very important for us to have our watermark on our videos and pictures. Our content is the highest quality and hottest content out there. Most surfers don't give a shit about looking at the embedded info. It is important to us that when they see our high quality content they see the Twistys logo. We want them to know that Twistys = HOT Babes and Smoking Hot Content!

Well said :thumbsup

12clicks 05-01-2009 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 15808982)
Kinda hard to jerk my pud to WWW right over the best part of her thighs lol
a keen business mind would call that "pushing them to buy a membership"

Shap 05-01-2009 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 15806362)
If you don't like the watermarking, go buy all your own content like older affiliates had to back in the day.
well said

Barefootsies 05-01-2009 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Sosa (Post 15806362)
If you don't like the watermarking, go buy all your own content like older affiliates had to back in the day.
:2 cents:

Robbie 05-01-2009 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 15808900)
you fail again Robbie, we didn't notice the hidden ones YOU don't seem to care about :2 cents:
I don't fail Roald...I didn't know about x-sells either until a couple of years ago. My point is you were promoting the stuff all along just like I was. So YOU fail. Smartass. :)

Vexes 05-01-2009 01:42 PM
Why don't you produce your own content and paysite then sport.

Without someone those companies who build the affiliate
pay sites you would have no where to monetize your traffic.

This industry was headed to ruin when the war for affiliate traffic prompted
affiliates program to do everything but wipe the ass of any moron with an
internet connection who claims they are a porn webmaster.

Same with all the parties and conventions, giving away more and content.

fuzebox 05-01-2009 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by quantum-x (Post 15805941)
#3 - You embed an image in your page that sets a cookie for bangbros.com
That way, if the surfer types in bangbros.com - your cookie is magically there.
There's no secret to this - I *always* did this when promoting galleries to prevent leaks
Some people would call this cookie stuffing :winkwink:

BV 05-01-2009 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by iwantchixx (Post 15808982)
while i agree that a company has every right to brand their product, and it does have it's advantages for both programs and affiliates alike, I do have an issue when the damn watermark consumers way too much space on the content. Kinda hard to jerk my pud to WWW right over the best part of her thighs lol
that's the whole idea, make it hard to jerk off to so they buy a membership

bdld 05-01-2009 02:18 PM
how do sponsors feel about "cookie stuffing"?

d-null 05-01-2009 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by fuzebox (Post 15809298)
Some people would call this cookie stuffing :winkwink:
as long as the page that is referring that cookie-stuff is also promoting that site, I can't see why there would be any problem with it?

on the other hand, if an affiliate tries to do that on their main page or stuff multiple cookies of other programs that are not the focus of the specific page, that wouldn't be cool

Roald 05-02-2009 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 15809208)
I don't fail Roald...I didn't know about x-sells either until a couple of years ago. My point is you were promoting the stuff all along just like I was. So YOU fail. Smartass. :)
yes we did, we cleaned up the biggest offenders though. What did you do? Oh wait defend them yes ;)

No idea why we have this convo in this thread and why you had to start it though. you fail sir!

Robbie 05-02-2009 01:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 15810775)
yes we did, we cleaned up the biggest offenders though. What did you do? Oh wait defend them yes ;)

No idea why we have this convo in this thread and why you had to start it though. you fail sir!
Goddamn you are so far off base. The point I TRIED to make to you was that the x-sells were there all along. For many years. And that they were not the worst thing ever done. I said over and over that I still consider the dialer that was used that took millions of dollars from people to be the worst scam of all times. And I think that exposing our business to surfers is a huge mistake. Things should be handled in private. If you call that defending them then so be it. At least I didn't take money from some of them to keep their links up and use the x-sells as the extortion tool. And I didn't act "holier than thou" about it either. I was 100% correct when I said you and every other webmaster raising hell about it had unknowingly been promoting it for years and years. Just like we all foolishly promoted geo redirects and didn't realize it and just like we all fought with programs over the million pop ups back in the day that would shut down a computer and just like the .exe installs that were downloaded on people.
But no Roald, you're so intelligent that you have decided all of that was nothing compared to a x-sell. Okay. Whatever.

Roald 05-02-2009 01:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 15810780)
Goddamn you are so far off base. The point I TRIED to make to you was that the x-sells were there all along. For many years. And that they were not the worst thing ever done. I said over and over that I still consider the dialer that was used that took millions of dollars from people to be the worst scam of all times. And I think that exposing our business to surfers is a huge mistake. Things should be handled in private. If you call that defending them then so be it. At least I didn't take money from some of them to keep their links up and use the x-sells as the extortion tool. And I didn't act "holier than thou" about it either. I was 100% correct when I said you and every other webmaster raising hell about it had unknowingly been promoting it for years and years. Just like we all foolishly promoted geo redirects and didn't realize it and just like we all fought with programs over the million pop ups back in the day that would shut down a computer and just like the .exe installs that were downloaded on people.
But no Roald, you're so intelligent that you have decided all of that was nothing compared to a x-sell. Okay. Whatever.
ok final word on this as I don't want to waste this thread with this crap again. I know about xsales beeing here for years. I did not know until last year about the hidden ones. Hidden as in you don't see them on the join page. Geez :2 cents:

Robbie 05-02-2009 01:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 15810787)
ok final word on this as I don't want to waste this thread with this crap again. I know about xsales beeing here for years. I did not know until last year about the hidden ones. Hidden as in you don't see them on the join page. Geez :2 cents:
And I think hidden ones are bullshit too. Basically stealing. And so were all those other things that I listed as well...only they stole a lot more. That was my only point in those old debates, but of course since it's GFY everything is always out of context. I just don't appreciate your attitude and insinuations about me. I've busted my ass in this business for a long time, and I can ignore people running their mouths that don't mean shit. But when you insinuate that I'm somehow a bad guy...I have a problem with that. You aren't one of these clowns on here trying to start trouble with everyone. So for you to think or insinuate that I am somehow a bad guy really bothers me. If I'm "shady" as you are asserting then why do business with me? Take my shit down if you don't like me or think I'm "bad" in some way. I'd rather shake hands and call it a misunderstanding. But either way is fine with me.

Roald 05-02-2009 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 15810789)
And I think hidden ones are bullshit too. Basically stealing. And so were all those other things that I listed as well...only they stole a lot more. That was my only point in those old debates, but of course since it's GFY everything is always out of context. I just don't appreciate your attitude and insinuations about me. I've busted my ass in this business for a long time, and I can ignore people running their mouths that don't mean shit. But when you insinuate that I'm somehow a bad guy...I have a problem with that. You aren't one of these clowns on here trying to start trouble with everyone. So for you to think or insinuate that I am somehow a bad guy really bothers me. If I'm "shady" as you are asserting then why do business with me? Take my shit down if you don't like me or think I'm "bad" in some way. I'd rather shake hands and call it a misunderstanding. But either way is fine with me.
Take your shit down and give up our top 10 spot on your program? Hell no, I don't think it is a good thing to have a board argument like this ruin a perfectly good business relationship.

Robbie 05-02-2009 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 15810797)
Take your shit down and give up our top 10 spot on your program? Hell no, I don't think it is a good thing to have a board argument like this ruin a perfectly good business relationship.
I don't either. But damn it...I don't like working with people who don't at the very least respect my experiences and ideas. Whenever you post anything in reply to me, it's always with disdain. I don't like it, and I take it rather personal. I know I wouldn't do that to someone like you. So it bewilders me that you would do it to me.

Roald 05-02-2009 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Robbie (Post 15810799)
I don't either. But damn it...I don't like working with people who don't at the very least respect my experiences and ideas. Whenever you post anything in reply to me, it's always with disdain. I don't like it, and I take it rather personal. I know I wouldn't do that to someone like you. So it bewilders me that you would do it to me.
You want a hug to make up now? That's going a bit too far Robbie ;)))

Robbie 05-02-2009 01:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Roald (Post 15810801)
You want a hug to make up now? That's going a bit too far Robbie ;)))
Eh, you're right. I'm overreacting. I'll take a hug and a handshake in L.A. :)

onlymovies 05-02-2009 02:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Socks (Post 15805068)
Some bigger programs even make it worse, by making their "portal" site not available for promotion by affiliates. BangBros.com for example isn't on the list of available linkcodes, yet all bangbros content for ALL sites has the BangBros.com watermark.

That means that even when people type "Bang Bros" into Google, it won't go to an affiliate. That's the double edged sword that this is.

I just reviewed the HomeMadeCash sites from NS Cash, and they all have their main "Homevideo Pass" or whatever the site was called watermark.

I've even seen programs going back and RE-WATERMARKING all their content for this very purpose.

Just an fyi Socks....the "portal site" (Homemade Video Pass) within Homemade Cash, IS A PART of the program and promoted by many many affiliates on it's own. :winkwink:

gideongallery 05-02-2009 05:40 AM
the only thing i agree with in the original post is that program owners who mislead their affiliates by claiming they are doing it to "protect" their content.

Quite simply affiliate programs should come out and make the admission they are doing in this thread within their aff. program. They should clearly state that are branding with a watermark to make extra sales.


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